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    The one where he says in detail what he did how he did it when where and everything else

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnier Fructis View Post
    Confessions have questionable reliability precisely because the police use shady tactics and general coercion to force a confession. You might think people would never confess to a crime they didn't commit, but many do because they believe the police have a very strong case against them and they'll lose anyway, so they stop trying to resist.

    Eyewitness testimony and confessions are the worst types of evidence, really. In fact, everything short of DNA evidence is questionable. Different people can have the same fingerprint, for instance, and at least one guy has been wrongly convicted on that basis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Masoner View Post
    is that the one where after he confessed, he told the officers he needed to get back to school cause he was gonna miss a test? or the one where after he confessed he and his mother god confused about one of the words the officers used?

    Cause all of it is some bull shit.

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    He was convicted cause they "found" blood on/in her car that belong to him. There was massive amounts of evidence to point that it was planted there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    Innocent people have been set free after spending decades in prison for a long time now, and nobody is ever held responsible. Nobody rarely even admits they were wrong.

    So no. Nobody will be held responsible. There is no such thing.



    You mean the interrogation tapes and tapes where he calls his mother, which are available on Youtube, and in which you can clearly see the FBI interrogators and the lawyer and everyone else pushing this low-IQ boy into thinking he has done what he actually hasn't done, and then saying the words he thinks the interrogators want him to say? That coerced confession? Is that the one you're referring to?
    The one where he says in detail what he did how he did it when where and everything else
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor With a Saber View Post
    The one where he says in detail what he did how he did it when where and everything else

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    The one where he says in detail what he did how he did it when where and everything else
    The one were his constitutional rights were violated and infringed on.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Skandulous View Post
    The one were his constitutional rights were violated and infringed on.
    If you're talking about the no lawyer thing? They weren't

    He never asked for a lawyer and wasnt under arrest until he finished telling them everything. THEN he was read his rights and lawyered. Nothing was done wrong here.

    Sure hes retarded in a way but they didnt lead him or anything he was saying what he did freely. They asked thinggs like what happened next and after that then what etc etc.
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    i felt bad for the nephew. i dont think he did it or was involved. i think he's just a kid with mental issues and he got wrapped up in it.
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  5. #25
    Been a while since I saw the series, but the way it was portrayed did make it seem like that kid was getting railroaded even worse than Avery. At least with Avery there was some circumstantial evidence, but with Dassey it seemed to be based solely on what he himself said...and I think you'd have to have some very creative editing to not make his confession and the circumstances around it look like pure bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor With a Saber View Post
    The one where he says in detail what he did how he did it when where and everything else
    And? There are methods of getting unsuspecting people to reveal information that only the culprit would know, even when they aren't the culprit. This happens either from the police giving this information at some time, or giving information that would cause people to assume a certain scenario. The critical flaw in the idea that confessions are solid because they had details only the culprit knows is that it isn't just the culprit that knows them - the police know them as well.

    It's why you should shut up and refuse to talk if you suspect at any point that you're being set up to be a scapegoat.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    There are no 2 species that are 100% identical.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redditor
    can you leftist twits just fucking admit that quantum mechanics has fuck all to do with thermodynamics, that shit is just a pose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnier Fructis View Post
    And? There are methods of getting unsuspecting people to reveal information that only the culprit would know, even when they aren't the culprit. This happens either from the police giving this information at some time, or giving information that would cause people to assume a certain scenario. The critical flaw in the idea that confessions are solid because they had details only the culprit knows is that it isn't just the culprit that knows them - the police know them as well.

    It's why you should shut up and refuse to talk if you suspect at any point that you're being set up to be a scapegoat.
    True but the police didnt lead him on or give any information in the video. HE just started talking giving it all away when they asked what happened. They really only said. What happened, Then what happened after yous went to the garage, etc etc. The dude gave out infomation about what cleaners they used BEFORE the police even tested the area to know what cleaners has been used. He was present at the raping and murder of the girl. His uncle got him to rape,stab,dispose of the body.

    He is guilty of manslaughter at the least. He should be in jail
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor With a Saber View Post
    True but the police didnt lead him on or give any information in the video.
    Critically important part.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    There are no 2 species that are 100% identical.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redditor
    can you leftist twits just fucking admit that quantum mechanics has fuck all to do with thermodynamics, that shit is just a pose?

  9. #29
    No idea whether he or his uncle did it but they definitely were set up as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor With a Saber View Post
    He was present at the raping and murder of the girl. His uncle got him to rape,stab,dispose of the body.
    The other thorny issue with this testimony being true is that he gave locations and descriptions of events that would have left evidence, yet the police didn't find any evidence in those locations. Testimony that isn't supported by forensic evidence is trash.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    There are no 2 species that are 100% identical.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redditor
    can you leftist twits just fucking admit that quantum mechanics has fuck all to do with thermodynamics, that shit is just a pose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnier Fructis View Post
    The other thorny issue with this testimony being true is that he gave locations and descriptions of events that would have left evidence, yet the police didn't find any evidence in those locations. Testimony that isn't supported by forensic evidence is trash.
    They were just masters at cleaning up. Except they left her keys in plain sight (even though it was missed several times, and only spotted by a cop who was banned from being alone at the scene because he was named in the lawsuit that Avery was taking out), and after cleaning up the murder scene so well, when forensic experts dug up the concrete floor and found no evidence of blood, but left a bullet with blood on it, that was missed initially, but found when a cop who was named in the lawsuit showed up. You don't need to be a genius to clean up a scene so well that the forensic teams don't find anything, as evidenced by the evidence found by those cops, which was initially missed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gelannerai View Post


    Remember, legally no one sane takes Tucker Carlson seriously.

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    Very good news, if i took one thing from making a murderer it was brendan had nothing to do with this. Hopefully he gets some money as well to make up for all that time lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor With a Saber View Post
    If you're talking about the no lawyer thing? They weren't

    He never asked for a lawyer and wasnt under arrest until he finished telling them everything. THEN he was read his rights and lawyered. Nothing was done wrong here.

    Sure hes retarded in a way but they didnt lead him or anything he was saying what he did freely. They asked thinggs like what happened next and after that then what etc etc.
    He was a minor. Parental consent for the interview was required - it wasn't given.

    As a former defense attorney, I still have doubts about Avery's potential innocence....but this kid got fucked hard. The first person to say "shot in the head" was a detective, and then the boy was like, "yeah, we shot her." After repeated attempts to get him to admit to something, they started making up the confession themselves. Then the detective was like, "Did you rape her?" Uh, yeah. Those are the definition of leading questions.

    The whole alleged confession painted the scene of the crime as the bedroom. Which no physical evidence was found in (and it was a mess, Avery wasn't that clean a guy). Except for a pair of keys, which was found after 3 days of searching (the bedroom being one of the primary search areas), and only after a detective WHO WAS BARRED FROM THE CASE BECAUSE HE WAS INVOLVED IN FRAMING AVERY for his first wrongful conviction showed up at the scene, and congrats, found the keys. Same detective also found the one bullet in the garage where the victim was allegedly killed, this time months after it had been searched. No blood evidence in either the bedroom or the garage for a shooting victim? WoW, Avery must be a crime scene tech, not a sloppy junkyard owner.

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    Yeah, the point here isn't whether either of them actually did do something illegal, or the opinions of people on that issue. The point here is the gross incompetence and unprofessional behavior of, and railroading of the two suspects by the local cops, DA, judges and even the FBI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    Yeah, the point here isn't whether either of them actually did do something illegal, or the opinions of people on that issue. The point here is the gross incompetence and unprofessional behavior of, and railroading of the two suspects by the local cops, DA, judges and even the FBI.
    Exactly. It was a failure of the justice system. It wasn't fair, and he was entitled to fair. If any of us were up in the dock, we would want fair.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gelannerai View Post


    Remember, legally no one sane takes Tucker Carlson seriously.

  16. #36
    The judges, prosecutor, jury and police that put this kid in prison should be gassed


    Until that happens, injustice will continue to thrive

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    Quote Originally Posted by satimy View Post
    The judges, prosecutor, jury and police that put this kid in prison should be gassed


    Until that happens, injustice will continue to thrive
    Or at the very least fired / disbarred and charged with perverting the course of justice and perjury (which can put you away for over a decade on its own).

  18. #38
    To first duder/ette
    Dont be a conspiracy person and the evidence did show that they used what he said they used.

    So 2nd duder/ette

    Police are free to approach and question any child who may have witnessed or been the victim of a crime, just as they can contact and interview an adult. Police can question a child without a parent present and are not required to obtain permission from a parent before questioning the child.

    However, if a parent is present when the police approach the child or police ask permission in advance, a parent can refuse to allow the child to be interviewed. A lawyer (hired by the parent) also can refuse an interview on a child’s behalf.

    Children themselves can refuse to be questioned and can also request that a lawyer or a parent be present during any questioning. If police, including officers on the street and school police officers, begin questioning a child and the child requests that she be allowed to call a parent or have a parent present, the police should stop and allow her to do so.

    This article addresses the topic of police interviewing children as witnesses or victims of crime.
    They explained very easily with actual evidence how things were missed.

    Key was stuck in back of nightstand stuck to particle board when 2nd search was happening the cops that put it back did it too hard knocking the particle board back and dropping out the key.

    True no blood evidence found "besides everything in the van,truck w/e she drove" because it was cleaned up exactly as the guy said it was and they found exactly what he said they would find. They killed the woman the netflix series didnt show all the evidence it only showed what the makers of the show wanted the audience to see. Avery wasnt guilty of the first crime that is 100% true but over the course of the wrongful conviction he became more of a monster "was already a D-bag according to people before hand and him self burning animals alive" But he is guilty of this one and roped his nephew into it with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satimy View Post
    The judges, prosecutor, jury and police that put this kid in prison should be gassed


    Until that happens, injustice will continue to thrive
    well that is just civil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    Or at the very least fired / disbarred and charged with perverting the course of justice and perjury (which can put you away for over a decade on its own).
    They did nothing wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4pack View Post
    The whole doc was biased as hell and as is typical of these types of pieces leaves out a whole lot that contradict what they want people to believe. Of course the sheep eat this stuff up.

    You can make Hitler look innocent through the power of video editing and ignoring inconvenient facts if you wanted to.
    Actually you cannot make Hitler good in any light. A whole lot of people a hell of a lot smarter than you think this kid was served a miscarriage of justice. Even if he did it those in charge of convicting him broke the law by violating his rights. They should do their jobs better instead of being lazy corner cutting mouth breathers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor With a Saber View Post
    The one where he says in detail what he did how he did it when where and everything else

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    The one where he says in detail what he did how he did it when where and everything else
    How is the fact the zero of what he said about how they did was forensically verifiable so irrelevant to you? There was zero blood in the house. Not even Dexter is thst good. The matress would have been a mess. Some particle stuck to the wall or crappy csrpet the didnt replace. No sign of a struggle, no chains, no nothing. You want him to be guilty because he said some horrible things, tha turned out werrnt true.

    lets be clear about Dassey. He isnt smart enouh to enlist to die in war. He is not smart enough to learn soldiering. That is how dumb he is. He is so dumb he thought he could go home after because he told the cops what they wanted to hear. Try to full comprehend that and then think about what it must be like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor With a Saber View Post
    True but the police didnt lead him on or give any information in the video. HE just started talking giving it all away when they asked what happened. They really only said. What happened, Then what happened after yous went to the garage, etc etc. The dude gave out infomation about what cleaners they used BEFORE the police even tested the area to know what cleaners has been used. He was present at the raping and murder of the girl. His uncle got him to rape,stab,dispose of the body.

    He is guilty of manslaughter at the least. He should be in jail
    Actually they clesrly lead him. He said tyey killed her with a knife. They coached him to say also a gun. He said they shot her in the chest. They road him until he also guess they shot her in the head. Those things are not legal. They also clearly show he was stsbbing in the dark and had no idea what actually happened. If you dont think thats coaching, then you clearly dont know what the word means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4pack View Post
    The whole doc was biased as hell and as is typical of these types of pieces leaves out a whole lot that contradict what they want people to believe. Of course the sheep eat this stuff up.

    You can make Hitler look innocent through the power of video editing and ignoring inconvenient facts if you wanted to.
    They said the kid stabbed her while she was on the bed tied up. No fluids were found on the mattress, tell me what brand it was so I can buy it myself.

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