[Guardian] Legion Discussion

[zurm]

For people who tried raids in the beta, how was the threat there? Currently seen alot of concerns about our threat right now, including me.

The only valid concern atm is versus prot pallies and maybe DKs, which mostly goes away at 110 (pallies still have high threat and damage in their cooldown windows every 2 min). Threat against another tank ultimately doesn't matter, however, and it's just something you can work on with your co-tank. If you're having trouble with threat against a DPS you're doing something VERY wrong.

[Sonnillon]

Using it on Prepatch now. it's the best trinket for dps anyways.

I guess if one doesn't care that much for DPS it's more or less irrelevant? Other then pure stat of survival and better healing potion effect?

[Gemini Soul]

According to Arielle on the druid discord, it does NOT currently work on Thick Hide from guardian spec (but it works on affinities). So we don't get 5% DR too, which actually makes it kinda bad.

Then that is a bug, it states on its tooltip that it increases Thick Hide also. The tooltips for the passives don't update when its equipped.

[CenariusTheForestLord]

I guess if one doesn't care that much for DPS it's more or less irrelevant? Other then pure stat of survival and better healing potion effect?

None of the survival trinkets are that great either though. You might actually want to go for the BRF trinkets.

[Nevcairiel]

Then that is a bug, it states on its tooltip that it increases Thick Hide also. The tooltips for the passives don't update when its equipped.

I tested on a tanking training dummy for a bit right now, and while there isn't enough data to be 100% certain, it does look like it works.
Should grab a healer to keep me tanking longer and try for more data, i suppose.

[zurm]

I tested on a tanking training dummy for a bit right now, and while there isn't enough data to be 100% certain, it does look like it works.
Should grab a healer to keep me tanking longer and try for more data, i suppose.

Arielle tested in proving grounds with chomp. It definitely doesn't work.

[Lysozyme]

I don't think it's a bug, I think it's just not necessarily worded as well as it could be - but it's obvious that it's supposed to only affect the things that aren't your main thing, imo

[Gemini Soul]

I don't think it's a bug, I think it's just not necessarily worded as well as it could be - but it's obvious that it's supposed to only affect the things that aren't your main thing, imo

Just tested this theory on Beta Feral spec move speed no chest 145% with chest its 153%.

So its a Bug

[Lysozyme]

Fair enough

[Sonnillon]

None of the survival trinkets are that great either though. You might actually want to go for the BRF trinkets.

As I am dumb and didn't add that I am interested in the Legion version of it , then I doubt that BRF trinkets will be that good there :P

[CenariusTheForestLord]

As I am dumb and didn't add that I am interested in the Legion version of it , then I doubt that BRF trinkets will be that good there :P

Ow :d Then I can see how you're not very interested in the dps version Well trinkets in Legion are hard to come by (good ones at least). So if you can get your hands on an alchemy one it will definitely help. Some Mythic dungeon ones are good as well (There's one from Neltharion's lair with a really good on use). But you might not get it in time for raids to open.

EDIT: PreRaid trinkets that seem useful enough.

http://www.wowhead.com/item=137538/o...ent&bonus=1826
http://www.wowhead.com/item=137440/s...one&bonus=1826

My favourite ones:

http://www.wowhead.com/item=137400/c...due&bonus=1826
http://www.wowhead.com/item=137344/t...per&bonus=1826

Runner Up:
http://www.wowhead.com/item=137362/p...ion&bonus=1826

[Milocow]

its funny cuz all mythic dungeon trinkets are WAYYYY better than raid trinkets(both dps and tank ones)

[Sonnillon]

I was just wondering, cause right now I am Leatherworker and finding time to level up alchemy for Legion seems very hard. Would having crafted gear make up for lack of a good trinket?
The mythic trinkets seem decent enough for starters.
At start of WoD I skipped mythic dungeons completely cause I just didn't manage to survive in those long enough as a bear... Hopefully this time around it feels lot more better and I get a shot at those.

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its funny cuz all mythic dungeon trinkets are WAYYYY better than raid trinkets(both dps and tank ones)

I haven't browsed any of the raid drops yet in wowhead so no clue how to any of the trinkets compare to each other´.

[huth]

I don't think it's a bug, I think it's just not necessarily worded as well as it could be - but it's obvious that it's supposed to only affect the things that aren't your main thing, imo

How is that obvious? It explicitly lists the passive bonuses, not the Affinities, so the common sense assumption would be that it is meant to affect all of them. And in fact, it is programmed in a way that if it doesn't work for Guardian Thick Hide, it doesn't work for any Thick Hide, as all the Affinity does is giving other specs the regular passive.
There is no Affinity Thick Hide. If i choose Guardian Affinity as Balance i get the same passive Guardians do.

[Milocow]

I was just wondering, cause right now I am Leatherworker and finding time to level up alchemy for Legion seems very hard. Would having crafted gear make up for lack of a good trinket?
The mythic trinkets seem decent enough for starters.
At start of WoD I skipped mythic dungeons completely cause I just didn't manage to survive in those long enough as a bear... Hopefully this time around it feels lot more better and I get a shot at those.

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I haven't browsed any of the raid drops yet in wowhead so no clue how to any of the trinkets compare to each other´.

3/4 nighthold trinks have shitty crit and the mastery one is from final boss so dont rely on that for progression
emerald nightmare is better
haste passive with ohshit proc
agi passive with vers proc
mastery passive with damage reduction debuff on enemy when they hit you

does moonfire scale from AP or SP for guardians? cuz if it scales from SP moonfire gets 0 dps benefit from mastery

[Veyloris]

So is it worth using boomkin affinity for DPS at all? It seems like in this post Arielle says it's not, but then after says it may be useful in mythics. If you do less damage then being in bear form, what's the point of switching? The only reason I could think of is a range limited scenario, but I'm not sure if that's the only thing he's referencing.

I'm switching to bear come Legion, so I'm fairly out of the loop on most things, so this may be a question that's already answered.

[Etamalgren]

So is it worth using boomkin affinity for DPS at all? It seems like in this post Arielle says it's not, but then after says it may be useful in mythics. If you do less damage then being in bear form, what's the point of switching? The only reason I could think of is a range limited scenario, but I'm not sure if that's the only thing he's referencing.

I'm switching to bear come Legion, so I'm fairly out of the loop on most things, so this may be a question that's already answered.

If there's a lot of adds all crammed into one spot, you can use sunfire to put up an extra dot on everything. Balance affinity sunfire spreads just like balance spec's sunfire. Other than that, it seems like Balance affinity-moonkin does less dps than bear form.

[Dreyen]

I belive boomkin affinity is great for aoe dps because of sunfire, but otherwise feral affinity decimates it for 1-2 target dps.. i don't know when boomkin gets above feral however.

[Veyloris]

Right on, thanks for the answers, I'll have to test it out and see where the breakpoint is. In regards to what Dreyen said, though, feral affinity is good enough for bear catting or no? It seems like based on the post just being in bear form out does bear-catting, but I could be misunderstanding.


Also, as far as pre-raid stuff, is the alch trinket worth having alch+herb instead of miner+herb?

[CenariusTheForestLord]

Right on, thanks for the answers, I'll have to test it out and see where the breakpoint is. In regards to what Dreyen said, though, feral affinity is good enough for bear catting or no? It seems like based on the post just being in bear form out does bear-catting, but I could be misunderstanding.


Also, as far as pre-raid stuff, is the alch trinket worth having alch+herb instead of miner+herb?

Pure cat form does less than bear form. But bearcatting can increase your dps by about 10-15%. Just use up all your energy, do 3-4 GCD's in bear form, use up energy again. If you're tanking, try and find breakpoints in the fight to keep up rake and rip.