Paul Ryan: Democratic Party Moved 'Far Far Far To The Left'

[unbound]

That's exactly opposite of Nazi Germany...

It actually wasn't quite that simple. Hitler's stance was rather conflicted calling upon regulation and socialism, but also stated, "I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative".

However, I do agree that the economics of Nazi Germany do not match what we have in the US.

That said, we have a uncomfortably strong relationship between our government and corporations at this time...and that becomes tantamount to a fascist economy. "Free market" is nothing more than a comfortable lie big corporations tell us while they are busy enjoying their oligopolistic markets.

In regards to Paul Ryan's statement, I seriously lol'd. I don't know which is worse; the fact that he would make such an obviously false statement, or the fact that plenty of people actually buy that nonsense. Even Bernie Sanders isn't "far, far, far to the left".

This is reality:

[Wildtree]

Both parties shifted.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...-growth-117312

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...se-ever-since/

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpo...ist-with-dread

[vareck]

1. "work camps" - The U.S. incarcerates more people than any other country in the world, at staggering rates. Republicans support jailing more people, privatization of prisons, and the selling of prison labor to private companies

Prisons and work camps are not equatable. Work camps put people to work based on their ethnicity, sexuality or something else about them being unsavory, not on the basis of breaking laws or criminal behavior.

2. "promotion of motherhood, the traditional values incentives" - Republicans make primary issues out of opposition to abortion and support for the "traditional family"

They may be people who are in favor of women being mothers and traditional values in general, but there are not incentives in their policy in the way that there was in Nazi Germany. For example, all newlyweds received a substantial federal loan to help them get started on child-rearing. Each child born of that marriage meant that 25% of that loan was forgiven.

3. "protectionist economic policies" - Republicans are huge on subsidizing and protecting based on specific companies they support, as opposed to general economic protectionism, but that is still economic protectionism. Their candidate right now spends a lot of time railing against free trade.

Corporate money in politics is a US thing, not a Republican thing. Both sides are big on on supporting the interests of their corporate supporters.

4. "sealed borders" - Obvious.

A large number of Republicans are in fact not against sealed borders and we clearly don't have them. The presidential nominee does not represent the rest of the GoP politicians as a whole.

5. "racial hygiene policies" - 46% of Republicans in Mississippi still think interracial marriage should be illegal. http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot....ssissippi.html

"Less than half of Republicans in a state constituting less than 1% of the US population still think that something harmful to the children it produces should be illegal"

[Wildtree]

Prisons and work camps are not equatable.

True.. somewhat.
Prisons are a vacation paradise compared to labor camps.
Since you've mentioned Nazi Germany. Yeah, well they've thrown everyone in there, even criminal Germans ended up there, if the crime deemed worth to discipline and educate the criminal to respect law and order appropriately.
After the war and erection of the Wall in Berlin/Fence along the Soviet sector, socialistic East Germany too had labor camps btw.

In some ways, Prison and Labor Camp were essentially the same, with the former enjoying better living qualities, and the latter being hell.
But labor camps were not exclusive to political, ethnic, sexual, religious or any other out of norm orientation.
And, to my knowledge, that's true still to date, with countries that do maintain such camps. Looking at NK now for example.

[vareck]

This is reality:

That graph means absolutely nothing. Left/Right are abstract concepts without absolute measure. If you wanted to, you could shift all of them 30 points to the left just by changing the reference point to something further to the right.

Just like in this guy's link:

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpo...ist-with-dread

Conservatives being further from center than they have ever been is as easy as the center shifting towards Liberalism, whether the views of the Conservatives actually shifted or not. They did, though. Towards Liberalism, at a slower rate than the Liberals were moving away from center, creating a larger gap as center follows the Libs.

so like black people

lol
Prison population will stop looking so black when 50% of murders recorded by the FBI aren't committed by a demographic that makes up 13% of the nation's population. Are you gonna say men are treated unfairly because men are overrepresented among prison populations compared to women?

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I don't actually know what to say to you because you don't seem to be in disagreement and what you said is basically true. Hi!

[Luxxor]

Americans are just xenophobes, not open to progressive foreign values that have given Europeans much cultural enrichment. In the past, what European would have thought of new and innovative uses for airports, like blowing them up. Who could have imagined how much more entertaining Catholic masses are when they end with beheading the priest? And even beginning to discuss the recent advancement in potential uses for trucks would require its own thread.

LOL, well played sir.

[Damajin]

I love reading the title of this article, then remembering that Paul Ryan was recently headlining a Koch Brothers gathering of wealthy donors and the Koch Brothers all but saying they're backing R's in the Congressional and state level races but backing Hillary for President. Pretty funny stuff to see Democrats twist in the wind trying to explain and/or stomach that one.

[Kujako]

I love reading the title of this article, then remembering that Paul Ryan was recently headlining a Koch Brothers gathering of wealthy donors and the Koch Brothers all but saying they're backing R's in the Congressional and state level races but backing Hillary for President. Pretty funny stuff to see Democrats twist in the wind trying to explain and/or stomach that one.

What's to explain? Even the Koch Brothers thing Trump is an idiot that shouldn't be anywhere near the Whitehouse.

[Damajin]

What's to explain? Even the Koch Brothers thing Trump is an idiot that shouldn't be anywhere near the Whitehouse.

Yeah but the Koch Brothers are evil, and have to be stopped in everything they do.....except supporting Hillary.

It's just amusing to me that as the Democrat party abandons the middle class and starts representing the donor class and upper class/white collar world more and more there's still stupid suckers that cling to the 80s mindset of what the party supposedly represented. It's also amusing to see that the whole "there is no difference between the two parties" distinction is being brought to the forefront for people to see and finally acknowledge.

[Kujako]

Yeah but the Koch Brothers are evil, and have to be stopped in everything they do.....except supporting Hillary.

It's just amusing to me that as the Democrat party abandons the middle class and starts representing the donor class and upper class/white collar world more and more there's still stupid suckers that cling to the 80s mindset of what the party supposedly represented. It's also amusing to see that the whole "there is no difference between the two parties" distinction is being brought to the forefront for people to see and finally acknowledge.

I guess I just see it as an indictment of Trump rather then of Hillary that even the sleaze-ball Koch Bro's can't stand him. But really, they've supported both sides most of the time. They just like to buy influence.

[Jibberjabber]

"Less than half of Republicans in a state constituting less than 1% of the US population still think that something harmful to the children it produces should be illegal"

you saying you think interracial marriage is harmful to the children? cause i didn't see that language in the article linked.

[matt4pack]

I will never understand why so many Americans are afraid of leftie politics.

Would people hate free health care? Free Education? Social Safety net? Higher minimum wage so you dont have to work 2-3-4 jobs just to afford living? - Payed by taxes, nothing is free Per se.

Can someone ELI5 why Americans are afraid of people on the left wing and their politics? What good has conservatism done for the average joe the last 20 years in America? I dont think I am the only one sitting in Europe and sometimes just shaking my head of the people you vote to power. And yes, I know you dont care about anyones opinion because you are AMERICA, the best country on earth.

A lot of people would like that of course. The problem with the left is at the same time they want to have almost unlimited immigration which doesn't work especially with policies like those enacted.

Also turning everything into identity politics while making every excuse possible for a certain religion is the reason why someone like Trump actually has a chance.

[vareck]

you saying you think interracial marriage is harmful to the children? cause i didn't see that language in the article linked.

I was paraphrasing what the person who linked the article said, with a twist. Yes, interracial couples should not produce children.

Black-white children are more likely than both black and whites to engage in risky or anti-social behavior: http://www.nber.org/papers/w14192
Asian-white American children twice as likely to be diagnosed with psych disorders: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-baa081108.php
Interracial marriages divorce rate at 23.5% compared to 13% for same-race marriages: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4145377?...n_tab_contents

I have some more stuff gathered if interested but 3 links seemed like a good start.

[Orbitus]

I was paraphrasing what the person who linked the article said, with a twist. Yes, interracial couples should not produce children.

Black-white children are more likely than both black and whites to engage in risky or anti-social behavior: http://www.nber.org/papers/w14192
Asian-white American children twice as likely to be diagnosed with psych disorders: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-baa081108.php
Interracial marriages divorce rate at 23.5% compared to 13% for same-race marriages: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4145377?...n_tab_contents

I have some more stuff gathered if interested but 3 links seemed like a good start.

How does it feel to be a bigot? You actually think that interracial marriages shouldn't have kids?
Jesus tap dancing christ, I have never seen such bullshit.

[Ironhorn]

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

I mean, they certainly are not if you ignore the facts that they

1) Want to replace the science syllabus with religion
2) Want to enforce the biblical way of dealing with females, LGBTs and minorities
3) Want to censor any valid political criticism with wild accusations of treason and unpatriotism

They literally want none of that. If they did Santorum would have won the nominee.

[Orbitus]

They literally want none of that. If they did Santorum would have won the nominee.

Yeah they are doing all of that. Especially replacing science with religion. http://www.alternet.org/education/5-...ng-creationist

[Deleted]

List all of their policy that has shifted from center or left to right.

They have to be real, it cant just be "I feel like they are so crazy!"

Building a wall to keep out Mexicans and banning all Muslims and associates from your country.

[Rennadrel]

Far more middle than the assholes he works with, who are so far right they might as well be into dictatorships.

[Xeones]

I was paraphrasing what the person who linked the article said, with a twist. Yes, interracial couples should not produce children.

Black-white children are more likely than both black and whites to engage in risky or anti-social behavior: http://www.nber.org/papers/w14192
Asian-white American children twice as likely to be diagnosed with psych disorders: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-baa081108.php
Interracial marriages divorce rate at 23.5% compared to 13% for same-race marriages: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4145377?...n_tab_contents

I have some more stuff gathered if interested but 3 links seemed like a good start.

Did I just see this?

Someone please tell me I'm misreading this post.

[matt4pack]

What is "Far Far Far left" politics here?

From a European perspective America in general seems to be leaning to the far right pretty heavily, and not even close to what they often decry as "socialism".

Can we please stop with this myth? Europe is not just Scandinavian and very western Europe. Abortion is illegal in Ireland. Is that not Europe? Is Poland not Europe? Come on.

And even in those countries you have far right parties.