The Great Wall of Stupidity

[Azadina]

You and your annoying cheeriness... can't you be annoyed at anything? *grumbles*

You can't convert me to outrage! Nopes!

[lonely zergling]

Interestingly, the ones that are defending Matt Damon in this type of movie are the same ones that lose their minds when the Ghostbusters are all female, or the Human Torch is a black man.

Just saying

Ok, please link me the original movie with the asian guy.

[THE Bigzoman]

Interestingly, the ones that are defending Matt Damon in this type of movie are the same ones that lose their minds when the Ghostbusters are all female, or the Human Torch is a black man.

Just saying

Ooo-kayyy?

[Nathreim]

The east is crazy about the west they have been for years. They eat up shit like this.

And the argument that white people would not be in Ancient China is stupid it is MORE historically accurate to see a white person in Ancient China than to see none. China was a major trading center of the world for centuries people came from all corners of the world to trade in China.

[Coombs]

Film Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVw9YdP1O-0

Some reactions (though my OP isn't directed at the grievances it describes):

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...on-whitewashed


Well I can't help myself. I have to complain.

Anyone seen the BS going on over Matt Damon's upcoming film? People are losing their shit over Matt Damon being the lead role in a ancient Chinese setting. People's beef on social media can be boiled down to this:White guy in Ancient China=historically inaccurate.

I've grown to hate people who immediately think they're fucking historians when they discuss movies. Just stop. You're not.

One, history isn't immune from being fictionalized: There's no unwritten rule stating that a film with a historical setting must also be historically accurate. Even if there was, it'd be a stupid rule; I don't pay to see movies that give me a history lesson--though I enjoy informative historical films occasionally. I pay to see badasses wreck shit. And guess what? Jackie Chan is too old, his sons suck as actors, Bruce and Brandon Lee are dead, the effeminate Asian dude from the Hangover can't play this role, and the asian that plays Glenn from The Walking Dead can't either.



These "historians" also need to point out where in Chinese history textbooks it says that the Chinese built the wall to fend off demonic monsters. While they're at it, they can point out when Chinese infantrymen bungee jumped off it to fight off invaders.

People are unbelievable. What started as a film intriguing me because of its concept turned into me being mystified by this Great Wall of Stupidity.

How this is getting more hate than God's of Egypt is astonishing.

[Templar 331]

Kind of reminds me of Keanu Reeves and 47 Ronin. He was a bit out of place in that but still cool.

I'm guessing the studio wants to use a major name to draw people to the movie. Doesn't matter either way for me. Might see it, might not.

[Slant]

You can't convert me to outrage! Nopes!

It'll happen. All I need is patience. This world corrupts everyone. Join the dark side.

[Felya]

I don't understand all of this bitching. Do people not understand that movies are not real? Should we be upset when real historical monuments are replaced with CGI? You are supposed suspend your disbelief when you go to the movies, not bitch that it's not realistic enouph.

[Moon-Man]

Film Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVw9YdP1O-0

Some reactions (though my OP isn't directed at the grievances it describes):

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...on-whitewashed


Well I can't help myself. I have to complain.

Anyone seen the BS going on over Matt Damon's upcoming film? People are losing their shit over Matt Damon being the lead role in a ancient Chinese setting. People's beef on social media can be boiled down to this:White guy in Ancient China=historically inaccurate.

I've grown to hate people who immediately think they're fucking historians when they discuss movies. Just stop. You're not.

One, history isn't immune from being fictionalized: There's no unwritten rule stating that a film with a historical setting must also be historically accurate. Even if there was, it'd be a stupid rule; I don't pay to see movies that give me a history lesson--though I enjoy informative historical films occasionally. I pay to see badasses wreck shit. And guess what? Jackie Chan is too old, his sons suck as actors, Bruce and Brandon Lee are dead, the effeminate Asian dude from the Hangover can't play this role, and the asian that plays Glenn from The Walking Dead can't either.



These "historians" also need to point out where in Chinese history textbooks it says that the Chinese built the wall to fend off demonic monsters. While they're at it, they can point out when Chinese infantrymen bungee jumped off it to fight off invaders.

People are unbelievable. What started as a film intriguing me because of its concept turned into me being mystified by this Great Wall of Stupidity.

I noticed something about PC people. They bitch the hardest.

PC people (and politicans) made America shit. Trump will make America great again.

[Murderdoll]

Lead role of fantasy film is taken by popular actor who's heritage matches that of the majority of the film's target audience.

This.

You know what happens when they cast a Chinese actor? The movie tanks in most markets.

Movies arent made by big studios so everyone can feel super good about racial diversity. Theyre made for money. If a Chinese actor only brings in Chinese dollars whats the point?

[Felya]

It'll happen. All I need is patience. This world corrupts everyone. Join the dark side.

If this world corrupts everyone, isn't it a fairer assessment that it's simply the status quo? Instead of some force corrupting everyone?

[s_bushido]

Movies arent made by big studios so everyone can feel super good about racial diversity. Theyre made for money. If a Chinese actor only brings in Chinese dollars whats the point?

But if a studio thinks a little diversity will bring in more money, suddenly it's the end of the world and the SJWs are taking over.

[THE Bigzoman]

He says, in a thread created for the express purpose of complaining about "PC people complaining."

It's more about the historically accurate pointdexters complaining, but there's a good chance both are intertwined.

[Zenotetsuken]

Anyone seen the BS going on over Matt Damon's upcoming film? People are losing their shit over Matt Damon being the lead role in a ancient Chinese setting. People's beef on social media can be boiled down to this:White guy in Ancient China=historically inaccurate.

I've grown to hate people who immediately think they're fucking historians when they discuss movies. Just stop. You're not.

One, history isn't immune from being fictionalized: There's no unwritten rule stating that a film with a historical setting must also be historically accurate. Even if there was, it'd be a stupid rule; I don't pay to see movies that give me a history lesson--though I enjoy informative historical films occasionally. I pay to see badasses wreck shit. And guess what? Jackie Chan is too old, his sons suck as actors, Bruce and Brandon Lee are dead, the effeminate Asian dude from the Hangover can't play this role, and the asian that plays Glenn from The Walking Dead can't either.



These "historians" also need to point out where in Chinese history textbooks it says that the Chinese built the wall to fend off demonic monsters. While they're at it, they can point out when Chinese infantrymen bungee jumped off it to fight off invaders.

People are unbelievable. What started as a film intriguing me because of its concept turned into me being mystified by this Great Wall of Stupidity.

Yeah, I agree. Especially when you actually take a look at it historically. Nearly every single "Historical" movie/show is wrong on MANY MANY things that never even get mentioned. Things like clothes/inventions/mannerisms/dialect/population/society/weather/etc. are rarely ever even attempted to be accurate, let alone ACTUALLY accurate.
I much prefer movies that know they can never be "accurate" on everything, so don't try to hide it behind a shallow attempt. Which is why I liked Enemy at the Gates a lot. No one (that I remember) tried to use awful accents to fit the characters/setting, they just focused on the characters/setting, and the movie turned out better for it.

[Azadina]

It'll happen. All I need is patience. This world corrupts everyone. Join the dark side.

I hope you have an infinite amount of both time and patience!

[Slant]

If this world corrupts everyone, isn't it a fairer assessment that it's simply the status quo? Instead of some force corrupting everyone?

Well, with everyone I didn't mean literally everyone, of course. But aside from a philosophical discussion about the status quo of corruption in this world, it fits into the sentence well enough to make it into my post. I wasn't quite expecting the deep response you've provided me with.

[alexw]

Not the same. The character Mad Demon plays is a new character. They didnt change a already established succesfull asian character to white for their shady agenda.

Lols. But But But its different!!!!!!!

No. It. Is. Not.

[lonely zergling]

Lols. But But But its different!!!!!!!

No. It. Is. Not.

It is different. Or can you link me the original movie where his role gets played by a asian dude?

[Murderdoll]

But if a studio thinks a little diversity will bring in more money, suddenly it's the end of the world and the SJWs are taking over.

Its not quite that simple with Ghostbusters and comparing the two really isnt relevant. Controversy creates cash. Ghostbusters went out of its way to push a certain agenda in a cult classic film's "remake". They didnt do it because diversity = cash. They did it because they wanted to create buzz and it really didnt perform that well anyway.

Now, if this movie went out of its way and created controversy about casting all chinese actors (which wouldnt be a controversy because its a chinese film) it would a similar comparison.

[Slant]

I hope you have an infinite amount of both time and patience!

I'll be watching you (in a non-creepy way). And when it happens, I will be there to welcome you on the side that has cookies. And I'll tell you that I told you so!

And then I'll let you know how deeply disappointed I am with you. Yes, I have planned this out!

Again.. in a non-creepy way. See what the world is doing to me? Fucking disclaimers everywhere!