Pre-patch cinematics [spoilers] (duh)

[Sarethion]

I wonder what Varian wanted the damn gunship to do? Just fire at the portal, hoping it would break? Provide extra firepower while they stormed the portal? Or maybe.. Slam itself into it Tassadar-style (that would be cool as f...ck, imo)?

[nnelson54]

Sylvanas asks for people to avenge Vol'jin, first close up shot from the crowd shows a yelling Orc with the Kor'kron armor + tabard from Garroshs True Horde.

Garrosh didn't create the Kor'kron and they weren't any more loyal to him than they were to Thrall or - presumably, since they haven't played a visible role since MoP - Vol'jin and Sylvanas. Some of the Kor'kron even testified against him in War Crimes.

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Cinematics were awesome

for Broken Shore SPOILERS + Rogue Campaign spoilers
1. Alliance-Horde united to defeat Legion
2. Alliance sent SI:7 to shores for some recon
3. SI:7 foudn that Legion laid a trap, but certain dreadlord (Detheroc) wiped SI:7 and captured Mathias Shaw
4. ally and horde went into trap, Argent Crusade wiped
5. Alliance attacked portal, Horde was going to defend alliance from behind
6. trap sprung. Legion opened portal behind Horde lines, Horde had to retreat, they couldnot resist legion push. and they were unable to warn alliance
Technically, Ally had no idea what happened, they only saw that Horde left and wrathgate repeated,
7. Ally retreated, Varian sacrificed himself to let remaining alliance troops fly away


Geblin was amazing and Genn..
if not Ally/Horde conflict, I'd say Genn Greymane was best in these cinematics

That's completely wrong. The Rogue Campaign events happen after the Broken Shore, not before. The first recon team on Broken Shore is actually the Argent Crusade.

[KrazyK923]

It's not being omnipotent. It is called being LOGICAL. Knowing that the other group has as much a need for the legion to die as you do. That the only reason logically for their retreat was simply put survival. Any other thought is outright illogical to have and essentially just outright stupid to even have.

Essentially the thought of horde betrayal is the thought of "Oh the horde would rather burn and perish in fire for all eternity than to save the world, their loved ones, their friends.". Anyone who has 2 or more braincells to rub together would never jump to the second conclusion. I don't see how you can't see that.

Hey look somebody who pretended the Alliance should be omnipotent.

I thought nobody actually said this.

Huh.

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That's completely wrong. The Rogue Campaign events happen after the Broken Shore, not before. The first recon team on Broken Shore is actually the Argent Crusade.

No...the SI:7 contingent is there before the Broken Shore happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSVyySIbFI&t=29m11s

[Pengalor]

Vol'jin's death is absolutely idiotic. He gets stabbed once by some random demon and it happens to be a poisoned blade (just like when Garrosh tried to kill him) only this time it was 'too late' to do anything about it. So not only did they waste his character by doing absolutely nothing with him as Warchief but they wasted his death too, cheating the Horde out of a heroic death for their own leader (whereas Alliance got an excellent death for Varian). Very frustrating.

[oblakoff]

Horde betrays Alliance once again and run like the cowards they are. Nothing to see here, move along

[Sarethion]

Doesn't like most of the Alliance understand what happened/doesn't want to go after the Horde, because the Legion is more important anyway?
From what I've read, it's mostly Genn and Jaina - two characters that have other reasons to "hate" the Horde - who go on the with hunt.

[Traveler Voltin]

Horde betrays Alliance once again and run like the cowards they are. Nothing to see here, move along

alliance bias detected.

[Raetary]

Horde betrays Alliance once again and run like the cowards they are. Nothing to see here, move along

why do people have to be so god damn ignorant....

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No...the SI:7 contingent is there before the Broken Shore happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSVyySIbFI&t=29m11s

Which makes the attack even more retarded, the moment they reached the Broken Shores, they knew something was off and yet both factions decided to Leeroy into an unknown situation.

Thanks, didn't knew that part.

[Aucald]

No...the SI:7 contingent is there before the Broken Shore happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSVyySIbFI&t=29m11s

That's interesting - the Broken Shore was a death-trap intended for both the Alliance and the Horde, and thanks to Detheroc they fell into it hook, line, and sinker. That puts both the Horde and the Alliance's ultimate defeat in a new light - had they remained they would've been completely overwhelmed and their leadership decimated further, removing them as an obstacle to the Legion's conquest of Azeroth. The puts both cinematics in an entirely new light.

[Sarethion]

Vol'jin's death is absolutely idiotic. He gets stabbed once by some random demon and it happens to be a poisoned blade (just like when Garrosh tried to kill him) only this time it was 'too late' to do anything about it. So not only did they waste his character by doing absolutely nothing with him as Warchief but they wasted his death too, cheating the Horde out of a heroic death for their own leader.

I feel really sorry for Vol'jin - no matter how you put it: he got seriously shafted.
A Warchief dying in such a forgettable way without having almost no involvement in the story since he took the mantle is just... sad.

[Raetary]

Vol'jin's death is absolutely idiotic. He gets stabbed once by some random demon and it happens to be a poisoned blade (just like when Garrosh tried to kill him) only this time it was 'too late' to do anything about it. So not only did they waste his character by doing absolutely nothing with him as Warchief but they wasted his death too, cheating the Horde out of a heroic death for their own leader (whereas Alliance got an excellent death for Varian). Very frustrating.

"poisoned"
its a legion fel enhanced blade.
like everything else they use, you know, "fel" the chaos magic they use for pretty much everything they do.

[MilesMcStyles]

here's hoping they continue to use this cast of characters throughout Legion.

yknow, instead of what WoD was

[Sarethion]

Horde betrays Alliance once again and run like the cowards they are. Nothing to see here, move along

Dude, I'm Alliance too... And I don't feel betrayed by the Horde at all.
They did what they had to do, really. Even if Sylvanas disobeyed Vol'jin and remained, it wouldn't change much - the way it's presented, it just seems like the Horde would get cut off and slaughtered, leaving the whole faction basically leaderless, before (assuming if this was even possible at all) Alliance closed/destroyed the portal anyway.

[looorg]

There goes my hope for fel-corrupted Varian later in the expansion :P

Fel-Ghost Wrynn ... He'll be back in fel-ectoplasm-form to haunt us all. It's WOW after all and death is merely a setback.

[Kralljin]

Garrosh didn't create the Kor'kron and they weren't any more loyal to him than they were to Thrall

The Kor'kron under Garrosh became his own Special force, not the good type of special force, fiercely loyal just to him and to do all the dirty work.

Malkorok became the Leader of the Kor'kron under Garrosh, which says a lot about the organization.

The Kor'kron under Garrosh were loyal to him, not the Warchief itself.

since they haven't played a visible role since MoP - Vol'jin and Sylvanas.

Probably because Vol'jin didn't want to keep up an organization that basically murdered his own people and seemed to truly believe the stuff Garrosh was saying and not just following him out of loyalty towards the Horde or it's Warchief.

Some of the Kor'kron even testified against him in War Crimes.

Yes, those that deserted, the remaining living ones ended up in prison.

"poisoned"
its a legion fel enhanced blade.
like everything else they use, you know, "fel" the chaos magic they use for pretty much everything they do.

They are that enhanced that they shatter when Vol'jin hits the very edge of the blade with his fist.

[draigo]

Horde betrays Alliance once again and run like the cowards they are. Nothing to see here, move along

nice troll

[Arrashi]

And now I shal ask the most important question. Is everyone sitting cause you might fall from that.


Where was TARAN ZHU?

He failed his first willpower check and shat himself in the corner. A shame really, since i really wanted to see him lecture gul'dan (since you know pandas suffered most).

[Nirathiel]

From the Alliance cinematic pov the Horde left them behind and were retreating. That's why the Alliance think the Horde betrayed them, even though the Horde cinematic shows that if they hadn't retreated they would've died out to the last man/woman

Overall I really liked both, feelsbadman for Varian though.