Should ex-felon's have the right to vote?

[araine]

And in real democracys even inmates regardless of crime committed are allowed to vote, and it works great in those countries.

[Xeones]

Disenfranchise is the wrong word to use. See post #43 for explanation as to why.

Disenfranchise is the literal definition for it. I don't need to go look at post 43 to tell you that.

[Skalm]

I say they should. They have paid their price to society, no matter how much they have changed, their voices will never be heard in the public arena. Depriving ex-felons of the right to vote alienates certain minorities, who have the deck stacked against them to begin with in the justice system.

Depriving ex-felons of the right to vote gives an unfair advantage to the Republican party. This is because the poor and African Americans tend to vote Democratic.

Disenfranchisement of ex-felons amounts to extra punishment, other Democratic countries do not do this.

Thoughts?

There is no such thing as an 'ex-felon'. Once a felon always a felon (unless the ruling against you is reversed, but this 'felon voting' bs has nothing to do with that).

• Do you want a Convicted Pedophile voting on a law to lower the age of consent for sexual relations, incarcerated or not?
• Do you want Convicted Murderers voting on laws that would reduce punishment for murdering, incarcerated or not?
• Do you want Convicted whatevers voting to remove life sentencing? To Vote for them to be allowed to have weekends out of jail?

C'mon, people need to pull their heads out of their ass. People that commit criminal offenses, especially severe ones should be stripped of all their rights. Everyone complains about the rights of the prisoners. What about the rights of the people they murdered, raped, [Fill in the Blank], etc? Do these victims not have the right to live, to be safe, or to not have some fucking trash to remove their rights?

By giving these pieces of trash rights, you are spitting in the faces of the victims.

[Tyrianth]

And in real democracys even inmates regardless of crime committed are allowed to vote, and it works great in those countries.

The only crime I can see disenfranchisment being a legitimate punishment is voter fraud or other crimes that undermine democracy.

[Holofernes]

i am baffled of this discussion. In my country, prison inmates are escorted to voting places, or get a day off from prison to be able to vote (obv. not the murderer, the dangerous ones get escorted), as it is seen as a duty and as basic democratic right of any human to vote.

They cannot be candidate for several offices though as long as they are in Prison (President), but can after they have served their sentence and their History is deleted (depends on crime for this to occur).

But denying a citizen who happen to be a criminal the right to vote?
A country that does this cannot state its a Democracy- end.

[Daymanmb]

Absolutely. Like most other Nations do. This is a way to stifle freedom of speech and a way to punish people repeatedly for crimes they may have already served punishment for.

[Tyrianth]

There is no such thing as an 'ex-felon'. Once a felon always a felon (unless the ruling against you is reversed, but this 'felon voting' bs has nothing to do with that).

• Do you want a Convicted Pedophile voting on a law to lower the age of consent for sexual relations, incarcerated or not?
• Do you want Convicted Murderers voting on laws that would reduce punishment for murdering, incarcerated or not?
• Do you want Convicted whatevers voting to remove life sentencing? To Vote for them to be allowed to have weekends out of jail?

C'mon, people need to pull their heads out of their ass. People that commit criminal offenses, especially severe ones should be stripped of all their rights. Everyone complains about the rights of the prisoners. What about the rights of the people they murdered, raped, [Fill in the Blank], etc? Do these victims not have the right to live, to be safe, or to not have some fucking trash to remove their rights?

By giving these pieces of trash rights, you are spitting in the faces of the victims.

You must live in a pretty shitty and unstable country if giving felons, especially ones that have rehabilitated and reintegrated, their right to vote back can have such a large and negative impact on your voting outcomes...

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i am baffled of this discussion. In my country, prison inmates are escorted to voting places, or get a day off from prison to be able to vote (obv. not the murderer, the dangerous ones get escorted), as it is seen as a duty and as basic democratic right of any human to vote.

They cannot be candidate for several offices though as long as they are in Prison (President), but can after they have served their sentence and their History is deleted (depends on crime for this to occur).

But denying a citizen who happen to be a criminal the right to vote?
A country that does this cannot state its a Democracy- end.

Not everyone can live in such a free nation! Same deal here in Canada though, not sure how they do it. I assumed they just setup a voting booth in the prisons.

[Daymanmb]

There is no such thing as an 'ex-felon'. Once a felon always a felon (unless the ruling against you is reversed, but this 'felon voting' bs has nothing to do with that).

• Do you want a Convicted Pedophile voting on a law to lower the age of consent for sexual relations, incarcerated or not?
• Do you want Convicted Murderers voting on laws that would reduce punishment for murdering, incarcerated or not?
• Do you want Convicted whatevers voting to remove life sentencing? To Vote for them to be allowed to have weekends out of jail?

C'mon, people need to pull their heads out of their ass. People that commit criminal offenses, especially severe ones should be stripped of all their rights. Everyone complains about the rights of the prisoners. What about the rights of the people they murdered, raped, [Fill in the Blank], etc? Do these victims not have the right to live, to be safe, or to not have some fucking trash to remove their rights?

By giving these pieces of trash rights, you are spitting in the faces of the victims.

You spout a lot of fear. All of it is bullshit.

[Xeones]

There is no such thing as an 'ex-felon'. Once a felon always a felon (unless the ruling against you is reversed, but this 'felon voting' bs has nothing to do with that).

• Do you want a Convicted Pedophile voting on a law to lower the age of consent for sexual relations, incarcerated or not?
• Do you want Convicted Murderers voting on laws that would reduce punishment for murdering, incarcerated or not?
• Do you want Convicted whatevers voting to remove life sentencing? To Vote for them to be allowed to have weekends out of jail?

C'mon, people need to pull their heads out of their ass. People that commit criminal offenses, especially severe ones should be stripped of all their rights. Everyone complains about the rights of the prisoners. What about the rights of the people they murdered, raped, [Fill in the Blank], etc? Do these victims not have the right to live, to be safe, or to not have some fucking trash to remove their rights?

By giving these pieces of trash rights, you are spitting in the faces of the victims.

This is straight up fear mongering not a reasonable stance.

[Rakoth]

There is no such thing as an 'ex-felon'. Once a felon always a felon (unless the ruling against you is reversed, but this 'felon voting' bs has nothing to do with that).

• Do you want a Convicted Pedophile voting on a law to lower the age of consent for sexual relations, incarcerated or not?
• Do you want Convicted Murderers voting on laws that would reduce punishment for murdering, incarcerated or not?
• Do you want Convicted whatevers voting to remove life sentencing? To Vote for them to be allowed to have weekends out of jail?

C'mon, people need to pull their heads out of their ass. People that commit criminal offenses, especially severe ones should be stripped of all their rights. Everyone complains about the rights of the prisoners. What about the rights of the people they murdered, raped, [Fill in the Blank], etc? Do these victims not have the right to live, to be safe, or to not have some fucking trash to remove their rights?

By giving these pieces of trash rights, you are spitting in the faces of the victims.

Deep Breaths. Prison is meant to rehabilitate. If they cannot be rehabilitated, then you keep them locked up.

Simple concept. Committing a crime, does not make you an animal. Especially when the justice system itself does not treat everyone equally (the poor and minorities have a much rougher go at it).

[Tyrianth]

Deep Breaths. Prison is meant to rehabilitate. If they cannot be rehabilitated, then you keep them locked up.

Simple concept. Committing a crime, does not make you an animal. Especially when the justice system itself does not treat everyone equally (the poor and minorities have a much rougher go at it).

Of course it doesn't treat everyone equally! Gotta keep the undesirables from voting.

[Kujako]

Prison is meant to rehabilitate.

Not here in the US! We're still embracing the "penitentiary" model where people are supposed to be penitent before God. Thus small cells, with small windows, minimum requirements to sustain life, no more. No rehabilitation anywhere in the process.

[Daymanmb]

Of course it doesn't treat everyone equally! Gotta keep the undesirables from voting.

There you have it! just a matter of time before some one said it..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statis...American_males

[Stacyrect]

How is he out of prison? If he was deemed insane, then recovering from mental ilillness is definitely not a good reason to lose voting rights.

If he's still in prison, fine he can't vote.

If he got a lesser charge, that's on the prosecutor.

Otherwise this fictitious person has every right to vote for whatever he wants as much as an oil executive voting to kill the EPA or a banker wanting less restrictions on banks

Funny enough, I don't follow that shit. I just think it's funny you think that someone who has sought and seeks to alienate our way of life deserves a vote for the rest of us to whom which he has been locked away from. Do you really want armed felons arguing for less time on bullets in their clips? For possession of weapons?

Whatever your answer is, the ironic shit is that the prisons would hand out leaflets supporting them, fully propagandized, like more funding for prisons= bigger commisary list, more cable tv channels, more req time, etc etc.

Nothing you'd want would actually make the list

[darkwarrior42]

There is no such thing as an 'ex-felon'. Once a felon always a felon (unless the ruling against you is reversed, but this 'felon voting' bs has nothing to do with that).

• Do you want a Convicted Pedophile voting on a law to lower the age of consent for sexual relations, incarcerated or not?
• Do you want Convicted Murderers voting on laws that would reduce punishment for murdering, incarcerated or not?
• Do you want Convicted whatevers voting to remove life sentencing? To Vote for them to be allowed to have weekends out of jail?

C'mon, people need to pull their heads out of their ass. People that commit criminal offenses, especially severe ones should be stripped of all their rights. Everyone complains about the rights of the prisoners. What about the rights of the people they murdered, raped, [Fill in the Blank], etc? Do these victims not have the right to live, to be safe, or to not have some fucking trash to remove their rights?

By giving these pieces of trash rights, you are spitting in the faces of the victims.

Do you believe there are so many people in the country that would vote on these things that the ex-felons would be able to swing the balance? "Vote" doesn't mean "write the law".

I'm honestly shocked that people like you and Zombergy aren't advocating just killing all felons to be done with it... or do you avoid advocating such things so you can maintain a pretense of moral superiority and a sense of self-righteousness?

[Stacyrect]

There you have it! just a matter of time before some one said it..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statis...American_males

Go to court on a monday morning, 99% of people are locked for up for possession of narcotics, DUI, and domestic violence. Believe me, the only thing that separated me from blacks in regards to domestic violence was having a lawyer

[Tyrianth]

There you have it! just a matter of time before some one said it..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statis...American_males

What's your point? That those living in poverty are more likely to commit a crime?

Hate to burst your bubble, but the colour of your skin doesn't make you more or less prone to criminal behaviour. It does however make you more prone to poverty.

[Stacyrect]

Do you believe there are so many people in the country that would vote on these things that the ex-felons would be able to swing the balance? "Vote" doesn't mean "write the law".

I'm honestly shocked that people like you and Zombergy aren't advocating just killing all felons to be done with it... or do you avoid advocating such things so you can maintain a pretense of moral superiority and a sense of self-righteousness?

What makes you think any of them would vote for anything outside what the prison staff wants them to vote for? Bigger salary increases, etc etc. You think people serving time give a fuck about the outside, NOPE

[Tyrianth]

What makes you think any of them would vote for anything outside what the prison staff wants them to vote for? Bigger salary increases, etc etc. You think people serving time give a fuck about the outside, NOPE

How do you know what people in prison "give a fuck" about? Do people in prison not have loved ones? Do the laws of their country still not impact them when they're released? Do the laws of their country not impact them while not imprisoned?

[Shugnight]

They already can vote lol just not while in jail or prison. There is no such thing as an ex felon you are or or not one. I live in CA 2 felonies I can vote. Sick thread though SJW.