2016 Democratic National Convention - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - July 25-28

[Hobotripin]

I'm biased... Am a Russian immigrant... To me, a joke about asking a former KGB employee to spy on US... Well... That's fucked up dude...

He didn't ask them to spy on the US, he said if they had the emails they they should release them so the american people can see them and hes sure "the media would reward them greatly"

[Bushtuckrman]

Gotta love it that when even Republicans have been talking about how well the DNC was, you have the insane Trumpettes denying reality.

God no the constant booing throughout. The big walkout that happened yesterday and this the shit they pull for today...

The media was jumping over every tiny ant hill from the RNC convention, they had the Melania thing ongoing for a full week over a few similar lines from a 10 minute speech. The media desperately tried to show the republicans are divided. Meanwhile the DNC is obviously very divided and the msm barely touches on it while trying to say it was great. Behind the scenes it has been nothing but a shitshow.

[Hobotripin]

The nuclear codes are kept by US Strategic Command. The only thing the President has regular access to is a card kept on his person that is rotated regularly.

It's not like Obama is going to hand Hillary a key to a safe he bought at OfficeMax.

I know I'm just saying both sides can spread propaganda, I highly doubt even if trump did give a command(i don't think he would) to use the nukes that people would actually listen. The only time we would use a nuke is if someone used them on us.

[Felya]

He didn't ask them to spy on the US, he said if they had the emails they they should release them so the american people can see them and hes sure "the media would reward them greatly"

Yeah, that's not asking to spy at all. If you have 50 bucks, just send it to me. I'm not asking you to make me 50$, just send it to me. Cool?

[Hobotripin]

Yeah, that's not asking to spy at all. If you have 50 bucks, just send it to me. I'm not asking you to make me 50$, just send it to me. Cool?

What? He didn't ask the russians to give him the e-mails he asked them if they had them to release them not give it to him personally your analogy is horrible.

[KrazyK923]

God no the constant booing throughout. The big walkout that happened yesterday and this the shit they pull for today...

The media was jumping over every tiny ant hill from the RNC convention, they had the Melania thing ongoing for a full week over a few similar lines from a 10 minute speech. The media desperately tried to show the republicans are divided. Meanwhile the DNC is obviously very divided and the msm barely touches on it while trying to say it was great. Behind the scenes it has been nothing but a shitshow.

Yes thank you, we've seen this highly spurious video multiple times already that proves literally nothing.

Also you're once again either lying or ignorant, because the media was covering the Bernie or Bust retards all week long.

[Blur4stuff]

If you can't keep your emails private, then you shouldn't control nuclear codes. You can spin it on her too.

competence levels of Clinton and Trump aren't remotely close. everything that Clinton has done that I don't like pales in comparison to the train wreck that is Trump.

If I have to choose between the two for who should control nukes I'd have to want the world to end to choose Trump.

[Deleted]

competence levels of Clinton and Trump aren't remotely close. everything that Clinton has done that I don't like pales in comparison to the train wreck that is Trump.

If I have to choose between the two for who should control nukes I'd have to want the world to end to choose Trump.

Well Hillary did sold 20% of US uranium market to Russia aka Putin. I'm sure she wouldn't push the nuclear button even if Putin is at the White House beating Bill and the Russia Army standing on the front lawn.

I still don't understand how people after years and year of the Clinton's can still stand them. They literally stole from the poor in Haiti or deforested rain forest in Colombia all for money. And they contine to take foreign money from dicators that DO NOT care about the well being of US.

She's bought dude, she doesn't represent you she just lies to you while taking money from anyone else.

[Matchles]

competence levels of Clinton and Trump aren't remotely close. everything that Clinton has done that I don't like pales in comparison to the train wreck that is Trump.

If I have to choose between the two for who should control nukes I'd have to want the world to end to choose Trump.

I know I've linked this a few times, but I love conservative writer P.J. O'Rourke's endorsement of Clinton.

"I have a little announcement to make ... I'm voting for Hillary. I am endorsing Hillary,"

"I am endorsing Hillary, and all her lies and all her empty promises," O'Rourke continued. "It's the second-worst thing that can happen to this country, but she's way behind in second place. She's wrong about absolutely everything, but she's wrong within normal parameters."

"This man just can't be president," O'Rourke said, alluding to the nuclear codes the commander-in-chief takes control of upon assuming office. "They've got this button — this briefcase. He's going to find it."

[Hobotripin]

I thought what Rep. Tom Cole said was pretty interesting. "it’s pretty amazing to me we’re worried about what Donald Trump says instead of what Hillary Clinton did.”

[Deleted]

I know I've linked this a few times, but I love conservative writer P.J. O'Rourke's endorsement of Clinton.

He endoreses her because they still think they can somehow do a funraiser and get enough money to buy Hillary up for USA this time, instead for foreign powers. Tho I think he's delusional, she's already and will be on the take from foreign countries.

[Skroe]

I know I'm just saying both sides can spread propaganda, I highly doubt even if trump did give a command(i don't think he would) to use the nukes that people would actually listen. The only time we would use a nuke is if someone used them on us.

The chain of command would absolutely be followed. It is designed and drilled to be done so that there is no hesitation once the order is given. I don't think you fully appreciate the kind of catastrophe the above situation you describe would create.

And Trump's relationship with Russia is not propaganda. It's fact. As is his asking for Russian interference in our democratic process.

[Deleted]

And Trump's relationship with Russia is not propaganda. It's fact. As is his asking for Russian interference in our democratic process.

Like Obama did with Dmitry Medvedev before he's relection?

[Skroe]

I thought what Rep. Tom Cole said was pretty interesting. "it’s pretty amazing to me we’re worried about what Donald Trump says instead of what Hillary Clinton did.”

Because nothing... nothing in any email anywhere - in Hillary's server or the DNC - matters more than one of the two people who will be the next leader of the free world asking Russia of all countries, a dictatorship run by Vladmir Putin as his personal property, to interfere in our election.

It is unprecedented and beyond explanation, retraction or understanding. Donald Trump has officially asked an enemy of America to help him out against his rival. He made it not about Clinton. he made it about protecting American democracy against a foreign power that has, as a matter of fact, been interfering with elections across Europe for the past decade.

Let me be clear. There could be Hillary Clinton taking a bribe from a businessman in those emails, and it would be less significant than what Donald Trump did Wednesday, end of story. The former is corruption, but corruption we know and are familiar with and corruption that voters have punished before and punished again. The latter, what Donald Trump did, is a national security threat.

You wonder why it's amazing? You shouldn't. To us in the reality based community who will not sacrifice American democratic ideals just to beat Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump's recent actions categorically disqualify him from becoming President. There must not be an American President who seeks foreign aid, from Russia no less, in order to defeat his political opponent, no matter the party.

Defeating Donald Trump isn't a liberal imperative anymore. It isn't a conservative imperative. It's an American imperative. And you are either, at this date, either with that effort to defend American democracy from Vladmir Putin's depredations or you his useful idiot.

[Moggie]

I want her sincerely to be the Hillary from that speech, the question is, will she be?

It is a little beggering of belief about the Wall Street deal, and really I don't want an Obama third term, Obama was to me a lackluster president.

Everything he did for Wall-Street and the big banks was an insult to the coalition that elected him. If Hillary is the person of those speeches, who deserves that coalition and more she has to be the president people WANTED Obama to be before he let his coalition down and cost his part in 2010.

If Hillary is to be president I want her to be the Hillary from that speech, who while wooden and kinda stiff did say the policies that absolutely need to be happening and recognized that it was Sanders and his voters that made her see the importance of them.

A lot of Obamas problems stem from the lack of movement within the House and Senate, simply unwilling to do anything, shut down the government, walk out on meetings with him and overall be as useless as possible while being 100% unwilling to walk across the divide. It's easy to blame him for everything, but really, a President is only able to get so much done. He's definitely not perfect mind you, but he didn't have much to work with since even before his presidency began. Oh, and his EO numbers are lower than every president in the past minus Bush Sr (one term) and Ford (2 1/2 years) yet major changes under his presidency even though I keep reading how republicans claim he abuses his powers (hilarious in itself imo).

Clinton, has her own set of issues but, I've never seen her fail the people she serves, though. Did great work in Arkansas, where my family lived for a couple years during Bill's Governorship. Tried to be a bit too much like a politician while first lady. She was a pretty kickass Senator for New York. Her Secretaryship was marred, but only because people needed a target. Same situations have happened to other Secretaries of State, but it's easy to single her out just because. Yeah, she did wrong with her email. But, so did Powell who used an AOL account and probably the biggest B**ch, Condoleezza. Charge those and others in the same position of power from the past, set a precedence and sure, those stupid RNC attendees shouting 'Lock Her Up" can have their way...totally going to happen!

So yeah, she's definitely a politician. Has her own problems with lots of gray areas due to not wanting to dredge up the past administration. I disliked her listing off everything she wants to do, since most of that stuff requires a willing House and Senate. And though she wants to overturn Citizens United (luckily didn't promise it or the likes), it still requires like 38 states to support it or like, 2/3rd majority from House and Senate. So not possible. They can't even pass sensible gun laws all these mass murders, not likely to support a bill like that. And she also missed a HUGE (imo) opportunity about the House and Senate and advocating they need their party to be the majority to get anything done.

At least this convention wasn't an audition for a Mussolini regime. =P

[Skroe]

Like Obama did with Dmitry Medvedev before he's relection?

Russia isn't a real democracy. Dmitry Medvedev became President because Vladmir Putin allowed him to be to get around term limits while the constitution was rewritten to allow Vladmir Putin to return to the office.

When Putin was Prime Minister, most of the President's portfolio moved with him. And when he became President again, he moved back.

Don't compare our very real democracy to Russia's fake one that Putin, with Medvedev at his side, has spent the past 16 years methodically demolishing.

[Deleted]

Russia isn't a real democracy. Dmitry Medvedev became President because Vladmir Putin allowed him to be to get around term limits while the constitution was rewritten to allow Vladmir Putin to return to the office.

When Putin was Prime Minister, most of the President's portfolio moved with him. And when he became President again, he moved back.

Don't compare our very real democracy to Russia's fake one that Putin, with Medvedev at his side, has spent the past 16 years methodically demolishing.

No, no you missunderstood. Obama asked Dimitry for more space for him so Obama can get reelected.

But in an unscripted moment picked up by camera crews, the American president was more blunt: "Let me get reelected first, he said; then I’ll have a better chance of making something happen."

[Skroe]

No, no you missunderstood. Obama asked Dimitry for more space for him so Obama can get reelected.

Liar! And you know it!

That quote was in reference to mutual nuclear disarmament, missile defense and following up NewSTART. I remember, because I remember when it came out. It is about a topic I'm interested it. That is a legitimate diplomatic request for negotiating breathing room. Russia wanted to cut more because it can't afford it's arsenal, but Obama could get Congress to go no further (and in succeeding years he didn't try, and Putin didn't either).

Nice. Fucking. Try. But don't ever try to pull one over on me. There is a world of difference between Obama asking for political breathing room to pursue a policy and Trump asking for a foreign electoral intervention, which by the way, would be highly illegal and classified under the US Cyberwarfare ranking system as the second highest kind of attack.

[Deleted]

Liar! And you know it!

Yeah right, nice bias man. When Obama get's cozy with Russia, that never happend! When Trump trolls on twitter saying Russia should leak more emails because Hillary is crooked and she deliebratly exposed clasifed info, he's bad. Remind me again, who generated all this situations? Ah democrats!

[Wells]

No, no you missunderstood. Obama asked Dimitry for more space for him so Obama can get reelected.

That's not even vaguely the same as what's been happening with Trump. Asking another head of state to give you time to focus on something else is miles apart from encouraging what can in some cases be construed as an act of war.