Chicago Police kill unarmed black teenager

[Darkeon]

So you can only kill someone with a gun?????

And when directly under fire; Better yet, if it's known the bullet will hit, otherwise it could be just a warning shot for the policeman to back off.

that regressive logic, right?

[Jtbrig7390]

And the USA deserves BLM (and their riots) if they believe this is proper police conduct.

BLM was founded on a lie and backed up by more lies. A quick google search proves this. But hey u want to defend a hate group that's your right.

[Ealyssa]

Any life lost is sad but the media never reports that more whites are killed by police, blacks kill more unarmed blacks than cops do so why is this even a story? Never a story on black on black crimes.

The media are such hypocrites.

Because a criminal commiting a crime is, sadly, normal.
It's when the police is acting like criminals that we have a problem.

Abnormal behavior is obviously more newsworthy. And you should be glad that police acting badly is considered abnormal.

[Masark]

No. They go to the "academy" for six months

Actually, it's typically less than that.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, average length of training for police is 761 hours (19 weeks, assuming standard 40-hour weeks). 1/3rd of programs require field training in addition to class work, which averages 453 hours (11.3 weeks).

Page 6, table 10. Table 11 gives a breakdown of the course hours.

According to what I can find, the extreme ends of the spectrum are California (888 hours) and Georgia (408 hours).

Save the outrage for when non-criminals get pasted.

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."

[Jtbrig7390]

You aren't the judge or the jury and what he did isn't punishable by death, as many others have CLEARLY pointed out to you. Get it through your skull. You don't get to decide his punishment and neither do the police.

Nope he decided it when he kept making the wrong choice... fuckem he wasn't worth the bullet they wasted on him and now hes no longer a problem for anyone else.

[May90]

It was justfied by the fact he done tried to kill the cops once and it was unknown if he had a weapon.

If he hit some kid playing in the street people would be asking for his head, but because the only people he tried to harm was cops people blame the cops.

I mean, shooting him right after he tried to run over the cops makes sense. Shooting him once he left the car though, unless there was a reasonable suspicion that he might use a gun as well - is overkill.

[Ulmita]

Now this is when I am on the Police's side. This person had stole a very expensive car though I can see that the Police acted out of fear so they shot the man while he was on foot not knowing if he was armed or not for safety reasons. He had died later after EMT arrived. For one, do not steal someone's stuff. You basically asked for this to happen. I pray for the Police to not go through jail or lose their job.

Are you fucking serious or are you trying to troll us? Death penalty for theft? What the actual fuck are you saying man?
Kid most probably start running because of the black safari season that is lately open in the USA and feared about its life.

The policemen that were involved in the shooting need to go through trial for voluntary man slaughter PERIOD.

[Tradewind]

Actually, it's typically less than that.






"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."

How is stealing cars and being a general shitheel "fighting for freedom"? Plenty of people get by with maintaining their freedom without committing numerous felonies in a short time span.

Or is there something else to this?

[Super Kami Dende]

And nothing of Value was lost. Another Criminal removed from society. Really have no sympathy for these stories anymore.

[Skulltaker]

I think this is a rather difficult situation...

Neither factions heere are completly wrong, or innocent. But both of them conducted in an understandable fashion. Except for the theft of the car, that is. Unacceptable. And this also shows perfectly what a big problem in america is right now. You guys only know black and white. There is no middle ground.

Was this guy a felon who commited a crime? Yes. Did he endanger himself and innocent people? Yes. Did he deserve to be shot? No. Is the police to be blamed? No.

Him running and not stopping is quiet understandable. With al the unnecessary killings of black perpetrators the past years he must have feared for his life. Like a hunted animal, he flees. On the other hand, the cops, who had their lives endangered doing their duty are rightfully afraid that he might be armed (with a firearm, not counting the car, which can be weaponized) and might open fire on them. With guns at every corner and recent shootings an understandable fear.

What is painfully obvious is that Chicago police needs more training. Half of these guys look as if they aren't close to ready to be policemen. Also, someone pointed out that they almost got caught in each others fire, which probably resulted in them assuming he shot at them.

As painful as it is to say, in the current state of things, the officers probably did the most reasonable thing, if not the best thing. But serious steps should be taken to change the atmosphere over there, because otherwise this will only get worse. Was the guy innocent? No. He stole a car and accepted the fact that he might seriously hurt or kill the officers. Did he deserve to be shot for it? No, I don't think so.

And nothing of Value was lost. Another Criminal removed from society. Really have no sympathy for these stories anymore.

Don't you think that thinking like this is a problem? That you as a society have devolved so far that you'd rather kill people off instead of helping them? The Kid stole a car. If he was a rapist or a murderer I'd probably support the notion, I think many countries are somewhat to lax with these guys, but stealing a car? I mean he behaved like a real asshole, that's for sure, and it was a good amount of luck that he didn't run anyone over, but still.

[BannedForViews]

Since there is no way to ever know if anyone is armed, you are in favor of the police being able to shoot anyone at any time? Cause fear? Seems like a bad idea to me...

The police are allowed to open fire if they believe the suspect to be a potential danger to others. He hit multiple things and fled after committing grand theft auto. If they feel he might harm others if they pursue him into a crowded area, they have cause.

[BannedForViews]

And nothing of Value was lost. Another Criminal removed from society. Really have no sympathy for these stories anymore.

some dudes Jag got busted up. I shed a tear.

[Ulmita]

I think this is a rather difficult situation...

Neither factions heere are completly wrong, or innocent. But both of them conducted in an understandable fashion. Except for the theft of the car, that is. Unacceptable. And this also shows perfectly what a big problem in america is right now. You guys only know black and white. There is no middle ground.

Was this guy a felon who commited a crime? Yes. Did he endanger himself and innocent people? Yes. Did he deserve to be shot? No. Is the police to be blamed? No.

Him running and not stopping is quiet understandable. With al the unnecessary killings of black perpetrators the past years he must have feared for his life. Like a hunted animal, he flees. On the other hand, the cops, who had their lives endangered doing their duty are rightfully afraid that he might be armed (with a firearm, not counting the car, which can be weaponized) and might open fire on them. With guns at every corner and recent shootings an understandable fear.

What is painfully obvious is that Chicago police needs more training. Half of these guys look as if they aren't close to ready to be policemen. Also, someone pointed out that they almost got caught in each others fire, which probably resulted in them assuming he shot at them.

As painful as it is to say, in the current state of things, the officers probably did the most reasonable thing, if not the best thing. But serious steps should be taken to change the atmosphere over there, because otherwise this will only get worse. Was the guy innocent? No. He stole a car and accepted the fact that he might seriously hurt or kill the officers. Did he deserve to be shot for it? No, I don't think so.

I almost agree with your PoV, however i lost you here:

On the other hand, the cops, who had their lives endangered doing their duty are rightfully afraid that he might be armed (with a firearm, not counting the car, which can be weaponized) and might open fire on them.

This is the big problem with Americans. They shoot and then they ask questions. Why open fire if the suspect is just running? Why open fire if the suspect isn't firing at them or anyone else? Why fire if the suspect hasn't endangered anyone else life and he is just running away? In most countries that cop would have lost his job already and be in a course for trials.

The shoot first and ask questions later mentality of the US needs to change.

[bladeXcrasher]

And the USA deserves BLM (and their riots) if they believe this is proper police conduct.

The entire world needs to pay reparations to the African American Community, because they used slave cotton from the South. If you don't you deserve BLM in your country.

[Masark]

How is stealing cars and being a general shitheel "fighting for freedom"? Plenty of people get by with maintaining their freedom without committing numerous felonies in a short time span.

Or is there something else to this?

You are not reading the quote correctly.

The quote is saying that "fighting for freedom" regularly involves defending scoundrels (e.g. the guy who got shot), as those wishing to oppress will start with those scoundrels, and then expand to everyone else, and therefore, they need to be stopped at the beginning before their ideas get momentum.

[Tradewind]

Mencken was an influential journalist and social critic.

Criticism on the events can be seen as 'fighting for' the right for people not to get unnecessarily shot by police officers. Sure, the guy that got shot was doing a lot of dumb shit, but I've seen lots of uni kids doing worse in my days, just drunk on alcohol or drunk on youthfulness deciding to do something daring etc. I've seen uni kids running away from the cops when they were shouted at to stop after stealing bottles of vodka from a liquor store, all these dudes graduated and are top managers in their business now.* So I'm kinda open for the idea that this was just a uni kid doing something stupid and panicking when the cops started to aggressively pursue him.

He no longer posed a lethal threat once he left the vehicle, thus lethal force was not acceptable. We can argue that the cops were confused because they heard shooting (which were the other cops), but that just points to a serious lack of communication that shouldn't be there. The conduct of the cops was seriously flawed and it should be vehemently criticized.

*If the cops here were as badly trained as in the US they might've been dead instead I suppose?

It's easy to criticize from a chair safe at home. What ever happened to "walking a mile in someone else's shoes" if we're just going to chalk every incident up as an opportunity to toss out quotes and such.

[Skulltaker]

I almost agree with your PoV, however i lost you here:



This is the big problem with Americans. They shoot and then they ask questions. Why open fire if the suspect is just running? Why open fire if the suspect isn't firing at them or anyone else? Why fire if the suspect hasn't endangered anyone else life and he is just running away? In most countries that cop would have lost his job already and be in a course for trials.

The shoot first and ask questions later mentality of the US needs to change.

Yes, but it isn't the rest of t he world. You have to deal with the situation you got and not the one you wish for.

I wouldn't want to be a police officer in the US. There is, for whatever reason, an alarming level of violence there, and you literally have no idea if the guy who just stole some grannys purse 'might be packin'. If you drive a car this reckless, you are dangerous. Imagine if he turned a corner and ran over a mother with her child. Then the question would have been asked 'why didn't policee try to stop him?' You can't win this. They took the most drastic way to stop him and prevented him from endangering anyone else. Imagine he crashed into a Kindergarden, Schoolbus, whatever. Even if it is one bystander, the police will get blamed. There is no way out, you're always the bad guy. That doesn'T mean that every shooting by the police is ok. It isn't. But you cannot start by changing the police, you'd have to change society first. You gotta have police that is capable of doing what is necessary, as saddening as that fact is.

It's easy to criticize from a chair safe at home. What ever happened to "walking a mile in someone else's shoes" if we're just going to chalk every incident up as an opportunity to toss out quotes and such.

This. As sad as it is, but if I'd been one of these officers I could not say with certainty I would have acted otherwise. They were scared. And I can see why.

[Tradewind]

You are not reading the quote correctly.

The quote is saying that "fighting for freedom" regularly involves defending scoundrels (e.g. the guy who got shot), as those wishing to oppress will start with those scoundrels, and then expand to everyone else, and therefore, they need to be stopped at the beginning before their ideas get momentum.

Maybe it's the early hours to watch some Olympic action . But what the fuck? People coming down on the criminal are just doing it so they can go on to oppress others? That's some malarkey...

At what point did idiots become absolved of any responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

[Ulmita]

Yes, but it isn't the rest of t he world. You have to deal with the situation you got and not the one you wish for.

I wouldn't want to be a police officer in the US. There is, for whatever reason, an alarming level of violence there, and you literally have no idea if the guy who just stole some grannys purse 'might be packin'. If you drive a car this reckless, you are dangerous. Imagine if he turned a corner and ran over a mother with her child. Then the question would have been asked 'why didn't policee try to stop him?' You can't win this. They took the most drastic way to stop him and prevented him from endangering anyone else. Imagine he crashed into a Kindergarden, Schoolbus, whatever. Even if it is one bystander, the police will get blamed. There is no way out, you're always the bad guy. That doesn'T mean that every shooting by the police is ok. It isn't. But you cannot start by changing the police, you'd have to change society first. You gotta have police that is capable of doing what is necessary, as saddening as that fact is.

100% flawed logic. You can't judge people or condemn them for something they haven't done, or for something they "might" do. This is some N.K way of thinking there friend.

[lockedout]

It doesn't matter if you have to keep chasing him for a day or two, trading cops out as you go. If you still have a shot at effecting the arrest without using lethal force, you can not use lethal force.

LOl this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.