Pre-patch cinematics [spoilers] (duh)

[Malacrass]

Blizzard really created an amazing villain with Gul'dan.

Now, resurrect Zul'jin and let him reunite the Troll tribes.

[Rend Blackhand]

Thankfully not, but look at our outposts in WoD. We regressed. Honestly though, I doubt they shelve the Tribal theme entirely

In my view, the Iron Horde is the perfect incarnation of the horde. Highly industrialised, good infrastructure with railways and factories, backed by shamanistic magic and each clan with its own identity within the larger horde.

We need Iron Orgrimmar

[Combatbutler]

That giant Golem, was only summoned because the Alliance retreated.

What makes you think that gul'dan couldn't have just dropped it on them, the legion was two steps ahead of both the Alliance and horde, it had laid that trap even before the troops landed, which you learn during the rogue class campaign

[Al Gorefiend]

You are wrong my friend, Anime is THE best writing and storytelling. You shouldn't judge something you clearly havn't watched/read.

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That giant Gole, was only summoned because the Alliance fled.

Always wary of calling cartoons that are churned out in the masses with similar art and wacky comic relief characters good writing or storytelling.
That's what Vol'Jin is in Anime, that wacky comic relief character like team rocket

[Rend Blackhand]

Blizzard really created an amazing villain with Gul'dan.

I enjoyed Gul'Dan's psychotic facial expressions and evil laugh, reminded me of Emperor Palpatine a bit.

[draigo]

Vol'jin's death sucks. Varyan got a honorable death while Vol'jin died because of a shitty attack.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The Valkyre are the the DD's

you're drunk its time to come home


*vol'ji* "im fine"

[grondik]

ON THE FRONTLINES

Your attitude makes me think you play a melee-dps. Probably a warrior. Ever tried a support role to broaden your horizins on tactics?

[Raetary]

Yes against a small pocket force. Weaklings.
Meanwhile the Alliance was ON THE FRONTLINES, fighting the main force and noo ne got injured.

Please watch the cinematic again and read your ignorant post.

i really dont get what cinematic you were watching, but the the horde got overwhelmed up there, hell, thrall was crawling on the ground, vol'jin got stabbed, baine was struggling, the only left standing was slyvanas and her archers, and the only reason why alliance could survive down there longer than the horde was because sylvanas's ranger covered them from the ridge, with them gone they were fucked, hence why genn said "without the horde, we'll be overrun", the horde were literally babysitting them while dealing with their own problem at the same time up there!
and lol, "small pocket force", please go and do the broken shore scenario yourself, that wasnt a "small pocket force", there were as many demons up there as down by the alliance.
and you call me ignorant?

[Combatbutler]

Vol'jin's death sucks. Varyan got a honorable death while Vol'jin died because of a shitty attack.

Just a reminder that named chars are still mortal, like anyone else.

[Arrashi]

Seeing as Anime is the lowest form of writing and storytelling, I'm not shocked Vol'Jin compares to it.

Exactly that ! God forbid he had a real character or personality. But hey, he is gone so we can rest knowing his reign of failure is over.

[Al Gorefiend]

In my view, the Iron Horde is the perfect incarnation of the horde. Highly industrialised, good infrastructure with railways and factories, backed by shamanistic magic and each clan with its own identity within the larger horde.

We need Iron Orgrimmar

Iron Orgrimmar looked fierce, like the Horde was a true war machine. A bunch of mud huts of bone and wood look like a fair breeze would knock them over. It perfectly contrasted Stormwind.

[Rend Blackhand]

Vol'jin's death sucks. Varyan got a honorable death while Vol'jin died because of a shitty attack.

He was a shitty character with a very forced and undeserved reign over the horde, he deserved a shitty death.

[Arrashi]

What makes you think that gul'dan couldn't have just dropped it on them, the legion was two steps ahead of both the Alliance and horde, it had laid that trap even before the troops landed, which you learn during the rogue class campaign

Something tells me he tried. But his aim is as crooked as his spine.

[Raetary]

Blizzard really created an amazing villain with Gul'dan.

i agree, that one is more interesting than our gul'dan imo.

[Deleted]

I thought it was interesting that Sylvanas lifted Vol'jin with a single arm, which confirms she's very strong, not physically but due to unholy strength (or something) as a banshee.

[yango]

hell, that quality of these cinematics, wohoooo

Sylvanas looks incredible. Everything looked so badass. Seeing Thrall on the ground was sooooooooo goood. He should just retire.
Voljin man, sad moment, think blizz didnt do a good job with him, his role in MoP and SoO was fine, but after that there was nothing.
Now we have Sylvanas, I will hope she will calm down and dont get the way of Garrosh.

I think if Anduin is the new Leader, Baine would be an awesome match. There would be peace, but the other Leader would fuck things up xD
Would love a book about Baine, man I love Tauren and he is so calm and can handle everything so well. It may look boring but I want a guy like Cairne back.

So, the cinematics were really great, I want more of them, moooooooreeeee. I hope blizz will work well on the lore for time with legion, cause now we can have good lore back.

[nVIDIA]

You can see that on the Alliance side, they had the upper hand and were winning. The Horde, however, were being pushed back and had many people severely wounded. On top of that, a new wave of demons were coming. There was no possibility of winning. Staying meant death, and nothing more. So what is the better option? Stay and die for nothing, or retreat, regroup and try to figure out a way to fight the legion?

The Alliance did the same thing. Once they Horde retreated, the Alliance no longer had to upper hand. Staying would only result in needless death, so they too retreated. This was an unwinnable battle.

Unwinnable battle?
So why horde didn't retreated in battle of icecrown ? there wasn't hope either, but with tirion last call we did it.
There is no honor in horde since siege of orgrimmar, a abandoned faction with lack of leadership.

[Combatbutler]

Something tells me he tried. But his aim is as crooked as his spine.

Considering how fat that thing was it wouldn't have mattered where he threw that Eva ;P

[Zarc]

Sylvanas asks for people to avenge Vol'jin, first close up shot from the crowd shows a yelling Orc with the Kor'kron armor + tabard from Garroshs True Horde.

Hey! That tabard is clearly a symbol of "Orc Pride"! Not at all racist or associated with Orc supremacy in any way.