Genn Greymane and Broken Shore Irony

[clevin]

At the beginning yes but not when they give the signal to retreat and the way they do retreat in Alliance cinematic is stupid, you're not gonna walk away in slow motion when you're General order you to get the fuck off.

That really is the issue. If you watch that part of the cinematic they quite calmly all turn around and walk off. Seeing JUST that, no one would think they were fighting desperately for their lives and were about to be over-run. What should Sylvanas have done? Send a message somehow (Valkyr, rider, whatever). But they did it this way because it explains the in-game attitude that the Horde simply fled. Remember, they're trying to set up conflict and tension from the point of view of the characters. As players we have a 3rd person perspective that no character in the game has.

[Torais]

And he is dumb because he starts to assume things without any proof of anything.
Aka he isn't wise he is just dumb/driven by the hatred for Sylvanas.

The cartoon super-villain that turned his city in to a pile of glowing green goo. I think I will forgive him for not giving the genocidal Cobra Commander of WoW the benefit of the doubt this time.

[FelPlague]

Well, as much as the new book is nice and all, it's just a huge retconn. Man, Outland was full of Illidan being worse than the Legion. I mean, it's good and all opinion that many sustain that "the ends justify the means", but... well. He like enslaved 30 races, let the naga drain the water from the citizens, didn't check friggin Kael'thas how he was doing (and didn't even tell Kael'thas how bad the Legion was? idk, but he could have been a better "mentor" to Kael). He's not a saint. Even tho he's obviously not as bad in general as the Legion, he's got many crimes to atone.

he dident trust kael, and he was right not to, as kaewl easily gave into kiljaden

illidan was draining the magic of netherstorm, and the waters of zangarmarsh to make a mega well, to empower his armies to defeat the legion

[Meaux]

Not exactly related, but another thing that bothered me was Genn saying "This isn't the same Legion we've fought before." What does Genn know about fighting the Legion anyway? Wasn't Gilneas already walled off when the Legion attacked?

[anaxie]

Well, as much as the new book is nice and all, it's just a huge retconn. Man, Outland was full of Illidan being worse than the Legion. I mean, it's good and all opinion that many sustain that "the ends justify the means", but... well. He like enslaved 30 races, let the naga drain the water from the citizens, didn't check friggin Kael'thas how he was doing (and didn't even tell Kael'thas how bad the Legion was? idk, but he could have been a better "mentor" to Kael). He's not a saint. Even tho he's obviously not as bad in general as the Legion, he's got many crimes to atone.

Why does it matter what Illidan was doing to ANYTHING on outland when the denizens of outland included The Illdari and the Legion and a few specifics that were so insignificant compared to illidans fortifaction of his bastion world and destruction of the Legion.

Slaves? Yup insubordinant dicks.

Shade of Akama? In Hindsight now Akama was a fucking dick. Good for Illidan.

Shattrath Attacked? Was known to be Kaels doing even back in TBC and Kael from launch content was already revealed to have changed sides.


So i mean Illidan Evil? Not rally. You literally had Cenarioun Circle jump to Outland and go omg. they are enslaving the rock experimenting on rock elementals. OH NO they are pumping and consolidating the water on outland. ......... pumping water. keep in mind SMV and hellfire two major bastions of Illidans forces had NO SOURCES OF WATER.

In the end it's like Illidan says in the DH opening cinematic. We were just a bunch of meddling ignorant fucks that went after the Legion that invaded from the Portal in TBC and started swinging at Illidans forces along with the Legion.

But who cares TBC was a fucking blast. #noregrets.

[Kaleredar]

Sylvanas should recognize other leaders rights to rule when her people aren't considered to have any rights by the Alliance.

I don't think Sylvanas really cares what her enemies think is right and wrong.

Seeing as a number of survivors from lordaeron make up the Alliance, (High elves included) they believe they have more of a right to the region than a ranger general that failed to defend her home then proclaimed her own sovereignty over the region.

[anaxie]

Not exactly related, but another thing that bothered me was Genn saying "This isn't the same Legion we've fought before." What does Genn know about fighting the Legion anyway? Wasn't Gilneas already walled off when the Legion attacked?

Pretty much

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Seeing as a number of survivors from lordaeron make up the Alliance, (High elves included) they believe they have more of a right to the region than a ranger general that failed to defend her home then proclaimed her own sovereignty over the region.

RIGHT TO REGION?

The region was in possession of King Arthas.

Sylvanas Drove him out. Then it was in possession of the Dreadlords and the Legion..... She.... drove them out.

If Lordaeron refuges want a home in Lordaeron the can have one in the ground.

The Kingdom of Lordaeron Died with Arthas Heir to the Throne
He even went as far as proclaim himself King Arthas when he returned to Lordaeron in Wc3 TFT.

Guess who drove the King of Lordaeron out of Lordaeron? Sylvanas.

This is all pointless though we saw the mass grave and failed campaign the alliance made against for themselves against the Forsaken in Cataclysm. it didn't go so well.

ANy further attempts in the region are likely to just get even worse results for the Alliance at this point.

[deadman1]

Because she did have a choice.

Not that Genn could see that. Watch the Alliance cinematic before blurting out stuff.

I've done both scenarios and seen both cinematics, she clearly didn't have a choice unless you consider having the entire horde leadership wiped out a choice.

[Dybia]

Isn't it ironic that Genn is blames the Horde for leaving the allaince and saving themselves at Broken Shore.

Doesn't that sound vaguely familiar to a certain member of an Alliance that put forth a half assed bare bones effort in the 2nd war until it hit their doorstep and then in the wars aftermath left the Alliance because they couldn't take Alterac Land and had to pay for the Prison camps. So they built a wall and sat behind it all the way through the third war watching misery unfold.

Fast track to cata and the undead Forsaken of the Third War and it's kingdoms ravaged Gilneas and now he is butthurt that not only does the Forsaken the people he was a complete shitbag to gave him his comeupins multiple times.

hes butthurt and he resents them. Must make him salty.

When was Genn a shitbag to the forsaken? The first time him or his people interacted with them was after they invaded his kingdom with no provocation.

I've done both scenarios and seen both cinematics, she clearly didn't have a choice unless you consider having the entire horde leadership wiped out a choice.

Question...why were they retarded enough to bring the entire horde leadership to the most dangerous battle on the planet? Why couldn't she have taken 5 seconds to shout over the ridge, "We're being overwhelmed!"?

[anaxie]

he dident trust kael, and he was right not to, as kaewl easily gave into kiljaden

illidan was draining the magic of netherstorm, and the waters of zangarmarsh to make a mega well, to empower his armies to defeat the legion

Well fuck I see nothing wrong with that.

I say nice going Azeroth and Cenarion druids. you sure fucked that up.

Think of how easy life would of been.

Destroy the Legion. Then Arthas invades

Illidan would gleefully return to icecrown with his new and improved army backed by the armies of Azeroth. Bend Arthas promptly over for an asspounding.

Woulda just been one big old song and dance.

By the time MoP rolled around it would of just been a tropical vacation with Nazgrim and Taylor playing beach volleyball with scantily dwarven women.

Things could of went differently. But we had to stick our nose in Illidans business.

[TheRagebear]

tl;dr more Sylvanas apologetics. Let's focus on the real issue with these cinematics,

Vol'jin gets stabbed in the front while yelling about how the demons were coming from behind.

[Kraineth]

When was Genn a shitbag to the forsaken? The first time him or his people interacted with them was after they invaded his kingdom with no provocation.

The forsaken are the undead citizens of Lordaeron.

When the undead scourge invaded Lordaeron, refugees pleaded to be allowed into gilneas to escape it. And not a single person was allowed inside the wall.

He even unleashed the worgen as an attempt to combat the scourge, not realizing the the worgen would kill the living as well.

So yes, Genn Greymane was a huge shitbag to the members of the forsaken, and is arguably responsible for them becoming undead to begin with.

[anaxie]

When was Genn a shitbag to the forsaken? The first time him or his people interacted with them was after they invaded his kingdom with no provocation.



Question...why were they retarded enough to bring the entire horde leadership to the most dangerous battle on the planet? Why couldn't she have taken 5 seconds to shout over the ridge, "We're being overwhelmed!"?

Because she sounded a horn that said the exact same message

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The forsaken are the undead citizens of Lordaeron.

When the undead scourge invaded Lordaeron, refugees pleaded to be allowed into gilneas to escape it. And not a single person was allowed inside the wall.

He even unleashed the worgen as an attempt to combat the scourge, not realizing the the worgen would kill the living as well.

So yes, Genn Greymane was a huge shitbag to the members of the forsaken, and is arguably responsible for them becoming undead to begin with.

Pretty much

I would like to believe when Garrosh ordered the invasion of Gilneas the Forsaken gleefully accepted the task.

[Adjusting]

he couldnt see what was going on up on the ridge.

This. He only knows what he knows.

[deadman1]

Question...why were they retarded enough to bring the entire horde leadership to the most dangerous battle on the planet? Why couldn't she have taken 5 seconds to shout over the ridge, "We're being overwhelmed!"?

Question, why was the Alliance dumb enough to bring the entire Alliance leadership to the most dangerous battle on the planet? Why couldn't Genn trust that they weren't being betrayed and just be a big puppy?

How is the massive horn blowing any different than Sylv saying "lel we routed"

[Kraineth]

Question...why were they retarded enough to bring the entire horde leadership to the most dangerous battle on the planet? Why couldn't she have taken 5 seconds to shout over the ridge, "We're being overwhelmed!"?

Because the broken shore was an all or nothing operation. They were led to believe that it was a small invasion force that was preparing for the arrival of the rest of the burning legion forces.

Stopping Guil'dan and stemming the tide was imperative. Why leave your best warriors behind in a battle that you think will decide everything?

As far as alerting the alliance, they knew instantly that the horde were retreating when she blew the horn, the cinematic proves that. As soon as the decision was made, the alliance were aware.

[anaxie]

Question, why was the Alliance dumb enough to bring the entire Alliance leadership to the most dangerous battle on the planet? Why couldn't Genn trust that they weren't being betrayed and just be a big puppy?

How is the massive horn blowing any different than Sylv saying "lel we routed"

They didn't
The Dwarves, Night Ellves, and Velen were sitting on their ass.

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Because the broken shore was an all or nothing operation. They were led to believe that it was a small invasion force that was preparing for the arrival of the rest of the burning legion forces.

Stopping Guil'dan and stemming the tide was imperative. Why leave your best warriors behind in a battle that you think will decide everything?

As far as alerting the alliance, they knew instantly that the horde were retreating when she blew the horn, the cinematic proves that. As soon as the decision was made, the alliance were aware.

They were told it was small force by a Dreadlord who replaced Mathias Shaw.

The Broken Shore was a Deathtrap

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Seeing as a number of survivors from lordaeron make up the Alliance, (High elves included) they believe they have more of a right to the region than a ranger general that failed to defend her home then proclaimed her own sovereignty over the region.

Why does many people think there are MANY Lordaeron refugees out there? High Elves - maybe they're like... 2 thousand? Human survivors... less than 5k, with even less now because of Scarlet massacre and LK massacre in Acherus? Really. There's not much people left of original Lordaeron. OH WAIT YES. They're the forsaken, and they live right there.

[deadman1]

They didn't
The Dwarves, Night Ellves, and Velen were sitting on their ass.

Fair but they did bring enough important people to counter that guys question.

[thebigman154]

[QUOTE=anaxie;41882286]They didn't
The Dwarves, Night Ellves, and Velen were sitting on their ass.
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THIS SO MUCH where the fuck were they , and where the fuck were lorthemar ,gallywix, the goblins and the belfs