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  1. #121
    I'm not from USA, but all I see here is being shocked that government is corrupt?

    I mean...whoever thinks someone up there (that has been there for a longer time, not just started) is not corrupted is simply delusional.

    Everyone is corrupt. Why? Because when the game itself is corrupt and the rules cater to those who "cheat"....it is only natural for the players to be(come) corrupt.

    Humans. It's almost an unwritten rule, lol.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Grishnaar View Post
    I'm not from USA, but all I see here is being shocked that government is corrupt?

    I mean...whoever thinks someone up there (that has been there for a longer time, not just started) is not corrupted is simply delusional.

    Everyone is corrupt. Why? Because when the game itself is corrupt and the rules cater to those who "cheat"....it is only natural for the players to be(come) corrupt.

    Humans. It's almost an unwritten rule, lol.
    It wasn't always that way.

    We once fought in a world war because it was the right thing to do. That sense of right and wrong carried over to domestic policies. It's only since Reagan that things began changing for the worse and what used to be thoughts for your fellow man, became "I got mine. I don't care if you got yours."

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathreim View Post
    This country survived far worse than Trump. Punishing corruption at the ballet box is the only way to stop it.
    So you are voting third party then and neither of the two main parties?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiricine View Post
    Stakes are high for Hillary, this may be the first election where a major candidate was running with the intention of prosecuting their competition if they won, and not to mention actually have several legitimate cases against them. Of course, it would behoove you to believe that Hillary will lie about anything on the way there to avoid jail time.
    Yup that's what authoritarian dictators do. Use the system to go after political opponents. But I do have to ask, why do you think Trump modelling himself on Recep Erdogan of Turkey is a good thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizendragon View Post
    Because Republicans aren't the enemy. The establishment is. Those that would vote red/blue no matter the candidate are the 100% biggest issue with America. I am not affiliated with any party. We either need a (figurative) bomb to drop on the 2 major parties or a complete revamp of our party system. This is the first time in a very long time that it's doubtful that someone will reach 270 imo. Stein and the Green party will gain a ton of traction if Clinton is nominated and Sanders stands down.
    The problem with this argument is we know from history what the most frequent outcome is when current political systems crash and are replaced, and it is unremittingly BAD. Revolutions, wars, dictators, theocracies, nation state failure, you name it, this is what you get on the crash of political systems.

    But I'm sure it will be different this time......
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by fengosa View Post
    A person changing their opinion on a controversial subject is not that strange. What was Trumps stance on abortion 10 years ago?
    Just like she supported the TPP and suddenly didn't and then after being elected will suddenly support it again?

    Apparently her VP pick supports it from what I've heard.

    Seriously stop acting like they really changed their opinions rather than saying what they felt they needed to at the time.

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    we can't vote for a third party candidate, cause if we do that the other side will win !

    Someone being a 3rd party candidate doesn't magically make them palatable to everyone.

    If a statistically significant amount of people of a particular political leaning vote for a secondary candidate who has no chance of actually winning the election it will negatively impact the actual nominee. It's just reality.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Silhouette55 View Post
    Why bother with this thread? Delusional leftists like Didactic are used to brushing off mass corruption as "unimportant".
    Problem here though, is that both sides are just as bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiona View Post
    Then why vote for her? Boogeyman Trump is too scary for you all?
    >One candidate is shit, so lets vote for the nutcase!


    'Murican logic.

  8. #128
    Her campaign is really going down hill fast. A month ago, I woulda said she had this wrapped up, now her path is harder....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    If you think Trump is a remotely acceptable candidate you know absolutely nothing about American politics.
    What exactly does knowing American politics have to do with thinking a candidate is acceptable?

    Clearly you think Clinton is an acceptable candidate for "strategic voting," so what? You have accepted that her lying and corruption is just playing the game to win?

    There is nothing objectively correct or wrong about voting for any candidate. You can disagree with someone, but to try and root that in something more meaningful is fruitless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    Sanders has already stood down.

    No where in that video did Sanders say he was standing down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    One of the principle reasons why Bernie's supporters are by and large younger middle class white men - i.e. sufficiently insulated from the GOP's regressive social outlook.


    You want to try again with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    The problem with this argument is we know from history what the most frequent outcome is when current political systems crash and are replaced, and it is unremittingly BAD. Revolutions, wars, dictators, theocracies, nation state failure, you name it, this is what you get on the crash of political systems.

    But I'm sure it will be different this time......
    Except the US political system used to have viable 3rd party candidates. The major parties have changed several times over the 250 years this country has been in existence. It's only in the last 100 years that the Democrat and Republican parties have been the only viable options.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Rizendragon View Post

    Except the US political system used to have viable 3rd party candidates. The major parties have changed several times over the 250 years this country has been in existence. It's only in the last 100 years that the Democrat and Republican parties have been the only viable options.
    Which is irrelevant to what I said. Crash a political system = bad outcome.
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

  12. #132
    Unfortunately thats how politics work. Do you think all this money is being thrown around for free? The Democrats do it, the Republicans do it, all of our major parties here in Canada do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    Which is irrelevant to what I said. Crash a political system = bad outcome.
    I didn't say crash the political system in the post you quoted anyways. I said crash the RNC and DNC. Very different.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    How old are you guys, anyway?

    I ask because this is the same shit that comes out every election, about every candidate. Either before or after the election, or after some "investigation". Yet every time I see individuals acting as if it's the first time they've ever heard of it, and that it's unique to one candidate or the other.
    I dare say the last time something of this level occurred was Nixon.

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    Didactic do you work for a media outlet? I swear you are doing more damage control in this thread than CNN has been on their network.
    I may not agree with what you say but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it.

  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Anevers View Post
    Sorta. Voting for Trump is like shooting yourself in the foot.
    Voting for either person is like shooting yourself in the foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    It's meaningful in the sense that it's useful to scare people into voting for foolish austerity measures. Debt isn't the same for countries as it is for you and I on a credit card; nor is the current debt 'crippling' considering it's barely at the level of 100% GDP per annum.

    The past two economic cycles where the Democrats managed to bail out Republican mismanagement is demonstrative enough.
    except the last economic crisis was caused by the democrates and their "everybody gets a house no matter their credit rating or income" policy called the community reinvestment act.
    you can't make this shit up
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    Third-wave feminism or Choice feminism is actually extremely egalitarian
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    I hate America
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    I don't read/watch any of these but to rank them:Actual news agency (mostly factual):CNN MSNBC NPR

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Oktoberfest View Post
    I fucking swear. Hillary Clinton could pull out a sword and hack to death a dozen kids right on live TV and most of her supporters would still fucking vote for her.
    Those kids were potential GOP voters.

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Demona3 View Post
    Voting for either person is like shooting yourself in the foot.
    Nah, hilary is a socially progressive (as far as popular opinion) republican, corrupt, but nothing nightmarish has turned up, which is surprising considering just how much the GOP has spent trying to pull out her skeletons. Either they aint trying, or she's just a regular corrupt politician.

    Trump is a hatemongering dumpster fire, an absurd narcissist. There is nothing in his history that indicates he's competent to do anything except tip everything into a nosedive and flap is face while everything burns.

    If someone can explain why voting for trump makes logical sense I'll change my mind, but the arguments gotta be better than the basic one liners he uses "he's anti establishment"

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    It's called 'strategic voting'.
    I'd vote for Mickey Mouse over giving the Republicans control of the White House.
    That's some middle school level vindictive shit right there.
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