Illidan in Legion looks like a fanfiction character

[FlemmMinis]

Yeah... Iw anted to write something constructive. But reading your arguments lead me to the believe that everything you don't like about lore is automatically turned into bad fanfiction. So... yeah. GG.

Maybe you want to go into the Vanilla Thread.

[Felpacino]

You should google the words fanfiction and canon.

Like really.

You have no diea what those words mean

Canon Illidan: "I can sacrifice myself to save the world."
Fanfiction Illidan: "I can sacrifice the whole world to save the world."

That's what I meant to say. If the story would be written by the same person, then Illidan's character would be consistent.

Just to relieve you, I know that what those words mean. In the canon story, Illidan took the Hand of Gul'dan to end the corruption of the forest in War3. In a fanfiction story, it would be like, Illidan destroyed the Hand of Gul'dan, the corruption continued, but he rejected the power of being a demon. Like that.

Or let's say that you play a game with good and bad endings. In the sequel, the game continues from the good ending.

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I pity you and the people around you for your stupidity.

No story is canon, unless it's written by the original writer.

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Yeah... Iw anted to write something constructive. But reading your arguments lead me to the believe that everything you don't like about lore is automatically turned into bad fanfiction. So... yeah. GG.

Maybe you want to go into the Vanilla Thread.

I never said that new Illidan's sacrifice policy is bad, I said that it doesn't fit his character.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

We have yet to see Illidan in legion.

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No story is canon, unless it's written by the original writer.

So pretty much nothing in WoW is canon then. Metzen doesn't write every quest or even overarching storylines himself. He most likely gives direction to his writers and stamps his seal of approval on them.

[Marfrilau]

No story is canon, unless it's written by the original writer.

That is only one of the definitions of the word canon and it's not the one that is usually used when talking about what is canon in fictional universes like Warcraft or Star Wars. In this case canon means "a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works".

[Thraim]

I havent been following the lore of Legion closely, wanting to experience it for myself, but I did see the whole "child of light and shadow" crap. That is just bad fanfiction quality writing. I'm totally fine with them taking Illidan's character in the direction they are, but does everything have to have a "chosen one" prophecy?

[Felpacino]

So pretty much nothing in WoW is canon then. Metzen doesn't write every quest or even overarching storylines himself. He most likely gives direction to his writers and stamps his seal of approval on them.

The quests and storylines which are the continuation of the first 3 Warcraft games are canon, if they are written by Metzen himself. If an another writer would write a quest which would be the continuation the story of the previous Warcraft games, then it would be fanfiction. Just like in the Illidan case. His character is different, but Metzen would tell the same story in the end, because he gave the writers directions. The basics of the storyline is written by the original writer, but the other writers fill the blanks. How can it be canon then? They can't write the exact things which Metzen wanted to write. Every person thinks differently.

He may approve those all he wants, but that feels like a fanfiction to me. GRRM approves the Game of Thrones series, but those characters are not the same from the books.

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Canon Illidan: "I can sacrifice myself to save the world."
Fanfiction Illidan: "I can sacrifice the whole world to save the world."

That's what I meant to say. If the story would be written by the same person, then Illidan's character would be consistent.

Just to relieve you, I know that what those words mean. In the canon story, Illidan took the Hand of Gul'dan to end the corruption of the forest in War3. In a fanfiction story, it would be like, Illidan destroyed the Hand of Gul'dan, the corruption continued, but he rejected the power of being a demon. Like that.

Or let's say that you play a game with good and bad endings. In the sequel, the game continues from the good ending.

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No story is canon, unless it's written by the original writer.

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I never said that new Illidan's sacrifice policy is bad, I said that it doesn't fit his character.

As long as the stories creator says its canon, its canon.


You need to stop using words wrong.

You might not want it to be canon, but that doesnt make it non canon.

You can be 100% sure that anything that gets published officially about warcraft has been through chris and approved before it gets out

[Felpacino]

As long as the stories creator says its canon, its canon.


You need to stop using words wrong.

You might not want it to be canon, but that doesnt make it non canon.

You can be 100% sure that anything that gets published officially about warcraft has been through chris and approved before it gets out

I'm not saying that canon and fanfiction are opposite words, but he is not the same character. It's that simple. Compare his dialogues from War 3 to the ones in Legion. You'll see the difference. His character changed over time, sure, but some core character values don't change. They changed those core character values. He was a guy who would sacrifice himself to save the world, now he's a guy who would sacrifice the world itself to save it. That is not being consistent. Malfurion would sacrifice the world, not Illidan.

Think about the Star Wars novels and video games. Was there a character called Kyle Katarn in the movies? No. Then he is a work of fanfiction. Lucas may approve that character, but that doesn't make him canon. That's fanfiction. If Lucas himself would write that character, then he would be canon to the original story.

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I'm not saying that canon and fanfiction are opposite words, but he is not the same character. It's that simple. Compare his dialogues from War 3 to the ones in Legion. You'll see the difference. His character changed over time, sure, but some core character values don't change. They changed those core character values. He was a guy who would sacrifice himself to save the world, now he's a guy who would sacrifice the world itself to save it. That is not being consistent. Malfurion would sacrifice the world, not Illidan.

Think about the Star Wars novels and video games. Was there a character called Kyle Katarn in the movies? No. Then he is a work of fanfiction. Lucas may approve that character, but that doesn't make him canon. That's fanfiction. If Lucas himself would write that character, then he would be canon to the original story.

I'm not sure what you mean. He would do anything to save azeroth and thats what he still does.

If lucas says its canon, its canon. You need to stop using words wrong.

[Felpacino]

I'm not sure what you mean. He would do anything to save azeroth and thats what he still does.

If lucas says its canon, its canon. You need to stop using words wrong.

But he wouldn't do anything to save Azeroth before. He would do the right thing. Now, his mindset is sacrificing anything to save anything. Sacrifice isn't always the right thing. That's what emperors do. The people who don't value life, but only victory do. He was after the power, not the victory.

Then it's both canon and fanfiction.

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But he wouldn't do anything to save Azeroth before. He would do the right thing. Now, his mindset is sacrificing anything to save anything. Sacrifice isn't always the right thing. That's what emperors do. The people who don't value life, but only victory do. He was after the power, not the victory.

Then it's both canon and fanfiction.

Ehm. The right thing? no. Illidan has always done exactly what he could to become more powerful and battle the legion. Nothing less nothing more.

He killed plenty of night elves before

And no its non fan fiction. Fan fiction implies its written by fans and isnt canon

[Moozart]

He is definitely not the same Illidan from the Frozen Throne and TBC. His character changes over time ofc, the things happen to him gives his character arcs, but this? :

"They will stop at nothing to destroy our world... and we will sacrifice everything to save it." Isn't that what Malfurion does? Illidan sacrifices himself to save the world, not the world itself. That's not his mindset.

Illidan has always had this mindset, maybe you have not read many of the lore that hes in.

[Kokolums]

Illidan's original story arc had him written as the Warcraft version of Magneto, with Malfurion taking the role of Charles Xavier. Illidan was totally loyal to the Night Elves but was disgusted with Malfurion's idealism. Illidan would go to any length to save his people. In the comics, Magneto could shift between good and evil depending on circumstances which is what Illidan does.

The difference between Illidan and Magneto is style. Magneto is prim and proper while Illidan is rough and ready like Wolverine. A lot of fans latched onto Illidan's style (with tattoos all over, bare chested and brutish with the war glaives acting as Wolverine claws) and ignored his story arc so Illidan became the WoW version of Wolverine in terms of appeal.

Fans like him because they view him as a Wolverine type but he is actually Magneto.

Incidentally, Arthas is also a version of Magneto. He was willing to do anything to save his fellow human people. That lasted until his actions cost him his soul and now he feels nothing for his former people at all.

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Illidan's original story arc had him written as the Warcraft version of Magneto, with Malfurion taking the role of Charles Xavier. Illidan was totally loyal to the Night Elves but was disgusted with Malfurion's idealism. Illidan would go to any length to save his people. In the comics, Magneto could shift between good and evil depending on circumstances which is what Illidan does.

The difference between Illidan and Magneto is style. Magneto is prim and proper while Illidan is rough and ready like Wolverine. A lot of fans latched onto Illidan's style (with tattoos all over, bare chested and brutish with the war glaives acting as Wolverine claws) and ignored his story arc so Illidan became the WoW version of Wolverine in terms of appeal.

Fans like him because they view him as a Wolverine type but he is actually Magneto.

This is a really good explanation.

Gj

[DemonHunter18]

have you ever heard about character development???

[Ragetacular]

Dont play games that dont make you happy you desperate nerds

[Traveler Voltin]

so everything since cata isnt canon then? since kosak has been in charge since then.

[Ealyssa]

And who says that the Illidan book and Legion are canon for Illidan's story?

Huuuu ??? Blizzard ???

You know, the only people who can actually can say what is canon and what is not in their fantasy world. Not some edgy internet teen who plays too much.

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