How can someone pick Altruis over Kayn?

[Deleted]

How old are you exactly and where are you from?

I find it very funny you're calling me limp wrist parade with a Naruto avatar picture.

Who knows, maybe older than you. And I'm from a happy place.

Yes, my avatar, such a laughing stock, right. I should put a black and white photo or some rock band thing, it would be mature of me.

[Wyrt]

of course I must be a troll, I don't agree with past WWII bullshit then I surely must be a troll. gold line of reasoning. platinum badge of marx awarded to user Wyrt

You're literally supporting nazis in this thread. Either a troll or an idiot.

[Ginji]

I hate male Belfs.

[Spiral Mage]

Because Illidan and Altruis were both portrayed badly and are being given a "reboot", or something, regardless of illogical it makes the previous events look.

[Deleted]

And with that we confirm you're either a troll or a sociopathic neo-nazi.

I'm a good person. Please, don't insul't me. I don't want to have anything to do with a socialists even in a nationalist form. I don't care whether someone is loyal to socialist swine like hitler or communist donkeys like EU leaders, all that matters to me is their loyalty.

[Skorpionss]

Frankly I would have preferred a 3rd option. Banish them both for arguing when there is a bigger threat at hand and make Kor'vas the 2nd in command. Those to are obviously not prepared(lame pun intended).

[grimniruk]

- Illidan sacrifices his eyes, his soul, his love (well that was impossible anyways), the friendship with his brother (also a short-sighted cunt) and partially also his sanity, as to not forget demon hunters always hear the whispers of the Legion.
- The Broken were dead anyways to begin with, he gave them shelter.
- He freed the Fel Orcs from the Legion's grasp.
- He indeed enslaved the Netherwing, let's say that's a bit bad.
- You forgot the part where he also freed all these demons from the Legion's grasp and gives them their free will back, but who cares, we kill them for loot and epic gems that sell for 5 gold, who cares, rite?

Lastly, that mission to Mardunn was crucial, as we will probably see throughout the expansion, the sargeray keystone that the demon hunters retrieved will be a powerful weapon against the Legion. Also it was supposed to be a covert operation... so ye.

Right. Can I make a suggestion? Don't say things you know nothing about ok?

Freed the Orcs? He was forcing Maghar orcs in Hellfire to become fel orcs.
Broken were dead anyway? Perhaps, but Illidan betrayed them, forcing them to be drudges and slaves under him when he promised them salvation, they traded one slavemaster for another.
"A bit bad" Is hilarious.
Yeah, he "Freed" those demons right into his control, using his power source to keep them like addicts who need him.

If Mardun was crucial, why didn't Illidan roll up to Shattrath and go "Here guys, I have this plan, let's call a truce and hit the Legion where it hurts"

It was a covert operation because Illidan is an insane egomaniac.

[Deleted]

You're literally supporting nazis in this thread. Either a troll or an idiot.

then I prefer to be an idiot than supporter of socialists.

[grimniruk]

I'm a good person. Please, don't insul't me. I don't want to have anything to do with a socialists even in a nationalist form. I don't care whether someone is loyal to socialist swine like hitler or communist donkeys like EU leaders, all that matters to me is their loyalty.

Evidently, you have not proven that.

You think Mindlessly slaughtering people without mercy and not questioning your orders are good traits.

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Who knows, maybe older than you. And I'm from a happy place.

Yes, my avatar, such a laughing stock, right. I should put a black and white photo or some rock band thing, it would be mature of me.

Anything is more mature than a japanese teen cartoon.

[Melsiren]

- Illidan sacrifices his eyes, his soul, his love (well that was impossible anyways), the friendship with his brother (also a short-sighted cunt) and partially also his sanity, as to not forget demon hunters always hear the whispers of the Legion. (I hardly consider losing ones eyes to gain power, and improved vision a real sacrifice. Tyranda and him were never really meant to be so he sacrificed nothing in that regard.)
- The Broken were dead anyways to begin with, he gave them shelter. (And than manipulated them and used them for slavery)
- He freed the Fel Orcs from the Legion's grasp. (Let's just forget he force fed demonic blood to Mag'har orcs.)
- He indeed enslaved the Netherwing, let's say that's a bit bad. (Slavery is only a little bad okay.)
- You forgot the part where he also freed all these demons from the Legion's grasp and gives them their free will back, but who cares, we kill them for loot and epic gems that sell for 5 gold, who cares, rite?

Lastly, that mission to Mardunn was crucial, as we will probably see throughout the expansion, the sargeray keystone that the demon hunters retrieved will be a powerful weapon against the Legion. Also it was supposed to be a covert operation... so ye.

I'm sure with ignorance even if forced it does not seem that bad.

[Wyrt]

then I prefer to be an idiot than supporter of socialists.

I hope your country becomes socialist so you can be mindlessly loyal to socialists.

[Deleted]

- Illidan sacrifices his eyes, his soul, his love (well that was impossible anyways), the friendship with his brother (also a short-sighted cunt) and partially also his sanity, as to not forget demon hunters always hear the whispers of the Legion.

So.
His eyes : ok, yeah. Great personal sacrifice... Give that Illidan guy a cookie !
His soul : he never sacrified his soul, he let it be corrupted by his greed for power
His love : as you said, impossible love, rejected by the woman. Doesn't seem to be such a great sacrifice to me.
His brother : he ruined that quite alone, by betraying his brother and his race for selfish purpose.
His sanity : so we agree Illidan is insane (for power). That's not the kind of guy I would blindly trust (hello Kayn).

[Deleted]

Evidently, you have not proven that.

You think Mindlessly slaughtering people without mercy and not questioning your orders are good traits.

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Anything is more mature than a japanese teen cartoon.

I don't have to prov anything.

Yes, I do think so. If it is in order to defeat an enemy that threatens whole universe, then yes.

Sure. You are most certainly right. Anime is so very much immature. But WoW is legit mature medium.

[Cannibalus]

I'm sure with ignorance even if forced it does not seem that bad.

That's what controversial characters do for the greater good.

[Deleted]

I hope your country becomes socialist so you can be mindlessly loyal to socialists.

if I swear my loyalty to them then yes, I will be. Chances of it happening are low tho.

[grimniruk]

That's what controversial characters do for the greater good.

I find it Ironic when apparently we have Grand Exarch Turalyon Rolling around in space with his army of light fighting the Legion and THEY didn't need to be such evil dicks.

Hell, they straight up convert a Dreadlord to the Light.

[Zerref]

Yep, confirmed autism. Intent and action are two different things.

Illidan did alot of very evil very cruel things for his perceived "greater good"

A "greater good" everyone else was also fighting against, or do you forget Khadgar was right there on Outland and everyone was fighting off the invading Legion THERE too?

In fact, this is all Illidan's ego. HE wants to be the hero, HE deserves to be the one to save everyone, and he'll damn if any one else gets in his way.

Illidan has a matyr complex from being in his Brothers shadow. Illidan ironically sacrificed NOTHING. All he did was take from people.

He took from the Broken
He took from the Orcs
He took from the Netherwing

He never put himself on the line, not even in Mardunn.

Illidan is an anti-villian, not an Anti-hero. He's a monster whos only goal is to be free from the haunting shadow of the Legion.

Other than holding off the idiot invaders who had no reason to be in outland...

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Also...you all seem to fail at understanding that the PC is the Leader of the Illidari at the moment...Kayn/Altruis is just your second-in-command.

[grimniruk]

Other than holding off the idiot invaders who had no reason to be in outland...

Yeah, Idiot invaders.

Illidan commits atrocities, people come to make him pay for them.

Funny that.

[Mehrunes]

However, Altruis is not wrong, either... because no matter if it took a ton of work by the legion to crack these Demon Hunters, they were able to do so. The power they took did drive them down the path against their allies, whether it was by their choice or by influence from the legion is an important distinction but not important in the end, when they are corrupted and with the legion regardless.

If you're talking about Varedis and the Night Elf teachers, they are hardly a "ha ha, I was right all along" moment for Altruis when he's the one responsible for them changing allegiances.

[darkwarrior42]

if I swear my loyalty to them then yes, I will be. Chances of it happening are low tho.

Loyalty isn't eternal. If that which you swear loyalty to proves to be false, or fundamentally changes, you certainly don't owe it your continued loyalty.

That, above all, is why I went with Altruis. The Illidari are willing to sacrifice everything to stop the legion and save Azeroth... but it's frighteningly easy to imagine a scenario where they stop caring about saving anything, and care only about power... to envision a world where the Illidari triumph over the Legion only to become worse than the Legion ever was.

If that happens, we want people that would stand against it. That would be loyal to that which they swore loyalty to, rather than the leader and the flawed course their leader has chosen instead. Altruis will do that. Kayn won't.

(Of course, the irony here is that every Blood Elf in the Illidari has already done that once, by choosing to forsake their rightful Prince when he joined forces with the Legion.... so if loyalty cannot be transferred or abandoned under such circumstances, you are effectively arguing that all blood elves, including those of the Illidari, should have sided with the Legion when Kael'thas chose to do so.)