I'll grant you maybe the other two, but as for the book(s), we must have read two different Richard Knaak trilogies, because in the one I read, Illidan comes off as a whiny, arrogant, immature little bitch (and yes dudes can be bitches!) next to his brother, Malfurion the Messiah *cue Hallelujah chorus*.
He did get a free pass, even after all the terrible things he did in outland clueless fans come and yell: "There was no reason to attack Illidan, he did nothing wrong" etc, and then when he "dies" he gets resurrect out of fanservice.
Oh boo fucking hoo, he endured crap, what about all the lives he has made into crap for his mad quest for power?
the 10K sentence wasnt for killing 2 people, it was for stealing from the well, the well which had earlier almost destroyed the entire world. I see that as a fair judgement.
Illidian's methods may be effective as far as destryoing the Legion is concerned, but it will be a phyrric victory at best.
In the end, my problem is with someone said early in this post, no one cares what he does, he can slaughter thousands of people and no one bats an eye, and in the end as someone said, I'll be it will be; "Even though I made so many suffer, without me we would never stand here today! I do not deserve to be punished!"
A better story as said would again be "My crimes made this day happen, but they cannot go unpunished, so I am willing to go back into prison" or something
In the end his story ends up with jelousy and wanting to exceed his brother in everywhere and eventually failing, his methods of doing so however is rather evil if you'd ask me. In all honesty, his quests seems to be just as much as getting power, and Tyrande's affection, as fighting the burning legion, kinda reminds me of a spoiled brat.
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He died dude. He paid !! and you know what's been happening to him since right - he's been on the run in the twisting nether - whatever crimes he commited in trying to save everyone, he certainly has paid. He certainly paid many times over via his incarceration for 10k years, and that was an imprisonment for doing something that he didn't do - he didn't set up the new well to call the legion back. He did kill some guards when he lost control, but according to custom, the injured party had the right to determine his fate, and he was spared death for that crime, and imprisoned instead, he long since served out that sentence, but was kept because they thought he was trying to call the legion back.
After freedom, he continues to work to achieve his vendetta against the legion, and does some wrong things which he rightly deserved to pay for thos - but do not forget that Illidan does pay for those.. he dies. His operations are completely dismantled, although that hurts US far more than we realize cos those operations were targeted at destroying the legion. Yet it's all gone he pays.
In the meantime, he learns some humility and gains some perspective. So you are saying because a person can find redemption, and learn well from mistakes, and despite his good intentions and pure heart to do rightly, he should continue to be hated and suffer even after paying the ultimate price? that's just blind vengeance man.
Maiev is Illidan's mirror, both are obsessed with their goal and will go to any length to achieve it. Both are quite bitchy, but considering their respective perspectives you can see where they come from.
well Illidan is more of a dick, but in a way that has its charm, Maiev is plain out bitch, she is a bit more likeable when you meet her in Legion tho. Now that she has been forced to work with demon hunters and done the impossible now worked with them.. i wonder if discovering her home (Suramar ) survived has anything to do with it, and survied because of magic too.
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I'd still totally play a Warden if the class was available.
it's possible, but change is incoming for Maiev.. she really got lost after Illidan hunt finished, went off, and has found herself enough. - but the story of that hasn't been told.
Up till when she interacts with khadgar, she still seems very anti-magic.. but what is the source of that...? Anti-demon i can understand, but anti-magic..?
it all ties in with what happened during the sundering - she blames magic as much as the legion -- but why? becuase she lost everything.. what did she lose.. SURAMAR - her home her family and loved ones.
but now she is about to discover, that she didn't lose them, Suramar was saved, and saved by magic too, and her family survives. Sure anyone will be disgusted at the nightfallen withered, mindless creatures, magic warped, but that has it's own story, and it might seriously affect her when she finds out her family and friends survived, and it was thanks to magic and the nightwell
she has finally had to accept that demon hunters aren't the same as the Legion, they genuinely want it destoryed at all costs, all of this has got to penetrate all that pain and change her somewhat.. at least redirect her hatred from her nightborne kin (possibly family members) and demon hunters who are actually fighting the legion too.
It's certainly worth exploring this transformation, it would be nice, to see Maiev's bitchiness turn from her arcane elven kin and DHs to actually the Legion.
When is she going to realize she's in love with Illidan.... gosh that would be something !!!! Illidan and Maiev! And what if Tyrande still has feelings... ! No one has explored how night elves behave in this situation. Always doing "the right" thing, but would they let emotions and love casue friction...would Illidan have feelings for Maiev? would Tyrande fall for Illidan - i'm sure they'd write that Mother Moon gave her a glimpse of his future. and she has slept with him
It wasn't merely about suramar though, it was about the entire world being sundered, sure suramar survived but Maiev is no rational individual, never was and never will be, she is driven by emotion and her own personal values, she utterly loathes highborne and their descendants, which is why she tried to kill them in Darnassus and didn't even consider the only faction in shattrath that was actually willing to help her against Illidan, the scryers.
Despite the fact that she desperately needed help to defeat Illidan, her one real purpose in life and that is telling quite something. I can see her using the demon hunters,magi and highborne as tools against the legion but nothing more nothing less. Maiev is too driven by hatred, it basically sustains her.
I think this is brilliantly said, better than I could have expressed Illidans story before Legion lore, his redemption story could be well done. Like.... wow well said....
In fact I think you just switched my DH's 2nd back to Kayn from Altruis, well played sir.
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Maiev doesn't really have an overriding goal. At least there's meaning to what Illidan is doing.
Let's say Maiev captures Illidan again. Yay? What does that accomplish. She seems to not care about the Burning Legion that much.
Illidan at least wants to destroy it. So that's a worthy end to chase.
They both are assholes. People have always liked Illidan, I don't know why, he is prideful, jealous, and obsessed with power. The thing is people dismiss Illidans evil as trying to do the right thing, which Maiev was trying to do too, she just happened to be wrong like all of us. Illidan is a bad guy, don't be surprised if later we find out Illidan was manipulated by the Old Gods to kill the only enemy that could destroy them and Void Lords. Strangely, Sargeras and Illidans stories are similar, both create armies in evil ways to destroy a more evil threat. That would be hilarious if future lore was like, "Sargeras was always right, his army was the only one that could defeat the Void Lords."
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Except his goal has never been to build an army to defeat the Void Lords. His goal is to root out and extinguish all life on all worlds to make sure there is no possible chance that a planet with a world-soul can exist. That is because a Void-corrupted Titan would essentially mean the end of the universe.
Once he is sure that all life has been done away with, he intends to rule over the destroyed universe as it is.
Because in Sargeras' theory, if life could bloom out of nothing before, it can appear out of nothing again. Even if he is to destroy everything in the universe, it might not remain empty forever. Life might one day appear again - this time untainted, he'd protect it with more care and remove any corruption from the Void before they can spread. He is pretty much trying to press the reset button because he concluded that the corruption had spread too far.
In comparison, if a Void Titan is born, he'd be (according to the Nathrezim) pretty much undefeatable. He'd then consume everything to bring every creations under the Void Lords' will. The entire universe will be consumed or turned into a twisted void-corrupted hell forever, even if new life are born. An eternally corrupted hell, basically.
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