Varrian a possible end boss?

[SteveRocks]

He's passed on! This man is no more! He has ceased to be! He's expired and gone to meet his maker!

He's a stiff! Bereft of life, He rests in pieces! If If Guldan hadn't blown him up he'd be pushing up the daisies! His metabolic processes are now history! He's off the twig!
He's kicked the bucket, He's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!

THIS IS AN EX-KING!!

^^ This had me laughing loudly and inappropriately at my office. ^^

[Jtbrig7390]

Since Maiev and Illidan will probably me romantic involved in Legion. How will we name them? Illiev? Or is Mallidan better? Hard to decide..

Maidan......

[Lannden]

Changed the fact you (Maiev) killed Illidan. Then added in the story that Demon Hunters was on X mission and showed up right after illidan was beat.

Anyone else remember some Demon Hunters showing up? I don't.

To be fair I usually hearth pretty quickly after a raid so who knows who shows up for the party after I leave.

[Jtbrig7390]

To be fair I usually hearth pretty quickly after a raid so who knows who shows up for the party after I leave.

LOL true

[Hexxidecimal]

We fought illidan because he conquered a large part of outland and was hostile to it's inhabitants (most of which were our allies) - his right and left hand (kael'thas and vashj) heavily damaged the surroundings in zangarmarsh and netherstorm for the sake of amassing power and killed (or drove out) many from those areas. And despite claiming to be the enemy of the legion first and foremost, legion presence remained all over outland, even in shadowmoon valley right next to his most numerous and most powerful forces... whichalso happened to include a fuckton of demons.
We had all the reason to see him as an enemy, and as a real threat, at the time.

Sure we knew back then that he really really wants the legion to die alot, and we now see a bunch of behind the scenes of how much he cares about fighting the legion, but during burning crusade illidan was simply the enemy of everyone. Of the legion, of outland's inhabitants, of us invaders from azeroth. Whether or not that was intentional on his part or whether he'd have preferred peace with horde and alliance is another question.

So we got there, decided he hurts the environment, decide he's bad then shoot first without finding out about his intentions. Like no one knew his intentions. That being said he was pretending to kowtow to the Legion if I remember correctly so I suppose that knowledge is reason enough. Meh it was very murky and your explanation helped but in reality still leave the waters pretty muddied.

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Illidan isn't dead tho, hes just trapped in the fel-ice thingy and his soul is in the nether. The DH cinematic did show players but it was in first person.
Watch the video, that's you in the middle as a DH. This is suppost to take place right after Maiev and players kill Illidan



I am still not ok with (Demons don't die unless in the nether) shit. That makes the whole broken shore fight pointless as well.

His body is in the fel crystal thingy but to my understanding for all intents and purposes he is dead. We killed him, the encased his body so his soul can't go back or some such I think. The whole immortal demon soul seems to be heavy ret con but I am no lore expert maybe this idea existed previously.

[jishdefish]

I see a lot of discussion about Wrynn's body. Remember, you just need his soul for a boss (and use whatever medium you feel like for a body), and well, Guldan, being a warlock, of course knows some soul magic.

[DrIvoRobotnik]

He exploded in to a pile of green and cinders. Hes deader than Onyxia, friend.

[Raetary]

Illidan isn't dead tho, hes just trapped in the fel-ice thingy and his soul is in the nether. The DH cinematic did show players but it was in first person.
Watch the video, that's you in the middle as a DH. This is suppost to take place right after Maiev and players kill Illidan

illidan is dead, in the fel ice thing is just his body.

[nVIDIA]

illidan is dead, in the fel ice thing is just his body.

illidan is completely alive
his body is in legions hands and his soul is in twisting nether

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Illidan_Stormrage

Status: Active

[Raetary]

illidan is completely alive
his body is in legions hands and his soul is in twisting nether

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Illidan_Stormrage

Status: Active

i dont know in what world you live in, but a body without soul, beating heart and working lungs is a dead body.

[Jtbrig7390]

i dont know in what world you live in, but a body without soul, beating heart and working lungs is a dead body.

You do realize this is a fantasy world right? Blizzard has even stated unless a demon is killed in the nether it isn't dead. illidan (thanks to reconning) is now considered a demon and is why he isn't dead.

Incase u didn't know u can't shoot lighting IRL.

[Aeula]

He could be a gelatinous slime with his hideous anime hairstyle plopped on top. Sure.

[nVIDIA]

i dont know in what world you live in, but a body without soul, beating heart and working lungs is a dead body.

are u high dude? its warcraft universe

[zsecmmo]

We won't him, we'll fight his sword.

[Deleted]

You seen ash? because I watched the video there was no ash.

Now there was a fel explosion but that isn't ash.

I would not be surprised if they made him a boss in a raid, You do NOT see his death. You see gul'dan putting some fel in him,him screaming and then a fel explosion. The explosion is just like the ones the adds have before you fight kilrogg.

So ya its ether A) hes dead or B) Hes a gul'dan tool now.

Blizzard just reconned the whole ending to BT and Illidian so don't rule out a Fel-Varrian boss fight.

They are not allowing anyone to test Gul'Dan so he could be part of that fight even if its Mythic Only.

I vote hes a Gul'Dan tool in someway. If he wanted him dead he would have just killed him.

i disagree that it has to be a retcon. Illidan did technically die. His body was taken to the vault and guarded by the wardens until gul'dan came and stole it away. We know he has an immortal demon soul.

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You do realize this is a fantasy world right? Blizzard has even stated unless a demon is killed in the nether it isn't dead. illidan (thanks to reconning) is now considered a demon and is why he isn't dead.

Incase u didn't know u can't shoot lighting IRL.

Do you have any proof suggesting he didnt have a demon soul for a long time?

Your use of retcon is amazing, Maybe you should read up on what it actually means

[Raetary]

You do realize this is a fantasy world right? Blizzard has even stated unless a demon is killed in the nether it isn't dead. illidan (thanks to reconning) is now considered a demon and is why he isn't dead.

Incase u didn't know u can't shoot lighting IRL.

if you kill a demon, its dead.
its not truly dead, but its dead.
even if just temporary.

[Jtbrig7390]

Do you have any proof suggesting he didnt have a demon soul for a long time?

Your use of retcon is amazing, Maybe you should read up on what it actually means

You clearly don't understand the point I made.

In one tweet they reconned illidan and all other demons back to life. Before that tweet if a demon died it was dead, now its they have to die in the nether. Its now also one burning legion across all timelines. So the manny we killed in AU is the same manny we killed in MU.

I know what the word means and clearly you don't. Hell as it stands now the only book/story that even matters is the Warcraft chronicles book and anything beyond. They pulled a Disney and said everything else was BS.

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if you kill a demon, its dead.
its not truly dead, but its dead.
even if just temporary.

Ummmmm no and this has been explained.

[Deleted]

You clearly don't understand the point I made.

In one tweet they reconned illidan and all other demons back to life. Before that tweet if a demon died it was dead, now its they have to die in the nether. Its now also one burning legion across all timelines. So the manny we killed in AU is the same manny we killed in MU.

I know what the word means and clearly you don't. Hell as it stands now the only book/story that even matters is the Warcraft chronicles book and anything beyond. They pulled a Disney and said everything else was BS.

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Ummmmm no and this has been explained.

A retcon is a change to lore that could not previously have happened.

This is not at all true for demon souls to be alive unless killed in the nether. And neither is it a retcon that Illidan has an immortal demon soul, because its quite possible he has had it all along but didnt share the info(he only shared it with his trusted demon hunter minions).

You sure you dont want to look up what retcon means?

Morons and teens have been using the term derogatory so much on this webpage that it has lost all meaning.

Just trying to bring some sanity back to mmo-c


At most this is what is called an additive retroactive continuity. Sadly for you it does not have the same derogatory effect as calling everything RETACONNAD!!!!

[Jtbrig7390]

A retcon is a change to lore that could not previously have happened.

This is not at all true for demon souls to be alive unless killed in the nether. And neither is it a retcon that Illidan has an immortal demon soul, because its quite possible he has had it all along but didnt share the info(he only shared it with his trusted demon hunter minions).

You sure you dont want to look up what retcon means?

Morons and teens have been using the term derogatory so much on this webpage that it has lost all meaning.

Just trying to bring some sanity back to mmo-c


At most this is what is called an additive retroactive continuity. Sadly for you it does not have the same derogatory effect as calling everything RETACONNAD!!!!

Ummmm

ret·con
ˈretkän/
noun
1.
(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency.
"we're given a retcon for Wilf's absence from Donna's wedding in ‘The Runaway Bride’: he had Spanish Flu"
verb
1.
revise (an aspect of a fictional work) retrospectively, typically by introducing a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events.
"I think fans get more upset when characters act blatantly out of established type, or when things get retconned"

What they did with illidan and the demons falls until the definition so clearly I know what it means and you don't.

[Servasus]

No, OP. Just no. He exploded. Literally.