Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Crispin]

Just sheds some more light on other possible motives for him to have wanted to make that speech. And his son would not have had to registered anyway, he was a US citizen. Trump's restriction on Muslims would only apply to non US citizens trying to enter the country. And it would only be a temporary one until we develop more successful ways to screen them.

Well Trump surely gave him all the motives he needs, and Humayun Khan was born in UAE and is an immigrant, and "screen" them? what other than surveillance would you have in

[Noxx79]

Of course they rate it as false. But the US is certainly in a world of hurts from trade deficts and the working class is feeling it.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/tradep...de_deficit.htm

Choose not to believe it or not. Your choice. But the poor economy is the major concern on the minds of many Americans and if Trump wins, it will play a major role in his victory.

Again with the feels.

I love how the right has decided that reality no longer applies.

And since we're playing the "hint" game, i'll give you a "hint:" the Mom and Pop small business that the rights seems obsessed with? They don't play the import export game. They sell locally, and the US economy internally is continuing to grow (slowly, but grow) - that would indicate a just as large internal economic profit.

[Deleted]

The opposite, really. Statistics are often "racist"



Uhuh.

http://i.imgur.com/Lhn3Rn2.jpg

How are statistics racist? If the methodology is sound, then only the interpreter can apply his racist predispositions to the statistics, but the numbers themselves are utterly and completely neutral.

[AndaliteBandit]

Of course they rate it as false. But the US is certainly in a world of hurts from trade deficts and the working class is feeling it.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/tradep...de_deficit.htm

Choose not to believe it or not. Your choice. But the poor economy is the major concern on the minds of many Americans and if Trump wins, it will play a major role in his victory.

Nothing that you have said or linked explains how Trump can use the trade deficit to pay for the wall, because he can't.

Here's a hint for your hint game-- why would a lawyer advise against suing someone who doesn't have any money or assets in civil court? Because even if you win, you're not getting the money. In fact, you'll lose money trying to.

[Endus]

Of course they rate it as false. But the US is certainly in a world of hurts from trade deficts and the working class is feeling it.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/tradep...de_deficit.htm

Choose not to believe it or not. Your choice. But the poor economy is the major concern on the minds of many Americans and if Trump wins, it will play a major role in his victory.

The economy isn't "poor". GDP per capita is high and has been climbing since 2009, unemployment's at a reasonable level and has been dropping steadily since 2009. If the economy is your single issue, then Obama's been a great President.

The issue is wealth inequality; that working- and middle-class workers aren't getting an equitable share of that strength, and the only party that's suggesting we do anything real to change that is the Democrats.

How are statistics racist? If the methodology is sound, then only the interpreter can apply his racist predispositions to the statistics, but the numbers themselves are utterly and completely neutral.

Statistics are never racist. Interpretations of those statistics are often irrational and racist. It's not racist to say "70% of X is caused by Y". It's racist to add to that saying "Y is therefore inherently the problem, because they're just inferior people in some way, ignore all other related context and historical background to the issue."

[DeadmanWalking]

Now all we need is pictures of the Trump sons killing endangered African animals like leopards and elephants to make Hillary's third wish come true.... (Hint, Google > Trump dead elephant)

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Nothing that you have said or linked explains how Trump can use the trade deficit to pay for the wall, because he can't.

Here's a hint for your hint game-- why would a lawyer advise against suing someone who doesn't have any money or assets in civil court? Because even if you win, you're not getting the money. In fact, you'll lose money trying to.

That is because the Trade deficit is not a piggy bank with actual money in it, it is merely data showing the difference in trade between two nations. Its physical representation is a chart on a wall.

[alexw]

It is not hard to understand. Money saved, is more money in your pocket. Do you really not see how a trade surplus would give more Americans more money ( more jobs ) than a trade deficit? Mexico is absolutely benefiting from the same concept you are arguing against. lol.

No. This is clueless. You simply don't understand economics. I don't even know where to begin to explain this to you given how illustrative your statements are of your lack of understanding of this issue. How do I explain the color blue to a blind man?

[Planeshaper]

Registered just to reply to this thread. A lot of hate going towards a man taking on the system! Taking on the system was what made America great in the first place!

The DNC/Clinton Machine, Globalist, and even the RNC are the system. Donald has taken a giant turd in their kool-aid.

Everything is rigged against Donald...yet here stands this non-PC New Yorker giving them all the middle finger! And people are reminded that what made America great was the pioneering spirit. The "don't tell me how to think, what to do, or what I can/cannot say" attitude. Rise up friends, join Trump in giving the global elitist the largest F-U in modern history!

He is indeed taking on the system. And that would be great if that was all he was doing, but it isn't.

He is attacking the people and the very principles of America. Refugees from the Middle East aren't the system, but he attacks them. The inner city poor aren't the system, but he attacks them. Illegal and undocumented immigrants aren't the system, but he attacks them. Women aren't the system, but he attacks them. American soldiers and their families aren't the system, but he even attacks them.

Trump isn't in this to attack the system, Trump is in this to become the system. Trump is in this for Trump, not for you, or anyone else.

He has no actual positions that he hasn't contradicted numerous times, and has no desire to actually govern.

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Trump is not the founding fathers of America, just because both share the quality of having given the middle finger to a system. Not least of which that the two systems in this analogy, to which middle fingers are being given, do not even share any traits.

I think you have taken an incorrect lesson from the revolution that created our country, and what policies actually strengthened our country post Great Depression and WWII.

You don't just follow every asshole who shits on the system just because that's what they're doing.

[DeadmanWalking]

I will give you a hint. I put on a metal roof and it was expensive. But in time I will get the money back and then start to actually gain some by the savings. The metal roof is going to pay for it.

The trade deficit is not money, it is data representing the difference between two nations in terms of who buys more from the other. Americans buy more from Mexico because from the late 80's right up to today American business men have been sending production jobs to Mexico and shipping it back to the states to sell and Americans have lost jobs. There is no miraculous piggy bank full of money to be raided for paying for a wall.

[alexw]

Of course they rate it as false. But the US is certainly in a world of hurts from trade deficts and the working class is feeling it.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/tradep...de_deficit.htm

Choose not to believe it or not. Your choice. But the poor economy is the major concern on the minds of many Americans and if Trump wins, it will play a major role in his victory.

Again clueless. The US must run a trade deficit because the dollar is the global reserve currency. As the world economy continues to expand so must the amount of dollars held internationally and that means the US must run a continual trade deficit for that outflow of dollars to continue. Since dollars are simply numbers on a computer screen created from nothing there is no "loss" from this transfer. Rather in the way you are thinking of things it is a net gain. The US is basically able to trade created from nothing numbers on a screen for goods and services created by the hard work of the workers of other nations. It thus gains goods and services that other nations make for nothing and is consequently able to offer its citizens a higher standard of living than they would otherwise have. Other nations that run trade deficits do not have this advantage of a global reserve currency, meaning that whatever outflow of their currency occurs is only temporary.

That is not to say that being the global reserve currency does not have downsides but they manifest in other ways -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma

[CptEgo]

Oh my God, I am just laughing my ass off at how fucking stupid that ridiculous circus clown is. Everything that moron says should be on a fucking tshirt. Has Trump ever said anything that was true? I'm just wondering.

[Stacyrect]

...have you been listening to Donald Dump's campaign? He's, quite literally, advocating segregation, banning religions and cultures and encouraging racial tensions all while completely denying science at every angle. He's the one who's dragging us back to the 9th century, not several Muslims who believe in their faith.

Yup. Couldn't care less if he bans all Muslim immigrants even if that could be a thing. Even the moderate ones don't really contribute anything to society and they are almost always under educated. Keep em out

[primalmatter]

Oh my God, I am just laughing my ass off at how fucking stupid that ridiculous circus clown is. Everything that moron says should be on a fucking tshirt. Has Trump ever said anything that was true? I'm just wondering.

What is it you believe is untrue today exactly?

[TZucchini]

Yup. Couldn't care less if he bans all Muslim immigrants even if that could be a thing. Even the moderate ones don't really contribute anything to society and they are almost always under educated. Keep em out

"Moderate Muslim immigrants are almost always under educated".

So when are we going to clean these forums up and start perma-banning these bigots?

[Noxx79]

Yup. Couldn't care less if he bans all Muslim immigrants even if that could be a thing. Even the moderate ones don't really contribute anything to society and they are almost always under educated. Keep em out

It must've really hurt to pull that out of your ass. Care to tell us where you got your data?

[Kalador]

Yup. Couldn't care less if he bans all Muslim immigrants even if that could be a thing. Even the moderate ones don't really contribute anything to society and they are almost always under educated. Keep em out

What a load of bullshit...

[infinitemeridian]

To all the Trump defenders, why won't Trump release his tax returns? The IRS has said he is within his rights to do so. Every presidential nominee since the 70s has done it. In fact, Trump himself railed against Romney in 2012 when he resisted. And if the shoe were on the other foot and Hillary hadn't released hers, you can bet he would be going after her for that all the time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/op...sure.html?_r=0

[Felya]

What is it you believe is untrue today exactly?

That's a hell of a metric. What did Trump say that wasn't true in the last 9-12 hours? That's the Trump standard?

Saying Khan family were most of all upset with Trump over him fighting terrorists was yesterday. Lying about a letter from NFL was this weekend. Nope, nothing in the last 9-12 hours... Give him a bit more time...

Edit: His speech in Virginia should have started about 45 min ago. Give him another hour or so.

[Ripster42]

He is losing by 7 points nationally. But in some vital swing states such as Ohio and Penn, it is much closer. The polls in the states which have been traditionally the deciding ones, are the most important. The rust belt , the states in it have been decimated by the jobs moving out and the reduction of coal production. People there are more concerned about the economy than how offensive Trump is.

And he is more favored for fixing the economy than Hillary is. In spite of his dumb responses to the bait of the democrats, it still could be a very close election this Nov.

I also watched a video of how the Muslim man and his wife who made the emotional speech about the lost of their son, is a lawyer working for the Clinton Foundation and works to get more Muslims into the US. So Trump may have hit a gold nerve with him. This does not negate Trump's insensitive response to them. He certainly messed up. But it does shed more light on the situation for myself.

It's also close in states that aren't traditionally swing states. Like georgia. That's from redstate, a conservative blog btw.

[primalmatter]

That's a hell of a metric. What did Trump say that wasn't true in the last 9-12 hours? That's the Trump standard?

Saying Khan family were most of all upset with Trump over him fighting terrorists was yesterday. Lying about a letter from NFL was this weekend. Nope, nothing in the last 9-12 hours... Give him a bit more time...

He is a politician.

Only a lie a day I think would be a record for any elected leader.