Demon Blades is Incredibly Unfun

[Phabulous]

I know that this talent is currently simming higher than the others in its tier, and that Blizzard have said that it will likely be brought down to perform less, but all that notwithstanding, this talent is incredibly unfun.

Currently I am doing practically no real end-game content so I said no way to Demon Blades, but I feel for the individuals who hate this talent and feel forced to use it for dem DPS gains.

[vitor210]

Wait, people ARE ACTUALY using that? Why? You loose a perfectly good ability and God knows how few abilities we have so far

[WskyDK]

Wait, people ARE ACTUALY using that? Why?

because it's parsing higher?

[Stiyx]

Yeah no kidding, I used it for abit, and I was bored out of my mind. Demon bite makes the rotation feel way cleaner.

[Arbiter]

Wait, people ARE ACTUALY using that? Why? You loose a perfectly good ability and God knows how few abilities we have so far

It's supposedly good for dungeons and raids. I just don't see it considering I find myself using abilities much less. It's slow and it's boring regardless.

[La]

Wait, people ARE ACTUALY using that? Why? You loose a perfectly good ability and God knows how few abilities we have so far

People are using the talent that currently does the most damage? On live and in beta, currently? Who knew.

I find it quite fun, especially when it banks a charge and you burst your resources up. Get up to 80 or if you're below it use a fel rush to get to it, double chaos, get a third if you crit. It's fun in its own way, something i didn't expect of it.

[vitor210]

People are using the talent that currently does the most damage? On live and in beta, currently? Who knew.

I find it quite fun, especially when it banks a charge and you burst your resources up. Get up to 80 or if you're below it use a fel rush to get to it, double chaos, get a third if you crit. It's fun in its own way, something i didn't expect of it.

yh I decided to test that agaisnt a training dummy, in 10min I only got 3 "burst" of fury, most of the time I was just auto attacking since I didnt have enough fury to cast Chaos Strike.

can be fun and maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe has higher dps par but having Demon's bite on rotation feels clean and "normal"

[wordup]

Bear in mind you're playing it without a number of other talents that flesh out the game a lot and Demon Blades slots in well there, right now you're basically playing half the class.

[Infective]

it feels a lot better once you get Felblade and start filling globals with that(which is more fury, so more chaos strikes, so even more globals filled). right now you guys are complaining about half a toolkit before you get the other half. at 110 Demon Blades is great, does more damage and makes managing Fel Rush easier.

[Krazzorx]

In this one case I wouldn't be caring about best talent because if you are playing a DH in raids right now you are being carried. So not like it makes much difference and they'll just make sure it's not best at 110.

[Deleted]

it feels a lot better once you get Felblade and start filling globals with that(which is more fury, so more chaos strikes, so even more globals filled). right now you guys are complaining about half a toolkit before you get the other half. at 110 Demon Blades is great, does more damage and makes managing Fel Rush easier.

This isnt technically true. While the talents do provide some important things for the DH, the rotation is still incredibly simple. Adding two more buttons to push on cd doesnt add complexity really.

This is the DH's overall problem atm. The only complexity it can get comes from the momentum build which half the population hate and some apparently love to death(i call these the people that have not raided as momentum).

The spec needs non movement based abilities that can add to the complexity of the standard rotation.

In short: It needs choices. Players need to be able to make the wrong choice in a rotation for better players to stand out.

[Justin-Sane]

I like it. I'm already feeling like I'm gonna get carpal tunnel from spamming shear as vengeance, I'm glad it's not as spammy, and I get to use throw glaive as a filler.

[Nihilist74]

I know that this talent is currently simming higher than the others in its tier, and that Blizzard have said that it will likely be brought down to perform less, but all that notwithstanding, this talent is incredibly unfun.

Currently I am doing practically no real end-game content so I said no way to Demon Blades, but I feel for the individuals who hate this talent and feel forced to use it for dem DPS gains.

Yah, who the hell ever thought auto attacking was fun?

[chematus]

Momentum seems incredibly unfun to me. Blzrd pls rmv.

[Lucrece]

Yah, who the hell ever thought auto attacking was fun?

Rogues, whose damage has historically been disproportionately autoattacks lol.

[Jakkhel]

Yah, who the hell ever thought auto attacking was fun?

Oddly enough I really like Arms, which is also resource starved. It feels better to me than a GCD locked class where you just spam a filler. More methodical, less hyper.

I have yet to play the Momentum build in raids, but with Momentum and Demon Blades, you're able to squeeze better abilities into those short windows without wasting a GCD on Demon's Bite just to get Fury to use a better ability. Doubly so during Metamorphosis. I'm still quite worried that Momentum will be awful to play in an actual raid setting, though.

[Deleted]

Rogues, whose damage has historically been disproportionately autoattacks lol.

Its only combat that has a high AA damage and it only has that because people have been using SnD properly.

Unlike this talent thats just passive.

There is a difference.

Also we arent talking vanilla here where everything was a two button spec

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Oddly enough I really like Arms, which is also resource starved. It feels better to me than a GCD locked class where you just spam a filler. More methodical, less hyper.

I have yet to play the Momentum build in raids, but with Momentum and Demon Blades, you're able to squeeze better abilities into those short windows without wasting a GCD on Demon's Bite just to get Fury to use a better ability. Doubly so during Metamorphosis. I'm still quite worried that Momentum will be awful to play in an actual raid setting, though.

From personal subjective experience its absolutely terrible to play momentum in both dungeons and raids

That build alone made me drop maining a DH in legion

[wordup]

Its only combat that has a high AA damage and it only has that because people have been using SnD properly.

Unlike this talent thats just passive.

There is a difference.

Also we arent talking vanilla here where everything was a two button spec

I axed the second part since you said it was subjective, so it's entirely justified. This however isn't. Demon Blades is not "entirely passive" and it does have a playstyle built around it with managing your resource much more carefully because the way that it is generated is more sporadic but unpredictable. Gameplay at 100 is obviously lacking because you fundamentally lack abilities to fill empty GCDs with that come later, but at that point when you do have them it has a very distinct feel to it if you play it correctly.

However, if you play it incorrectly and treat it as a "lol 2 button passive talent" then 1) it's not worth taking because you're going to be using it incorrectly and 2) are arguably not giving it even the smallest chance because you don't want to like it versus wanting to know what it actually involves.

[Deleted]

I axed the second part since you said it was subjective, so it's entirely justified. This however isn't. Demon Blades is not "entirely passive" and it does have a playstyle built around it with managing your resource much more carefully because the way that it is generated is more sporadic but unpredictable. Gameplay at 100 is obviously lacking because you fundamentally lack abilities to fill empty GCDs with that come later, but at that point when you do have them it has a very distinct feel to it if you play it correctly.

However, if you play it incorrectly and treat it as a "lol 2 button passive talent" then 1) it's not worth taking because you're going to be using it incorrectly and 2) are arguably not giving it even the smallest chance because you don't want to like it versus wanting to know what it actually involves.

I actually do want to like it. I played a DH from 100-110 vehemently trying to ignore the momentum build.

My personal problem with havoc is that the movement abilities are part of the rotation. It just annoys me. Its not that i want to just stand still and AA a boss. But i want my movement abilities to be used to dodge stuff or position myself correctly. I dont want them to be part of my dps rotation

[Jerycho]

I axed the second part since you said it was subjective, so it's entirely justified. This however isn't. Demon Blades is not "entirely passive" and it does have a playstyle built around it with managing your resource much more carefully because the way that it is generated is more sporadic but unpredictable. Gameplay at 100 is obviously lacking because you fundamentally lack abilities to fill empty GCDs with that come later, but at that point when you do have them it has a very distinct feel to it if you play it correctly.

However, if you play it incorrectly and treat it as a "lol 2 button passive talent" then 1) it's not worth taking because you're going to be using it incorrectly and 2) are arguably not giving it even the smallest chance because you don't want to like it versus wanting to know what it actually involves.

Someone with patience and logic? What?

I'm personally reserving judgment until we get the full toolkit. Atm, it does feel bland (this coming from someone who mained a rogue for almost a decade lol), but we are only getting a preview. For those who aren't content, I would suggest playing another class until the end of the month.