Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Vanyali]

How is Trump anymore Fascist in his verbiage than Obama is in his actions? Hell, let's carry that comparison to Trump versus Bush as well.

Please explain.

How about you read the quote he was replying to, which had fuckall to do with Trump and much more to do with his supporters.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

I'll accept your answer in the form of an offhand insult and a cop out.

Take it at whatever. You seem to get rather petty and I want nothing to do with it.

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How about you read the quote he was replying to, which had fuckall to do with Trump and much more to do with his supporters.

Bring me the quote and I'll tell you what I think.

[Vanyali]

Bring me the quote and I'll tell you what I think.

Go read the post you quoted and then come back and explain why you just fucked up hard in the whole reading arena.

I only accept double-spaced and 12pt font.

[Deleted]

You're not going to be convinced, as you believe Trump was not being insulting, no matter what I say.

So instead of pointing out where just about everyone in the Dem party, and a whole lot of the Republicans thought he was being insulting,

Let's just say you're going to disagree with me no matter what I say, and leave it at that, and instead me wasting my time talking to a brick wall, we can move onto another issue, meanwhile 85% of the country sees Trump as insulting, and you can live in your bubble with the other 15% of the country that is far right and defends Trump no matter what he says.

Again - whatever. Please point out EXACTLY what Trump said that YOU claim was insulting. It shouldn't be hard. Quote it. You are the one the made the claim, not me. Justify your claim. Post what he said that was insulting.

[DeadmanWalking]

And this is what Skroe and many others have been saying. Dems have been reaching across the aisle for the last two decades, while conservatives have been about winning and getting their way 100%. "My way or the highway" mentality.

And that's why they're losing. People don't want someone who can't compromise in a position of power. Some conservatives may want an absolutist fascist in power, but most of the rest of the country wants solidarity. Not a divisive demagogue who wants full power.

That is of course looking past the fact that politicians can't go to washington and say, "Okay I am going to get what I want and if you want anything you can fuck off because that is what my constituants want.". It is impossible to get anything done in Washington if you expect to get 100% of what you want and 0% of what they want and if you 'make a deal' like they did in the 80's and 90's your voters kick you out of office for 'making deals with the devil.'


You can't always get what you want.... (let the music roll.)

[infinitemeridian]

Aside from all the other meaningless drivel you just posted, could you please explain how he "insulted" an American citizen? What, he questioned why the mute wife didn't say anything? You mean that he maybe implied she wasn't allowed to say anything (since it is common knowledge that MANY Muslim women are subordinate to their husbands)?. How is that insulting - because he asked WHY she did not say anything? There are THOUSANDS of Gold Star mothers that would have NO problem talking about their sons. I know, she is a special little snowflake that just cannot deal with the pain - yet she had NO problem running her mouth afterwards and vilifying Trump when she was NOT in the public spotlight.

Because he resorted to stereotyping someone based on their belief. All things point to Trump having zero tact, zero emotional connection to anybody. He can't even go out and take 5 minutes to learn that the reason she didn't talk was because she gets emotionally upset when she sees her DEAD SON (Which was explained BEFORE Trump had that interview). He also implied that Khan wasn't speaking from the heart but rather being used by the Clinton Campaign. He then goes on to say that Khan "Viciously" attacked him and denied that he was for the Iraq War (Which is false). The fact that this guy is so easily triggered by stuff like this says a lot about him. If he's president, I imagine 75% of his time will be attempting to create memes and tweets to people who disagree with him ("viciously" attack him in his words). Guess what? It comes with the job of being president. You will get no end of people hating on you and Trump has proven he has not the intellectual or emotional capacity to handle that.

All Trump had to do was simply say, I'm sorry for their loss and leave it at that. He didn't have to bring his wife into it. He didn't have to bring his religion into it.

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Er, there is loads of emails on Wikileaks that says otherwise and Clinton did hire Schultz to her campaign.

...Are we now existing within parallel dimensions or something?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/7...ary-s-campaign

Right because 6 or 7 emails where DNC staffers express their dislike of a candidate who wasn't a democrat until it became convenient for him (all the while spouting anti-DNC rhetoric at his own party) indicates some great conspiracy. Where is the actual proof outside of those e-mails that anybody in the DNC actually sabotaged his campaign? And how did those e-mails themselves do it?

You're grasping at straws here. Bernie lost fair and square.

[DeadmanWalking]

Again - whatever. Please point out EXACTLY what Trump said that YOU claim was insulting. It shouldn't be hard. Quote it. You are the one the made the claim, not me. Justify your claim. Post what he said that was insulting.

Like when he physically mocked the disabled reporter?
Or does he not count?

Like when he insulted every american by alluding to the size of his cock on national TV during the first 5 minutes of a nationally televised Republican Nominee debate?

Like when he said McCain wasn't a hero because he got caught? He likes soldiers who don't get caught?

Like when he said, "My managers said to not insult anyone at the DNC, Donald, they said, You have one job and it is to attack hillary. So I won't insult the former Mayor of NYC, I mean.. I could... I could say he was the worst mayor in the history of NYC.... I could because, well let's face it he was the worst Mayor in the history of NYC, the worst, But I won't attack him. I won't.

He insults citizens all the time, you just chose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your personal political viewpoint and agenda.

[Felya]

How is Trump anymore Fascist in his verbiage than Obama is in his actions? Hell, let's carry that comparison to Trump versus Bush as well.

Please explain.

You think Obama is equally nationalist, authoritarian, isolationist and anti-liberal as Trump? Here, let me know how this resembles Obama and Trump and even Bush:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

[alexw]

LOL! Thanks alexw!

BTW - you didn't use the liberally mandated quota of words that end in -ist when disparaging someone. You need to do better next time.

And I see you did not say something along the lines of "you are wrong, that isn't me and I believe x,y,z, and not what you said". You did not say that because what I've said is correct, and all I've really done is taken your past posts on this board and summed them up.

[Zyster]

And this is what Skroe and many others have been saying. Dems have been reaching across the aisle for the last two decades, while conservatives have been about winning and getting their way 100%. "My way or the highway" mentality.

And that's why they're losing. People don't want someone who can't compromise in a position of power. Some conservatives may want an absolutist fascist in power, but most of the rest of the country wants solidarity. Not a divisive demagogue who wants full power.

Laws. I applaud you for the laugh. Let's not forget the my way or the highway Obama has been for the last 8 years. This is ignoring the flip flopping Hillary does (probably worst in history) to try and win, though EVERYONE knows she won't keep her word.

[Cthulhu 2020]

How is Trump anymore Fascist in his verbiage than Obama is in his actions? Hell, let's carry that comparison to Trump versus Bush as well.

Please explain.

He's using a lot of the same tropes, a lot of the same themes as infamous past fascist dictators and presidents.

He's capitalized on xenophobia of foreigners and fear of minorities. That's a huge one. It's scary that some of his anti-foreigner rhetoric is almost word for word the same as a lot of past fascist dictators.

His tax plan couldn't even keep the lights on in Washington, but excites people that they will barely pay any money to the IRS (even though it would never happen if he wasn't elected). He seems to want total control. He wants to bomb the middle east till it glows. Those are all historical fascist propaganda schemes. He even asked why we can't freely use nukes on our enemies.

Another is his rhetoric that we must "make America great again", that it is somehow in decline, despite every indication that it is most certainly not in decline. You're going to disagree of course, and claim that the country is in decline, but we are improving in just about every single way. If America actually was in decline, and more people were feeling like they were losing their lifestyles, Trump might actually have a much better chance of winning. But he just came at a bad time for using that rhetoric. If he had run in 2012, when we were still recovering from a deep recession and not quite going uphill yet, he might have won. Now in 2016, we are on the uphill slope, so most people cannot relate to "this country sucks and is going downhill".

He's appealing to the people who feel "left behind", the middle class white American who has not gained a whole lot in the last decade. He's painting the current administration as weak, and that the country is in need of a powerful man who can "fix things".

All very popular strategies of past fascists.

But he is different in several ways too, so he is not totally fascist, just scarily similar.

[Matchles]

Hey, I've been gone a few days. How many things has Trump done in that time that would end any other politician's career?

[Pangean]

Because he resorted to stereotyping someone based on their belief. All things point to Trump having zero tact, zero emotional connection to anybody. He can't even go out and take 5 minutes to learn that the reason she didn't talk was because she gets emotionally upset when she sees her DEAD SON (Which was explained BEFORE Trump had that interview). He also implied that Khan wasn't speaking from the heart but rather being used by the Clinton Campaign. He then goes on to say that Khan "Viciously" attacked him and denied that he was for the Iraq War (Which is false). The fact that this guy is so easily triggered by stuff like this says a lot about him. If he's president, I imagine 75% of his time will be attempting to create memes and tweets to people who disagree with him ("viciously" attack him in his words). Guess what? It comes with the job of being president. You will get no end of people hating on you and Trump has proven he has not the intellectual or emotional capacity to handle that.

All Trump had to do was simply say, I'm sorry for their loss and leave it at that. He didn't have to bring his wife into it. He didn't have to bring his religion into it.

Whats interesting is how Trump's action's made Bush the second look so good. When he was faced with a mother who lost her son during the Iraq war, Cindy Sheehan, he responded: "“I sympathize with Mrs. Sheehan,” Bush said. “She feels strongly about her position, and she has every right in the world to say what she believes.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Again - whatever. Please point out EXACTLY what Trump said that YOU claim was insulting. It shouldn't be hard. Quote it. You are the one the made the claim, not me. Justify your claim. Post what he said that was insulting.

I could. He's been very insulting. And he's insulted a lot of people. Voters think he is insulting. You don't. But they do. I could link any number of things where he was being blatantly insulting, and you wouldn't believe me, and we'd just go in circles going "nuh uh" "yeah huh"

So which matters more, what you think, or what prospective voters think?

He can continue to alienate obligatory Republican voters into simply not voting this election, and you can continue to defend and justify his actions.

[Felya]

Again - whatever. Please point out EXACTLY what Trump said that YOU claim was insulting. It shouldn't be hard. Quote it. You are the one the made the claim, not me. Justify your claim. Post what he said that was insulting.

Just last week he said that the mother of the fallen Muslim soldier was forced not to speak at the convention. Couple of days before he wanted a hit on the 'little guy'. Week before that he called Hillary Satan. The week before that he insinuated that both Hillary and Obama are lying about their religion. Weeks before that he called the pope 'disgusting'. His monikers for his opponents were 'lil-Rubio' and 'lyin-ted'. Pick a week...

You don't get to claim that he is both, not anti-PC and also not insulting. The point of PC is to not insult people, which you can claim goes too far, but that is the point. The whole justification for Trump is that he is insulting and doesn't give a shit. You ignoring it, just proves batman right...

[Pangean]

Hey, I've been gone a few days. How many things has Trump done in that time that would end any other politician's career?

Lol more than a few.

[unfilteredJW]

Just last week he said that the mother of the fallen Muslim soldier was forced not to speak at the convention. Couple of days before he wanted a hit on the 'little guy'. Week before that he called Hillary Satan. The week before that he insinuated that both Hillary and Obama are lying about their religion. Weeks before that he called the pope 'disgusting'. His monikers for his opponents were 'lil-Rubio' and 'lyin-ted'. Pick a week...

But that's just telling it like is, which is the most important quality in a president.

[Zyster]

Just last week he said that the mother of the fallen Muslim soldier was forced not to speak at the convention. Couple of days before he wanted a hit on the 'little guy'. Week before that he called Hillary Satan. The week before that he insinuated that both Hillary and Obama are lying about their religion. Weeks before that he called the pope 'disgusting'. His monikers for his opponents were 'lil-Rubio' and 'lyin-ted'. Pick a week...

This is insulting to you? lawls. Must be why you stick your fingers in your ears whenever Hillary speaks, so that you will continue to vote for her. Considering what you just defined as insulting to you.

[Aboubacar]

Hey, I've been gone a few days. How many things has Trump done in that time that would end any other politician's career?

He's done enough that many Republicans have switched their vote to Hillary and many more are on the fence. Paul Ryan has even said if Trump continues he'll "have to put the party values first"

[Cthulhu 2020]

Hey, I've been gone a few days. How many things has Trump done in that time that would end any other politician's career?

He's basically tanked any chance he had of winning, and is making a lot of obligatory Republican voters want to stay home, affecting down-ticket elections now. It's starting to look like Democrats could gain majority in the senate and house again. If Trump keeps it up til November, Democrats could even have a super majority.

Basically he insulted a Muslim man whose son died as a marine for America. Trump could have visited the grave of the son, quietly ignoring the man's claims that Trump had not read the consitution, and placed a flag and flowers on the son's grave, and saluted him in respect for his service to the country. Even though this man was doubting and condemning Trump.

That would have been a single moment that would have possibly won him the election and the hearts of millions.

Instead he decided to be insulting to Khan (the father's) religion by claiming that Khan does not let his wife speak because she is a woman, despite that not being true.

Ransath will of course stand there screaming "HE ISN'T BEING INSULTING". But we like it. Trump can continue doing what he is doing. We like how Trump continues to sink his own ship, and is pulling down the chances of senators and congressmen around him.