U.S. Sent Cash to Iran as Americans Were Freed

[TZucchini]

I don't know about Republicans (with a R) but republicans (little r) don't think men and women in service to our country should be put into harm's way and then hung out to dry.

That's a fairly universal opinion held by anyone with a decent set of morals.

But I guess we have to ask if choosing to let American prisoners stay in Iran over $400 million qualifies as "hung out to dry". (That's what Republicans are alleging, anyway.)

[Archmage Alodi]

You just paid your debt...

[TZucchini]

You obviously have no clue what a strawman is

Christ....A strawman occurs when I claim to refute an individuals argument, but all I've actually done is attack and refute an argument that was not put forward by said individual.

What I'm doing in this instance is attempting to draw a comparison between two separate situations.

It's not a strawman. Learn the proper usage please.

It seems like a perfectly valid comparison. Republicans open nine investigation when four Americans are killed in Benghazi. Republicans (at least some of them at present time), accuse the President of paying a ransom by rescuing four American prisoners held in Iran. The resemblance of four Americans in each situation is what I find striking.

[Mayhem]

You just paid your debt...

It´s fun watching americans fight each other over the cause for paying a 37 year old debt.

[Orlong]

But it wasn't for the hostages, and it wasn't even in US dollars.

It wasnt in US dollars because its against US law to transfer US dollars to Iran (also in the article but the OP left it out).

Iranian press reports have quoted senior Iranian defense officials describing the cash as a ransom payment. The Iranian foreign ministry didn’t respond to a request for comment.

The $400 million was paid in foreign currency because any transaction with Iran in U.S. dollars is illegal under U.S. law. Sanctions also complicate Tehran’s access to global banks.

Thats what makes this all the more shady. So we supposedly owe Iran money and dont pay for 30 years, and just so happens we pay it while negotiating the release of prisoners. Nope, doesnt sound shady at all to the democrats

[Citizen T]

That's a fairly universal opinion held by anyone with a decent set of morals.

But I guess we have to ask if choosing to let American prisoners stay in Iran over $400 million qualifies as "hung out to dry". (That's what Republicans are alleging, anyway.)

You're equating people that willingly entered a country on their own to those assigned duty in a foreign county with the presumed backing of the US Government? There is no comparison to these. One group is on their own, the other is an arm of the US Government and should be provided any and all necessary aid since it was their government that put them in that position.

[Machismo]

It wasnt in US dollars because its against US law to transfer US dollars to Iran (also in the article but the OP left it out).



Thats what makes this all the more shady. So we supposedly owe Iran money and dont pay for 30 years, and just so happens we pay it while negotiating the release of prisoners. Nope, doesnt sound shady at all to the democrats

That's exactly what a negotiation is.They have something we want, we have something they want.

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You're equating people that willingly entered a country on their own to those assigned duty in a foreign county with the presumed backing of the US Government? There is no comparison to these. One group is on their own, the other is an arm of the US Government and should be provided any and all necessary aid since it was their government that put them in that position.

The people who went to Benghazi also did so willingly.

[Sunseeker]

So, we owed them money, and we paid them that money in cash to grease the wheels of those soldier's release?

I so don't fucking care.

[Orlong]

But I do find it interesting that four Americans died in Benghazi, and now Republicans (at least a few in Congress) seem to be making a big deal about a possible quid pro quo to rescue another four Americans in Iran.

They should have been rescued through military might instead of ransom. All this does is let the Iranians know its ok to kidnap more Americans whenever they need more money

[Machismo]

They should have been rescued through military might instead of ransom. All this does is let the Iranians know its ok to kidnap more Americans whenever they need more money

We have Americans in prisons in most countries in the world, should we use military might against them all?

[zenkai]

Christ....A strawman occurs when I claim to refute an individuals argument, but all I've actually done is attack and refute an argument that was not put forward by said individual.

What I'm doing in this instance is attempting to draw a comparison between two separate situations.

It's not a strawman. Learn the proper usage please.

It seems like a perfectly valid comparison. Republicans open nine investigation when four Americans are killed in Benghazi. Republicans (at least some of them at present time), accuse the President of paying a ransom by rescuing four American prisoners held in Iran. The resemblance of four Americans in each situation is what I find striking.

ce: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary






Full Definition of straw man

1
: a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted

2
: a person set up to serve as a cover for a usually questionable transaction

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Pretty much your BS argument from the start, I hope you learned something today. It is no way comparable, only a fool would think comparing a hostage situation to a non hostage situation is the same. I understand you are just trying to save face, but just stop.

[Naxere]

But it wasn't for the hostages, and it wasn't even in US dollars.

It's illegal to send Iran U.S. dollars.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-sent...eed-1470181874

The $400 million was paid in foreign currency because any transaction with Iran in U.S. dollars is illegal under U.S. law.

[zenkai]

They should have been rescued through military might instead of ransom. All this does is let the Iranians know its ok to kidnap more Americans whenever they need more money

Exactly, that's the main reason to not negotiate with terrorist. This isn't the first time Obama admin has done this.

[Citizen T]

That's exactly what a negotiation is.They have something we want, we have something they want.

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The people who went to Benghazi also did so willingly.

Sure, "knowing" that they had the backing of their government. Little did they really know.

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So, we owed them money, and we paid them that money in cash to grease the wheels of those soldier's release?

I so don't fucking care.

Just so we're clear... You believe it was ransom but just don't care?

[Mayhem]

Exactly, that's the main reason to not negotiate with terrorist. This isn't the first time Obama admin has done this.

So the americans in question were kidnapped by terrorists?

[Daelak]

It's illegal to send Iran U.S. dollars.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-sent...eed-1470181874

Thanks for the clarification.

[Deleted]

So they are paying debt, and also gets some prisoners with that deal? Seems pretty good?

[Machismo]

Sure, "knowing" that they had the backing of their government. Little did they really know.

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Just so we're clear... You believe it was ransom but just don't care?

The folks who went to Benghazi got dicked over, no doubt about it. They should have never been there, because mixing a diplomatic mission with a clandestine CIA operation was a terrible call to make. It's a perfect representation of our government's bureaucracy, and how it fails the "little guys."

[Deleted]

Pathetic.

As expected from the current adminstration.

[Draco-Onis]

Since the article was going for click bait misleading title they should have went with $1.7 billion dollar bribe to Iran.