FINAL DAY to get windows 10 for free

[Deleted]

I didn;t move to win 10 when it came out because I thought it was prematurely released (and I was right). But it;s Okay now. Just do a Custom upgrade/install and then it lets you turn off most of the privacy-invading crap from the get go, so you don;t have to hunt it down later.

It's amazing, though, how many people will have Win10 reporting so much stuff to Microsoft because they don't know about it, as the upgrader/installer sure as hell doesn;t warn you.

General impressions, is that it's Okay. Seems a bit snappier than Win 7 but hard to tell because I run it from an SSD so everything is fast anyway.

My main reason for going to 10 was simply that Microsoft will pull suport from pre-10 versions eventually, particularly when it comes ot stuff like DirectX for games, and security patches. And you can be sure that hardware manufacturers will stop doing Win7 drivers etc, not least because most of th einertia for older Windows versions is business ones where it's a pain in the ass to upgrade hundreds or thousand sof legacy PC's and retrain their users (a major problem with Win8 with it's flakey front end)

Th emost annoying thing so far has been Edge, which has no way to control where it caches stuff. I just installed Firefox instead, which doe slet you. I use the internet a lot and I don;t want Edge eating up write cycles on my SSD. I just told Firefox to cache on an old HDD I have on my PC for such purposes.

[Lathais]

There is literally a Get Office and Get Skype button from what I remember. Not even intrusive for that matter and can easily be disabled. The app that gives you tips called "Get Started" can also easily be disabled. Feel free to take off the tin foil hat. You've already shown that you don't know much of what you're talking about. Sounds like you haven't even used Windows 10. You're just spewing the same bullshit that you find on biased websites.

I've personally never seen any of the shit they are talking about. At all.

[FuxieDK]

Once you upgrade, you will not really even notice a difference, except that W10 is faster, and more responsive.

Depends on what you mean by faster..

Time from I press Power On button to Windows is loaded and all startup programs are ready, have gone up from 2 minutes (Win 7) to 5 minutes (Win 10).. In my book, that's not faster..
Printing a picture on my Color Laser printer have gone from 20 seconds to 3-4 minutes (same file).. In my book, that's not faster..

[Lathais]

Don't need to. Even the 1:1 3.1 title bars are perfectly usable at that size on a modern screen. Current Windows bloating them up to double or triple their size serves no purpose other than to waste screen real estate or cater to touch devices. Thankfully regular users can just change a few registry keys by running regedt32. (after pinning the Run command to the Start menu first of course)

I don't get why you need to pin Run to the start menu, just press the Windows Key then type Regedit32 and press enter, bam, it opens up like magic! Same thing with Calc, or Control Panel or anything really.

[Deleted]

Did you do the upgrade? Then chances are Windows 10 pulled a whole bunch of older crap from Win7 with it. For start, try updating all your drivers and software versions, particularly if there are 10 specific versions of them available. If 10 is running older stuff in compatibility modes they will be slower. Also check your startup to see what is pulling down the startup times.

An image taking more that ten times longer to print is just plain weird, because it's basically a proces sof dumping the data to the printer whose onboard processor does a lot of the work.

I'd for sure check the drivers to see if there are updated ones. I;d assume it;s USB?

Or is the longer time taken up by the application software taking longer to assemble the print file?

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I don't get why you need to pin Run to the start menu, just press the Windows Key then type Regedit32 and press enter, bam, it opens up like magic! Same thing with Calc, or Control Panel or anything really.

Yes, Win10 is like Win8 in that it is part of the design to be able to open up anything via that method.

[Rixis]

I don't get why you need to pin Run to the start menu, just press the Windows Key then type Regedit32 and press enter, bam, it opens up like magic! Same thing with Calc, or Control Panel or anything really.

Or hold the Windows key and press R (to open the run menu), just in case you need run for anything else.

[Lathais]

For an "objectively superior" OS it sure does seem to be pretty widely hated. Funny how Windows 7 still maintains by far the largest market share followed by XP even after a year of Microsoft begging and doing every underhanded thing they could think of to force Windows 10 on everyone. When you can't even give your OS away you have some serious problems you need to address. Instead they just keep making things worse instead of listening to their customers' complaints. Microsoft needs new management plain and simple.

Nearly every new version of Windows seems universally hated when it first comes out if you believe the forums and all the problems you read about. This is normal. The happy customers don't say anything. The people that have issues complain and then more and more people whi just hate change regurgitate and exaggerate the problems. That's all it is. For every 1 complaint you see though, there are 100 more people happily using it without problems.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

For an "objectively superior" OS it sure does seem to be pretty widely hated. Funny how Windows 7 still maintains by far the largest market share followed by XP even after a year of Microsoft begging and doing every underhanded thing they could think of to force Windows 10 on everyone. When you can't even give your OS away you have some serious problems you need to address. Instead they just keep making things worse instead of listening to their customers' complaints. Microsoft needs new management plain and simple.

Not amongst steam users it isn't.

Windows 10 has has only 5.5% market share less than Windows 7 64 bit, Windows 8.1 64 bit. Windows 7, Windows XP 32 bit, Windows 8 64 bit, Windows 8.1, Windows Vista 32 bit, Windows 8 and Windows Vista 64 bit added together.

If you only look at the most used non-Win10 OS then (7 x64, 8.1 x6, 8 x64) they add up to 3% less market share than Windows 10 x64.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

In a couple of days, it'll be skewed even more in favour of Windows 10, which gained 3.41% market share in June 2016.

So no, Windows 10 isn't a failure in terms of market share, and it doesn't seem to be widely hated, because you can go back to your Windows 7 or 8.1 for 30 days after upgrading.

[Deleted]

like ive said i wont upgrade to windows 10 until windows 7 is no longer supported for blizzard games, and to that guy about cpu's you dnt need windows 10 alone for the latest cpu's,

[sarym13]

I prefer 7. Been with 7 on this PC since I built it in 2011.

I'll likely move to 10 when i build my next PC. Which should be this or next year. And I'll just keep this PC as my porn / Windows tinfoil super secret work PC.

[Lathais]

I prefer 7. Been with 7 on this PC since I built it in 2011.

I'll likely move to 10 when i build my next PC. Which should be this or next year. And I'll just keep this PC as my porn / Windows tinfoil super secret work PC.

So you'd rather pay for W10 at your next upgrade than just get it for free now? This baffles me.

[bocephus]

I didn't hate 7 when it came out, I liked it even better than XP which is my second favorite of the Windows OS. I am very suspicious of ANYTHING that is being pushed as hard as Win 10 is. Aside from that, and someone correct me if there is a way to change this, I HATE the way Win 10 is basically laid out like a tablet OS or touchscreen OS. I have spent years becoming accustomed to AND liking the way Windows XP and then 7 operates (I skipped all the short lived ones because I do not like change and rarely buy or change to anything that is first release, from software to cars, I want a few years of troubleshooting to let others work the bugs out). Bottom line is why change something that works really well already? Money of course, it was rhetorical, but if there are any logical answers I am open to hearing them. I am upgrading to 10 on an older system but keeping 7 for as long as I can on my main system. I will just pay for the upgrade when I have to. Of course by then there will be an even NEWER version out... Cheers.

[Kon01]

So you'd rather pay for W10 at your next upgrade than just get it for free now? This baffles me.

What baffles me is people jumping to something just because is free.

[Soisoisoi]

What baffles me is people jumping to something just because is free.

What baffles me is people NOT jumping to something that is clearly better, that is also free.

[Deleted]

What baffles me is people NOT jumping to something that is clearly better, that is also free.

its not that much better most people are only getting it for a little FPS boost in games and DX12 and games arent even gonna have DX12 for years. yeah u get some fast boot times and use less resources but ou can do that on windows 7 with tweaking

[Vash The Stampede]

What baffles me is people NOT jumping to something that is clearly better, that is also free.

For one, it's more headaches you don't need. Who needs to deal with software compatibility and drivers? If you use Windows Media Center, that's gone. I believe even Windows Movie Maker is gone, though you can still download it. DX12 is a compelling option, but if you're an Nvidia Maxwell owner, there's no reason to look forward to DX12. Most games it just lowers FPS. Vulkan doesn't care what version of Windows you use.

[Deleted]

For one, it's more headaches you don't need. Who needs to deal with software compatibility and drivers? If you use Windows Media Center, that's gone. I believe even Windows Movie Maker is gone, though you can still download it. DX12 is a compelling option, but if you're an Nvidia Maxwell owner, there's no reason to look forward to DX12. Most games it just lowers FPS. Vulkan doesn't care what version of Windows you use.

most windows 10 users are just overhyped for DX12 and there gonna be disappointed and not notice anything just like i said earlier ppl didnt notice much of a difference between dx9 and 11, if windows is MS last operating system which i read somwhere i think windows 7 will be supported almost my lifetime on blizzard games, even if blizzard put DX12 in wow you still dnt need windows 10 to play wow cos it will be part of the drop down menu with dx9 and 11, the reason wow is so popular is cos people with crappy pc's can play it. you dnt need a gtx titan SLI water cooled pc with 32gb ram to play wow, the only reason older versions of windows are not supported by blizzard is cos they are old and outdated whereas if windows 10 is the last windows 7 will be supported for decades.if i have to get windows 10 for blizzard games i will but i dnt think blizzard will stop support for windows 7 as alot of people still use it alot more than 8,8.1 and 10, cos its actually a solid OS and should always be supported

[Evildeffy]

I am not going to go into rabid discussion with some of you but here are some facts that I need to state:

Windows 7 still has full support for the same amount of updates you had when it launched and it will have this support til April 2020.
It is not "X updates only" etc. etc. it is full updates of all software like before.

Windows 10 is no doubt a good OS .. but that said even if all known telemetry options are disabled it still "phones home" 2583 times over a 30 hour period on a clean install, source for this is here: Windows 10 Enterprise still phoning home after disabling all telemetry
There will be an update released "this year" according to Microsoft to allow to fully disable this but no time frame etc.
So it's a guess WHEN it'll be exactly but the fact of the matter is that the article is indeed correct.

Windows 7 offers DX11, Mantle, Vulkan and all the same support that Windows 10 does BARRING DirectX 12.
Fair enough... DX12 does offer some noteworthy improvements in games, that said there are limitations.
There was the borderless Windowed issue mode discussed earlier, which will be fixed .... whenever since it was first actually intended as such.
Drivers are a notorious pain in the ass to disable updates for, in every single W10 install I've had I had to regedit to get it disabled because the official way ignored anything I set immediately and updated whatever it wanted in drivers, very recently it even updated and caused several Z170 BSODs because it had updated the Intel Rapid Storage Technology SATA drivers, but only part of it, to an older version than what was installed.

Having said that Windows 7 has it's issues as well but due to time it is more mature than Windows 10 is right now and unlike gamers and their GFX drivers a great deal of professional hardware builders (say Kodak or others whom build X-Ray machines) will NOT update their drivers first chance they get as they have to guarantee 100% functionality at any time and Windows 10 simply has not had that time to mature yet or that due to Windows 10's nature will not allow it to be compatible with W10.
For example the medical field which requires these drivers will not upgrade to W10 as a guarantee until telemetry can be 100% disabled because of privacy concerns.
All their systems will also still receive FULL software updates and protection until April 2020.

Windows 7 however will NOT receive updates for those with Skylake architecture CPU's (or Broadwell/Broadwell-E and newer or the AMD ZEN architecture CPUs) which have security exploits in their hardware.
This means if in 1 year time a security exploit is found in an i7-6700K that can be allowed to execute full control of target system if using Windows 7 then that will NOT be patched, the rest of Windows' own security holes WILL be fixed as usual.
This very point is so ridiculously minute it is indescribable as it will NEVER affect the home user unless you let a hacker sit physically at your PC and do nothing whilst he hacks your PC when you are standing next to him.
This also if Intel or AMD does not provide their own driver updates to fix said issue, basically a moot point.

You can use Skylake, Broadwell, Broadwell-E, Kaby Lake and Cannon Lake CPUs or any of the new AMD ZEN architecture CPUs without any issues with Windows 7.
GPU manufacturers will also NEVER drop support for their products until the product is deemed irrelevant anyway and their lifecycle has ended(after 6 years) or when the official Windows support lifecycle ends (which is April 2020 for 7) and generally longer for their server counterparts (Hint: Windows Server 2008 R2 drivers are identical to Windows 7 drivers and can be used without issues as they are the same core OS and the Server 2008 R2 OS is generally supported at least 2 years longer than their desktop counterparts).

The point is as thus:
Windows 7 is still very powerful, stable and mature with proven reliability and driver support.
Windows 10 is the new kid on the block, powerful and becoming more stable with every update but still needs to grow.
The telemetry is another issue altogether but they are most definitely present even when turned off right now, this may be fixed in the future.

Yes Windows 10 is more efficient, no question about that but if you have an SSD on both W10 and W7 the only difference is booting speed which is in W10's favour.
That said if you're complaining between a 10 second boot for W10 and 15 seconds for W7 then you need to seriously go cry elsewhere, it is irrelevant.
Your point may be valid with a magnetic slow drive and I'll concede to that but an SSD is moot.

The biggest differences between W7 and W10 is the fact that W10 supports DX12 and W7 does not and that the core kernel of Windows 10 is "modular" so it can take feature updates well.
There are some minor technical differences that give W10 an advantage but none that you will notice as a gamer barring DX12.
Right now, barring Windows 7's no DX12 support it's literally a matter of preference between which you WANT to use, except for those in the professional business sector which rely on devices that MUST work 100% of the time and require Windows 7's maturity.
Even then if Vulkan becomes as much of a hit as the developers are claiming to support it then even that is a moot point.
The only time you'd need to be concerned with system resources being managed is when you only have 2GB of RAM and getting 2GB is a miracle in itself now as only the legacy companies sell them since 4GB has become the minimum amount.

It's a matter of preference right now, nothing more and nothing less.
Use whichever you prefer and any other sentiment is irrelevant, unless you are an uber paranoid bastard and need the latest BitLocker to use the latest hardware supporting encryption standards(acceleration ONLY, BitLocker on W7 supports the latest standards as well) on SSDs, then by all means use Windows 10 but be aware to deal with W10's telemetry which negates all of those advantages.

/end thread.

[sarym13]

So you'd rather pay for W10 at your next upgrade than just get it for free now? This baffles me.

Am I able to keep Windows 7 AND 10 when I upgrade?

As I said I am wanting to keep this PC solely Windows 7. And when I build a new PC (Note I plan on keeping this one exactly the same. I'm not switching PC's. I'm just making a new one) I am going to use Windows 10 on that. I know new hardware is a pita to install if running Windows 7. So that is the main reason I am switching to 10 on my new PC in the first place, otherwise I'd stick with 7 on both PCs. But from what I read new hardware have some form of issue with USB? Have not read into it much, but it does seem like they're putting in Windows blocks to switch most people to 10.

[Deleted]

So you'd rather pay for W10 at your next upgrade than just get it for free now? This baffles me.

aren't all windows versions hardware locked now? so you have to buy a new one every new pc no matter what?

if that isn't the case then i can't wait for the bait and switch busines model they got lined up when free versions end (which isn't today apparently, who woulda thought)