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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    These "hoops" we took is established science.
    Well it is and it isnt to be honest. Have we taken these readings from mars, or even our moon? No, we havent.

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    Now explain to me the CMB data....this wasnt taken from the earth.
    It was taken very close still to earth. We haven't found a way to travel billions of lightyears yet to take a birdseye view of the universe.

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by FurryRedVixen View Post
    Flat Earth Supporter? -.-
    No, just a scientific illiterate who's strongest weapon is his/her ignorance.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Gurluas View Post
    I already did, check my post before the example last page. I explained how science works for you. Or you meant the actual CMB, it was taken in Earth's orbit. You need to understand, Earth is REALLY REALLY friggin small, and the universe is humongously huge.
    So you have figured out what max tegmark cannot? How about michio kaku?:
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...are-evidence-0

    Surely you are a brighter guy than michio kaku.

  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    Right im not making this some kind of proof for a geocentric universe, but it is kind of funny how many hoops people have went through just to write it off...
    NO no no no. You can't sit there and say

    Just another attempt from science to write off a creator, nothing will come from this. I am curious tho, what will be the dagger that shows we are the only life in the cosmos? Would a trip to one of jupiters moons be enough?
    And then follow it with all that drivel, misconstruing or ignoring sections of what that data means, claiming it might disprove the Copernican foundation, and then say you were not aiming at a geocentric model.

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    I find it curious how nowhere is it mentioned in the article that Proxima Centauri is the nearest star to Sol.

  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by FurryRedVixen View Post
    Flat Earth Supporter? -.-
    What, you mean to say....


    That earth isn't a blueberry pancake created by god unicorns who aren't god?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    So you have figured out what max tegmark cannot? How about michio kaku?:
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...are-evidence-0

    Surely you are a brighter guy than michio kaku.
    "says theoretical particles known as “primitive semi-radius tachyons” are physical evidence that the universe was created by a higher intelligence"
    theoretical particles
    ...
    physical evidence

    Something's off. Can you spot it?

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    So you have figured out what max tegmark cannot? How about michio kaku?:
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...are-evidence-0

    Surely you are a brighter guy than michio kaku.
    How did we go from talking about whether Earth was the center of the universe to whether the universe was created?
    The universe may very well have been designed by something, in fact there are some hypothesis that our entire universe is a simulation by some higher beings.
    But that's completely irrelevant to the current discussion. One thing is almost certain though, this "creator" assuming it exists, (for while we can theorize on the complexity of the universe we cannot prove the creator) is most certainly unrelated to any Earth religions.

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    theoretical particles
    ...
    physical evidence

    Something's off. Can you spot it?
    Ok? As is everything else in science today? How is dark matter working out for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurluas View Post
    How did we go from talking about whether Earth was the center of the universe to whether the universe was created?
    The universe may very well have been designed by something, in fact there are some hypothesis that our entire universe is a simulation by some higher beings.
    But that's completely irrelevant to the current discussion. One thing is almost certain though, this "creator" assuming it exists, (for while we can theorize on the complexity of the universe we cannot prove the creator) is most certainly unrelated to any Earth religions.
    You....just joined the thread. Hello, and welcome.

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    Ok? As is everything else in science today? How is dark matter working out for you?
    Who has said there's physical evidence of dark matter?

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    Ok? As is everything else in science today? How is dark matter working out for you?

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    You....just joined the thread. Hello, and welcome.
    There is physical evidence of Dark matter though, we just can't see it so we don't know what it is. But we know it's there because it affects other stuff gravitationally.
    To use an analogy you might understand, it's like hearing a sound but being unable to see what makes that sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    theoretical particles
    ...
    physical evidence

    Something's off. Can you spot it?
    Plus, "primitive semi-radius tachyons" is the most idiotic name for a particle ever. It was probably invented by a journalist.

  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Who has said there's physical evidence of dark matter?
    Who knows. It looks like he keeps moving the goalpost not only to alternate realities, but to different dimensions too, so that no one can reach.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

  15. #255
    lmao at two above people:

    First guy:
    "Who has said there is physical evidence of dark matter"

    Second guy"
    "There is physical evidence of dark matter tho"

    Both are as confident as ever.

    Just lol...

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Gurluas View Post
    There is physical evidence of Dark matter though, we just can't see it so we don't know what it is. But we know it's there because it affects other stuff gravitationally.
    To use an analogy you might understand, it's like hearing a sound but being unable to see what makes that sound.
    Don't give him more ammo please. That's not physical evidence, it's circumstantial evidence at best. It's inferred, not directly observed.

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    Ok? As is everything else in science today? How is dark matter working out for you?
    Dark matter is inferred by our current model of the universe, not the other way around which is what you are doing. Dark matter may not actually exist, as we have no PROOF of it's physical existence.
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.

  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikiy View Post
    I find it curious how nowhere is it mentioned in the article that Proxima Centauri is the nearest star to Sol.
    I am curious as to why it makes you curious. Alpha Centauri is our closest solar neighbor. Not nitpicking, just trying to understand why them not mentioning it in an article on a physics website would be odd.

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    lmao at two above people:

    First guy:
    "Who has said there is physical evidence of dark matter"

    Second guy"
    "There is physical evidence of dark matter tho"

    Both are as confident as ever.

    Just lol...
    Who has said I'm a guy?
    Point is though, it depends on what you mean of physical evidence. Have we discovered what Dark matter is exactly and how it works, have we observed it through electromagnetic radiation? No. Do we know it's there and how much it affects other stuff? Yes. There have been observations of mysterious matter causing gravitational lensing that we could not identify. And there is some theoretical matter composing 23% or so of all matter in the observable universe. Both are called Dark matter and may be the same.

    The thing is, it seems to completely ignore light. Light is electromagnetic radiation, light works in that it is constantly reflected and carries information about what it "touched". However, Dark matter does not reflect any light, therefore we cannot detect it since our eyes work by translating electromagnetic radiation into information to our brains. (And we use instruments converting light we cannot see, such as infrared into light that we can see to detect things that are blue or red shifted.) The CMB was not always Microwaves, once it was normal light we could have been. Imagine the entire universe being red or blue, that how it was at one point. And once day it will stop being microwaves and become radio as the echo becomes longer.

    But we've recently detected gravitational waves, perhaps that can be used to show us what Dark matter looks like one day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    The evidence is pointing towards it.
    There is absolutely ZERO evidence we had a creator. If you honestly think so, you are delusional.
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