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    It's pretty clear he doesn't want to do the work as President. I am not sure if that is translating to him doing things to sabotage his own campaign. But I can't really explain his campaign in any other way so it's as possible as other explanations.
    I think people are overestimating trump if they think he's trying to "throw" the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    It's not bullshit, you might want to research how pay for citizenship has negatively impacted many different countries around the world. It's clear you don't have any clue what I'm talking about, not vice versa.
    This has been in effect for nearly 25 years and you want me to look at countries that don't have the same law, but fall under your banner of 'pay for citizenship'. If you know what those visas are, can you explain your leap to citizenship? Citizenship is not the same as either a visa or a green card. How are you not full of shit, when talking about pay for citizenship, in regards to a visa? Give me anothe link, so I can show how horribly misinformed you are about using your links again.

    You don't get to tell me I'm misinformed when your own damn proof explicitly contradicts you.

    Trump's 'rhetoric' which is actually sound policy when you've got 70% of a religious identity that isn't compatible with Western values at all is just fine. Many people not named Trump think and have thought similar for quite a long time.
    Way to shit on the constitution with your bullshit %... Yeah, many people also think the sky is blue because it reflect the ocean... Guess what...

    He said it wasn't an easy reference for legal studies, not that it wasn't one. You also forget that for muslims there is no difference between religion and politics, they are synonymous and all encompassing in their intertwined meaning. So really I wasn't lying at all, you're just not very smart.
    Uhm... Do you need to have that quote tattood on your forehead to read it? He explicitly states it's no different than any religion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangean View Post
    It's pretty clear he doesn't want to do the work as President. I am not sure if that is translating to him doing things to sabotage his own campaign. But I can't really explain his campaign in any other way so it's as possible as other explanations.

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    With respect to FOX. Now that the "alleged" mass sexual harasser is gone I am hearing that the Murdoch kids are planning to do wholesale cleaning of the operation. And in that case it's going to be an Augean task.
    I find it so gratifying to see that FOX was as terrible on the inside as it was on the outside. You can't spend that much of the day lying for evil and not then turn around and be awful to your own people.

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    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presi...ry?id=41066637

    President Obama: Donald Trump Is 'Unfit to Serve as President'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    I'm claiming that an immigration lawyer has to support the same policies as Obama when it impacts his bottom line, yeah. He doesn't have to support him across the board which is what you're trying to get at, just the shit that butters his bread at the end of the day.
    You are litteraly making whole sale accusations without any proof. Do you even understand how a pay scale works for immigration lawyers? Making shit up?

    Yeah, I'm wondering why people were making such a big deal about her being up there speaking and yet when this guy does the same, which is in essence dancing on the grave of his child for political points people think it's fucking great. If Trump hadn't said dick to that guy you kids would still be hoorahing him, that he did was obviously stupid on his part but let's not overlook the complete hypocrisy of both parties contracting a parent to dance on the grave of their child for political gain. It's fucking atrocious and the epitome of hypocrisy.
    Hypocracy because you are making shit up? Your assumptions of what people will do, being contradicted, doesn't mean they hypocrites. It just means your assumption is wrong...

    No, I'm not full of shit and definitely not lying. You shouldn't use that accusation against people unwarranted, it really makes you look incredibly stupid and reactionary.
    How are you not full of shit when you litteraly just bitch about your assumption? How are you not full of shit, when you being wrong, means others are hypocrites?

    How are you not a liar when your own link contradicted you and then I point out the contradiction, you doubled down? Are you lying about that link agreeing with you or you reading it? There is no third option...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    People shilling for topics and efforts they have economic ties to is a conflict of interest that in him not exposing upfront shows he wasn't interested in following full disclosure protocol, pretty simple. That he's deleted his website since this became common knowledge shows he's turtling up and hoping he doesn't get part of his business, career and reputation ruined by this, let alone whatever he has invested emotionally and mentally into floodgate immigration standards.

    I didn't attempt to smear Khan, I actually smeared him as did others as a shameful opportunist and someone willing to exploit their own son's death for political gain which also in a roundabout way benefits him financially.

    You can think what you like about me, that's fine.
    Yes you did try. You think that he is trying to hide that he was was a lawyer involved in immigration issues when his profession has been described in the media...hold for a second...immigration lawyer. That's a smear.

    "Asked about the Democratic National Committee speech of Khizr Khan, a Virginia immigration lawyer whose son Humayun was killed in Iraq, Donald Trump told New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, “I’d like to hear his wife say something.”
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/0...rumps-replies/

    "That was the beginning of a 7-minute speech that became an instant sensation—eloquent, emotional and notably original, coming as it did at the end of four days of highly processed political cliche. Khan, a 66-year-old immigration lawyer from Charlottesville, Virginia, told the story of his son’s death in combat in Iraq,

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...#ixzz4GDtvx5QQ

    He wasn't hiding anything. That's your smear.

    You claimed he was "selling" visas. That's yet another of your smears.

    And what does smear mean? Hmmm.

    "damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander".

    And what did you say? "I actually smeared him". You certainly did try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeic View Post
    I think people are overestimating trump if they think he's trying to "throw" the election.
    Well given that would take a skill set we have yet to see from Trump I can't disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangean View Post
    It's pretty clear he doesn't want to do the work as President. I am not sure if that is translating to him doing things to sabotage his own campaign. But I can't really explain his campaign in any other way so it's as possible as other explanations.

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    With respect to FOX. Now that the "alleged" mass sexual harasser is gone I am hearing that the Murdoch kids are planning to do wholesale cleaning of the operation. And in that case it's going to be an Augean task.
    I think its dawned on them that they have played a very big part in creating a heck of a lot of right-wing extremists who are completely disconnected from reality. That in allowing Alies to push their ideology in such an extreme way, they have screwed up big time and that it is having consequences they don't want.

    So they will moderate and try to de-radicalize their viewer base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    I think its dawned on them that they have played a very big part in creating a heck of a lot of right-wing extremists who are completely disconnected from reality. That in allowing Alies to push their ideology in such an extreme way, they have screwed up big time and that it is having consequences they don't want.

    So they will moderate and try to de-radicalize their viewer base.
    I don't think they can put that horse back in the stable now.
    What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangean View Post
    I don't think they can put that horse back in the stable now.
    The better question is how do you create the Ailes-atmosphere that so appealed to their core audience after cleaning out the rampant abusers? If the Murdoch boys sweep out the harassers and those who were in on it (which appears to be the entire C-level management team), who will lead the business side of FOX? The anchors and talkers don't actually run the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangean View Post
    I don't think they can put that horse back in the stable now.
    Speaking of horses out of stables....

    "longtime ally of Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager: "Manafort not challenging Trump anymore. Mailing it in. Staff suicidal."
    https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/sta...33940151443457

    This has been the most Trump-like Trump has been in a few months

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    Yes you did try. You think that he is trying to hide that he was was a lawyer involved in immigration issues when his profession has been described in the media...hold for a second...immigration lawyer. That's a smear.

    "Asked about the Democratic National Committee speech of Khizr Khan, a Virginia immigration lawyer whose son Humayun was killed in Iraq, Donald Trump told New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, “I’d like to hear his wife say something.”
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/0...rumps-replies/

    "That was the beginning of a 7-minute speech that became an instant sensation—eloquent, emotional and notably original, coming as it did at the end of four days of highly processed political cliche. Khan, a 66-year-old immigration lawyer from Charlottesville, Virginia, told the story of his son’s death in combat in Iraq,

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...#ixzz4GDtvx5QQ

    He wasn't hiding anything. That's your smear.

    You claimed he was "selling" visas. That's yet another of your smears.

    And what does smear mean? Hmmm.

    "damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander".

    And what did you say? "I actually smeared him". You certainly did try.

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    Well given that would take a skill set we have yet to see from Trump I can't disagree.
    Pretty big difference in scope between being an immigration lawyer and having a practice which has as one of its 3 main pillars a visa known primarily as a rich man's ticket to tax haven and other shady BS status that is used and abused by wealthy Muslims and other foreigners the same ways all of the cash for citizenship programs around the world are.

    Are you going to nitpick my words too? Ok, he wasn't selling the visas, he was selling the pathway and guidance to the visas. In the end it is more or less the same fucking thing, my original point stands and you win a semantic victory, go collect your prize tickets and buy a stuffed animal or something.

    If he wasn't hiding anything, why'd he delete his law practice website? If he wasn't hiding anything, why didn't he full disclosure exactly what he does as an immigration lawyer? People want to know if there's a conflict of interest in a speaker.

    I made no false accusations, I posted pretty exacting info from both his own website and from elsewhere. That you don't like it, and the fact that I'm calling him out for being a political opportunist attempting to use the death of his son for a political agenda is amusing to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    I think its dawned on them that they have played a very big part in creating a heck of a lot of right-wing extremists who are completely disconnected from reality. That in allowing Alies to push their ideology in such an extreme way, they have screwed up big time and that it is having consequences they don't want.

    So they will moderate and try to de-radicalize their viewer base.
    That's funny, their viewer base is already pretty soft as it is.

    Rupert Murdoch, being as big a globalist as he is has been pretty much for Hillary from the start. From what I've heard his kids tend to follow in dad's footsteps so expect some sort of CNN treatment probably. It doesn't really matter in the long run, all the corporate media is total bullshit anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smooshtheman View Post
    1. Maybe because he isnt required by law to give up his personal tax records for the past 6 years whenever a butt-hurt pos stands up and demands to see.
    Trump has repeatedly demanded that various political opponents, mostly Democrats, and then Republicans during the primaries, release their own tax info. He even said during Obama's run for president that it was necessary for a president to release their tax files so citizens could make sure they were honest. And of course the rank and file Republicans, nearly half of the country, agreed with him. Now that HE'S the one running he and all of his rank and filers are coming up with every excuse as to why he doesn't have to.

    2. When have you seen Donald himself stand up and say "im worth x amount of dollars"? I think its the media that tells you how much hes worth, so is he lying to anybody?
    He's repeatedly claimed various levels of wealth throughout his life. Closest to the election he claimed to be worth 10 billion.

    3. Because half the country is too lazy to work and think if you make over $100,000 a year you live in excess and need to be looted.
    Half the country? I wasn't aware unemployment was at 50%. Are we talking about the "real unemployment" which isn't even close to 50% either, but includes people over 70 and children?

    A question for you libtards.
    Oh this is gonna be good.

    1. How can you care at all about Donald Trumps tax returns and his self made wealth, when Hilary Clinton has made obscene amounts of money dealing behind Americas back and taking heaps of cash from countries that are the opposite of the United States?
    Donald Dump isn't self made. His daddy gave him tons of money to start his own businesses, and ridiculous amounts of them failed. Daddy had to bail him out of embarrassing debt numerous times. It wasn't until Donald stopped trying to run his businesses, and just slapped his name on them and let other people run them that they began being profitable. I don't want someone who can't even run his own businesses running the country, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    Pretty big difference in scope between being an immigration lawyer and having a practice which has as one of its 3 main pillars a visa known primarily as a rich man's ticket to tax haven and other shady BS status that is used and abused by wealthy Muslims and other foreigners the same ways all of the cash for citizenship programs around the world are.

    Are you going to nitpick my words too? Ok, he wasn't selling the visas, he was selling the pathway and guidance to the visas. In the end it is more or less the same fucking thing, my original point stands and you win a semantic victory, go collect your prize tickets and buy a stuffed animal or something.

    If he wasn't hiding anything, why'd he delete his law practice website? If he wasn't hiding anything, why didn't he full disclosure exactly what he does as an immigration lawyer? People want to know if there's a conflict of interest in a speaker.

    I made no false accusations, I posted pretty exacting info from both his own website and from elsewhere. That you don't like it, and the fact that I'm calling him out for being a political opportunist attempting to use the death of his son for a political agenda is amusing to me.
    No they are, ignoring your claim about the visa, actions of immigration lawyers. FFS are you really trying to claim otherwise? Are you really claiming immigration lawyers don't do E5B work? Do only nefarious immigration people do E5B work? Your smear ain't working.

    Nitpick your words? You tried to smear him by claiming he was "selling" the visas. It's an attempted smear.

    Why did he delete his website? I have no idea and either do you. Will that stop you from claiming nefarious reasons? No. Because at this point all you are trying to do is smear him.

    But at this point it matters not what the reason is. Nothing on the archived website shows anything that is not what other immigration lawyers do. He was known as an immigration lawyer and noted as such by the media. Nothing he does as an immigration lawyer changes anything he said at the convention and Trump's response to it. That you claim he did it for his own personal profit is yet another attempted smear.

    At this point it's no surprise that these types of attacks were going to happen to Khan. There are lots of water carriers for Trump. And you are yet another one.

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    Speaking of horses out of stables....



    https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/sta...33940151443457

    This has been the most Trump-like Trump has been in a few months
    That would definitely explain some of the action of the campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfey View Post
    The better question is how do you create the Ailes-atmosphere that so appealed to their core audience after cleaning out the rampant abusers? If the Murdoch boys sweep out the harassers and those who were in on it (which appears to be the entire C-level management team), who will lead the business side of FOX? The anchors and talkers don't actually run the place.
    The Murdoch empire is rather large. I doubt they would have trouble finding replacements.

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    Holy Shit. Meg Whitman just came out and announced she was going to vote for Hillary and donate money to her campaign.

    Meg Whitman, Calling Donald Trump a ‘Demagogue,’ Will Support Hillary Clinton for President

    Meg Whitman, a Hewlett Packard executive and Republican fund-raiser, said Tuesday that she would support Hillary Clinton for president and give a “substantial” contribution to her campaign in order to stop Donald J. Trump, whom she berated as a threat to American democracy.

    “I will vote for Hillary, I will talk to my Republican friends about helping her, and I will donate to her campaign and try to raise money for her,” Ms. Whitman said in a telephone interview.

    She revealed that Mrs. Clinton, the Democratic nominee, had reached out to her in a phone call about a month ago, one of the first indications that Mrs. Clinton is aggressively courting Republican leaders. While acknowledging she diverged from Mrs. Clinton on many policy issues, Ms. Whitman said it was time for Republicans “to put country first before party.”

    Using remarkably blunt language, she argued that the election of Mr. Trump, whom she called “a dishonest demagogue,” could lead the country “on a very dangerous journey.” She noted that democracies had seldom lasted longer than a few hundred years and warned that those who say that “it can’t happen here” are being naïve.

    Ms. Whitman also said she “absolutely” stood by her comments at a private gathering of Republican donors this year comparing Mr. Trump to Hitler and Mussolini, explaining that dictators often come to office through democratic means.

    “Time and again history has shown that when demagogues have gotten power or come close to getting power, it usually does not end well,” Ms. Whitman said. She asserted that Mr. Trump had already “undermined the character of the nation.”

    A billionaire who spent $140 million of her own money in a failed bid for governor of California in 2010, Ms. Whitman, the former chief executive of eBay, is a prized defector for Mrs. Clinton. She is close to Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican nominee; has deep ties to the country’s business elite; and is a rare female Republican executive in Silicon Valley.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/us...nton.html?_r=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    Pretty big difference in scope between being an immigration lawyer and having a practice which has as one of its 3 main pillars a visa known primarily as a rich man's ticket to tax haven and other shady BS status that is used and abused by wealthy Muslims and other foreigners the same ways all of the cash for citizenship programs around the world are.
    False equivalency... Citizenship and visas are not the same thing. The point of those visas is to invite foreign business. You know that who thing about bringing jobs back to US? This is what those visas are for, not citizenship for sale. What you are accusing him of us fraud, which is bullshit and a complete lie.

    Are you going to nitpick my words too? Ok, he wasn't selling the visas, he was selling the pathway and guidance to the visas. In the end it is more or less the same fucking thing, my original point stands and you win a semantic victory, go collect your prize tickets and buy a stuffed animal or something.
    You confirming he is right, doesn't mean he nit picked your words. You are not actually disagreeing that it's what you meant...

    If he wasn't hiding anything, why'd he delete his law practice website? If he wasn't hiding anything, why didn't he full disclosure exactly what he does as an immigration lawyer? People want to know if there's a conflict of interest in a speaker.
    There is a conflict of interest, because his son died for America and people like Trump slander anyone who is Muslim, without a shred of evidance or decency.

    I made no false accusations, I posted pretty exacting info from both his own website and from elsewhere. That you don't like it, and the fact that I'm calling him out for being a political opportunist attempting to use the death of his son for a political agenda is amusing to me.
    You are accusing him of fraud, that he holds sharia law above all others and his religion's text as more important than others. All of which have been refuted with using nothing more that what you claimed supports your point. You are a liar...
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    So Trump likes to claim his business skills makes him a great person to be president. Here is a great but long article that goes into detail of his business dealings. Yet another reason he is unqualified.

    DONALD TRUMP'S MANY BUSINESS FAILURES, EXPLAINED
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    No they are, ignoring your claim about the visa, actions of immigration lawyers. FFS are you really trying to claim otherwise? Are you really claiming immigration lawyers don't do E5B work? Do only nefarious immigration people do E5B work? Your smear ain't working.

    Nitpick your words? You tried to smear him by claiming he was "selling" the visas. It's an attempted smear.

    Why did he delete his website? I have no idea and either do you. Will that stop you from claiming nefarious reasons? No. Because at this point all you are trying to do is smear him.

    But at this point it matters not what the reason is. Nothing on the archived website shows anything that is not what other immigration lawyers do. He was known as an immigration lawyer and noted as such by the media. Nothing he does as an immigration lawyer changes anything he said at the convention and Trump's response to it. That you claim he did it for his own personal profit is yet another attempted smear.

    At this point it's no surprise that these types of attacks were going to happen to Khan. There are lots of water carriers for Trump. And you are yet another one.
    Rofl, that's amusing. I have nothing invested in helping Trump at all, but clearly you see any attack against anyone who is attacking him as automatically being a fully loaded water carrying act by me, or anyone else. Pretty snide, and ultimately irrelevant.

    Don't play naive man, you're at least somewhat intelligent and aware of how politics and the behind the scenes shit works. You know just as well as I do that websites, facebooks, twitters, youtubes, instagrams, emails and the rest of this internet thing get deleted for basically the same reason every single time they're deleted: The owner of it got put under the spotlight and some damaging material or information became available from the existence of it and their work, career or message was ultimately threatened by the spotlight/sunlight on said material/info.

    This is so routine and so commonplace nowadays that the very act of deleting the website or whatever often turns into a story all by itself, as it did here. So you playing the naive I don't know kid is really out of place and I don't mind calling you out on it personally because if you want to pretend to be dumb for your own peace of mind and ability to lay down to sleep tonight that's fine, but don't try to bring that into a discussion because it's not only really stupid but ultimately really faulty work when someone has displayed enough basic and behind the scenes knowledge of the gamesmanship of politics to establish they know better.

    I already admitted that the way I said the visa thing was incorrect though he is actively promoting and emphasizing his ability to guide people through the process, but it wasn't incorrect that he doesn't have a financial interest in what he was speaking about at the convention, nor is it incorrect that he wasn't using his own sons' death as a means to score political points. You might disagree with me on that, but I don't fucking care.

    People who believe that Sharia should dominate over all other national laws probably shouldn't be helping people immigrate here, for what it's worth.

    Incidentally, no one gives a fuck about Meg Whitman, especially not the Republican Party. You jumping on that like it's some great bit of semi scandalous semi illuminary news is funny. Just about as funny as when that one kid made that thread last week that Obama's brother was in for Trump. Who the fuck cares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    Rofl, that's amusing. I have nothing invested in helping Trump at all, but clearly you see any attack against anyone who is attacking him as automatically being a fully loaded water carrying act by me, or anyone else. Pretty snide, and ultimately irrelevant.

    Don't play naive man, you're at least somewhat intelligent and aware of how politics and the behind the scenes shit works. You know just as well as I do that websites, facebooks, twitters, youtubes, instagrams, emails and the rest of this internet thing get deleted for basically the same reason every single time they're deleted: The owner of it got put under the spotlight and some damaging material or information became available from the existence of it and their work, career or message was ultimately threatened by the spotlight/sunlight on said material/info.

    This is so routine and so commonplace nowadays that the very act of deleting the website or whatever often turns into a story all by itself, as it did here. So you playing the naive I don't know kid is really out of place and I don't mind calling you out on it personally because if you want to pretend to be dumb for your own peace of mind and ability to lay down to sleep tonight that's fine, but don't try to bring that into a discussion because it's not only really stupid but ultimately really faulty work when someone has displayed enough basic and behind the scenes knowledge of the gamesmanship of politics to establish they know better.

    I already admitted that the way I said the visa thing was incorrect though he is actively promoting and emphasizing his ability to guide people through the process, but it wasn't incorrect that he doesn't have a financial interest in what he was speaking about at the convention, nor is it incorrect that he wasn't using his own sons' death as a means to score political points. You might disagree with me on that, but I don't fucking care.

    People who believe that Sharia should dominate over all other national laws probably shouldn't be helping people immigrate here, for what it's worth.

    Incidentally, no one gives a fuck about Meg Whitman, especially not the Republican Party. You jumping on that like it's some great bit of semi scandalous semi illuminary news is funny. Just about as funny as when that one kid made that thread last week that Obama's brother was in for Trump. Who the fuck cares.
    No I see people who parrot the smear campaign of the Trump water carriers as themselves water carriers for Trump. The fact that you have done nothing but smear Khan with baseless accusations and innuendo that you admit you got from one of his water carriers is funny behavior for someone not carrying his water. If you walk like a duck, talk like a duck, you are a duck.

    I invite you once again to show what in his website you think he is hiding from folks that know that his occupation is of an immigration lawyer. Spell it out. Use the actual text from the website. Then explain how that in any way invalidates what he said or excuses what Trump said.

    Oh go ahead and show he was protecting his financial interests with his speech. Use his exact words from the speech showing that.

    I don't care who you think should be here or not or for whatever reasons you dream up to justify your nonsense.

    No one gives a fuck? LOL. You speak for everyone do you? The republican party? Why is it folks like you always resort to the "I speak for everyone" bit? Did someone tell you it makes your arguments better or something?
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    What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
    'Cause they're working for the clampdown
    They put up a poster saying we earn more than you!
    When we're working for the clampdown
    We will teach our twisted speech To the young believers
    We will train our blue-eyed men To be young believers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    Rofl, that's amusing. I have nothing invested in helping Trump at all, but clearly you see any attack against anyone who is attacking him as automatically being a fully loaded water carrying act by me, or anyone else. Pretty snide, and ultimately irrelevant.

    Don't play naive man, you're at least somewhat intelligent and aware of how politics and the behind the scenes shit works. You know just as well as I do that websites, facebooks, twitters, youtubes, instagrams, emails and the rest of this internet thing get deleted for basically the same reason every single time they're deleted: The owner of it got put under the spotlight and some damaging material or information became available from the existence of it and their work, career or message was ultimately threatened by the spotlight/sunlight on said material/info.

    This is so routine and so commonplace nowadays that the very act of deleting the website or whatever often turns into a story all by itself, as it did here. So you playing the naive I don't know kid is really out of place and I don't mind calling you out on it personally because if you want to pretend to be dumb for your own peace of mind and ability to lay down to sleep tonight that's fine, but don't try to bring that into a discussion because it's not only really stupid but ultimately really faulty work when someone has displayed enough basic and behind the scenes knowledge of the gamesmanship of politics to establish they know better.

    I already admitted that the way I said the visa thing was incorrect though he is actively promoting and emphasizing his ability to guide people through the process, but it wasn't incorrect that he doesn't have a financial interest in what he was speaking about at the convention, nor is it incorrect that he wasn't using his own sons' death as a means to score political points. You might disagree with me on that, but I don't fucking care.

    People who believe that Sharia should dominate over all other national laws probably shouldn't be helping people immigrate here, for what it's worth.

    Incidentally, no one gives a fuck about Meg Whitman, especially not the Republican Party. You jumping on that like it's some great bit of semi scandalous semi illuminary news is funny. Just about as funny as when that one kid made that thread last week that Obama's brother was in for Trump. Who the fuck cares.
    Mr. Khan went on record tonight on CNN and stated the site was taken down by recommendation of the site administrator do to an excessively high number of hits. It was taken down temporarily until the network traffic is reduced to normal.

    He also went on record as stating Sharia has no place in America, citing constitutional reasons for why it has no place in America. He also denounced any possible connection to or support for any groups who do support Sharia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    Don't play naive man, you're at least somewhat intelligent and aware of how politics and the behind the scenes shit works. You know just as well as I do that websites, facebooks, twitters, youtubes, instagrams, emails and the rest of this internet thing get deleted for basically the same reason every single time they're deleted: The owner of it got put under the spotlight and some damaging material or information became available from the existence of it and their work, career or message was ultimately threatened by the spotlight/sunlight on said material/info.
    This isn't how evidence works. You don't get to say there's something wrong because the web site got taken down. You have to actually figure out what was wrong with the website and make your case based on that. Your just passing around baseless speculation.

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    So Trump likes to claim his business skills makes him a great person to be president. Here is a great but long article that goes into detail of his business dealings. Yet another reason he is unqualified.

    DONALD TRUMP'S MANY BUSINESS FAILURES, EXPLAINED
    So yeah, pretty much what I've been saying much of this time, Trump was a terrible businessman. His early business dealings never went anywhere, and the only reason he got anyone to sign on deals with him early on is that his daddy signed on as a co-signer.

    So daddy supplied his initial money, and then daddy backed up Trump's early business ventures with more of his his own money. Then when Trump failed, daddy threw more money at Trump and bailed him out. When Trump started making money, it was because someone else was running his casinos. When his top executives died in a freak helicopter accident and it fell on Trump to run his casinos, they began losing massive amounts of money.

    Trump is once again back to having others run his businesses, and of course is the only reason he is making money once again.

    When people say "Oh well only four of his businesses have declared banktruptcy out of over a hundred, that's not much!" they have to realize that only about 30% of businesses ever go bankrupt... once. But that's just bankruptcy. I realize that a lot of Republicans don't understand economics in many ways. Many many ways. And this is just another one of those ways. Bankruptcy isn't folding, it's when you need your bills and debts deferred so you can get your company back on its feet. It usually requires some kind of new plan for getting it back on its feet. Far more of Trump's brands and businesses have just straight up folded. No bankruptcy, they just went under as complete failures.

    If it wasn't for daddy's money, Trump would be living in rags and working at McD's.

    This is why I always dare Trumples to look into Trump's past, but know they won't. It's fills with incompetence and the truth. Trump lies. He lies a lot. He's a pathological liar.
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