How powerful is Kiljaedan ?

[jukez559]

I think that list would go: Kil'jaeden> Deathwing>Azshara>Arthas.



You realize Kil'jaeden made the Lich King right?

And you realize that Deathwing lost in combat to Khadgar way before we ever killed him.... so IMO deathwing will be near the bottom.

[Mueller Greyhound]

Most powerful being on Azeroth compared to all others.

Sag > Kij > Illidan = Arthas

[Shaqthefat]

Seriously...

What was your argument again?

[FelPlague]

People took ONE quote from ONE book and suddenly Azshara apparently is more powerful than Archimonde and equally powerful to Kil'jaeden... You people should just be quiet...

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i dont see your point? its not like its 1 qoute versus 1000 its the only qoute we have on her power, even illidans part backs it up that when he could see magic after sargeras gave him the vision of magic, she was insanly bright

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Not sure where you're getting that Kil'jaeden is more powerful than Archimonde or that Azshara is. In fact i'm pretty sure Archimonde is said to be more powerful than her in the war of the ancients trilogy, Mannoroth's "master" was Archimonde and not Kil'jaeden.

"Velen's fellow leaders were also his friends. He was particularly close to Kil'jaeden, the most powerful and decisive of the three.
Friends they had been down the years that had slipped by unnoticed by beings beyond the reach of time. That Kil'jaeden was
inclined to accept the offer carried more weight with Velen than Archimonde's opinion, which, though usually sound, could
occasionally be swayed by appeals to his vanity."

from rise of the horde... so umm... learn to read...

also not exactly, either of them could have been considered, and the thing is azshara alos became stronger after the war of the ancients, empowered by nzoth, so if she wasent stronger before, she is now

[The Professional]

Lich King>>Kil'jaeden>>Archimonde>>Mannaroth>>Deathwing>>C'thun.

[Wyrt]

And you realize that Deathwing lost in combat to Khadgar way before we ever killed him.... so IMO deathwing will be near the bottom.

If I remember correctly that was because Khadgar outsmarted Deathwing, not outpowered him.

[Rathbourne]

Lich King>>Kil'jaeden>>Archimonde>>Mannaroth>>Deathwing>>C'thun.

Bulldog !!! Where the hell have u been !! Havnt seen any good Lich King troll threads in a while.

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

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i dont see your point? its not like its 1 qoute versus 1000 its the only qoute we have on her power, even illidans part backs it up that when he could see magic after sargeras gave him the vision of magic, she was insanly bright

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"Velen's fellow leaders were also his friends. He was particularly close to Kil'jaeden, the most powerful and decisive of the three.
Friends they had been down the years that had slipped by unnoticed by beings beyond the reach of time. That Kil'jaeden was
inclined to accept the offer carried more weight with Velen than Archimonde's opinion, which, though usually sound, could
occasionally be swayed by appeals to his vanity."

from rise of the horde... so umm... learn to read...

also not exactly, either of them could have been considered, and the thing is azshara alos became stronger after the war of the ancients, empowered by nzoth, so if she wasent stronger before, she is now

Azshara had the well of eternity, she no longer does. All the talk about her being more powerful now is pure speculation.

Just like the empowered by nzoth card means nothing, because archimonde and kiljaeden are empowered by sargeras.

[FelPlague]

Azshara had the well of eternity, she no longer does. All the talk about her being more powerful now is pure speculation.

Just like the empowered by nzoth card means nothing, because archimonde and kiljaeden are empowered by sargeras.

they wre back then aswell

[Taeldorian]

lol you all think Sargeras is the strongest.

Will be funny in an expansion or 2 when he gets killed by a 2-3-9 set up in heroic or just 20 people in mythic.

Every one of those characters is or is to be dead.

Who is the one person we could not kill? Illidan,

Illidan = Stroncest.

You could say that about all the demons.

Whose the one we haven't been able to kill? Every demon that's ever been on Azeroth buddy.

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Lich King>>Kil'jaeden>>Archimonde>>Mannaroth>>Deathwing>>C'thun.

Oh it's you, with the Lich King fetish/Lich King thread troll person.

Good thing Kil jaeden was the creator of the Lich King, so that instantly puts Ner'zhul and Arthas right under KJ. He literally manipulated them into getting that power. It's nothing compared to KJ. Get outta here

[Traveler Voltin]

1. Sargeras
2. Kil'Jaeden
3. Illidan
4. Arthas

[Zulkhan]

based on lore it would have to be

Illidan > Arthas > Sargeras > KilJayden

Dankdruid being Dankdruid. Nothing to see here.

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Sargeras>>>>>>>>Kil'Jaedan>Archimonde>>Azshara>>Deathwing>Arthas/Illidan

I bet my balls that Azshara, in her current state, ain't worth a fart of Deathwing.

To me is more like: Sargeras >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kil'jaeden > Archimonde >> Deathwing >>>>>> Arthas >> Illidan >> Azshara

Say what you will, but to me Azshara ain't worth shit right now. She lost the Well of Eternity and whatever boost she got from the Old Gods (which honestly simply seems to stop at the Naga mutation) hasn't surely compensated it. Deathwing was uber strong because the Old God corruption twisted the Titan's powers he was gifted with. There's a reason if Deathwing's own capabilities had pretty much nothing related to Void shit.

She needs something more to be a threat of top-tier scale.

[Imbalanced]

*COUGH COUGH* points to post below yours

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kiljaden is said to be stronger then archimonde, and azshara only outclassed by master kiljaden himself

It's also said that sargeras would cower before the old gods. Not everything stated in lore is from a reliable source. You've got to make assumptions. When Sargeras recruited KJ and Archi he made Archimonde the leader of his army while KJ handles things from the shadows. One is brains the other is brawn.

[FelPlague]

It's also said that sargeras would cower before the old gods. Not everything stated in lore is from a reliable source. You've got to make assumptions. When Sargeras recruited KJ and Archi he made Archimonde the leader of his army while KJ handles things from the shadows. One is brains the other is brawn.

and who says a spell caster who has massive control over magic, is more powerful then a large brute?

[ThrashMetalFtw]

and who says a spell caster who has massive control over magic, is more powerful then a large brute?

Archimonde is also a "caster with massive control over magic". If you had to use in-game classes, both would be Warlocks. KJ was stronger than Achimonde when they were still regular Eredar. Even if he still is, it's not a noticeable difference. They are in the same league. KJ is the right hand, Archimonde is the left.

Putting KJ above Azshara, but Archimonde below, just doesn't make sense from any perspective. I also feel you are overrating her.

Sargeras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KJ/Archi > Deathwing > Azshara/Lich King > Illidan. Unless he gets some insane powerup in Legion, Illidan is obviously the weakest here. Putting Azsahra together with LK because we really have no idea how powerful she is, but we do know that all 3 where at one point considered THE strongest individual on Azeroth, and that all three are somewhere between KJ/Archi and lower BL leaders like Tichondrius and Mannoroth.

[Houle]

Sargeras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KJ/Archi > Deathwing > Azshara/Lich King > Illidan. Unless he gets some insane powerup in Legion, Illidan is obviously the weakest here. Putting Azsahra together with LK because we really have no idea how powerful she is, but we do know that all 3 where at one point considered THE strongest individual on Azeroth, and that all three are somewhere between KJ/Archi and lower BL leaders like Tichondrius and Mannoroth.

Fully agree with that one.

[Night Wind]

The OGs (except Y'Shaarj) were defeated by the Keepers (around Aspects level) + their titan-forged army (definitely weaker than us + the army of Azeroth).

Do you have an actual source for that? Seems like an assumption/headcanon.

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Where was there any lore comparison between Deathwing and Archimonde? Also, Deathwing was juiced up in Cataclysm and had his armor replaced to Elementium and (additionally empowered) Demon Soul was the only thing that could actually hurt him that the defenders of Azeroth could come up with. Also, Yogg was almost fully freed from his prison while from what I recall C'thun was fully freed already.

C'thun was fully free, but he wasn't at his full strength when players killed him.

So mostly corruption of things that Qualia did mention? As they said, they can corrupt World Souls as well and create Void Titans. Doesn't make Old Gods more powerful than Void Titans. As such, doesn't necessarily make them more powerful than other things they corrupt. Also, they lost the War of the Shifting Sands to Night Elves and few dragons.

The post I quoted (or my reply) mentioned fuck all about empowerment, it mentioned corruption and a war C'thun's forces lost (and in which C'thun didn't even fight personally so was monumentally idiotic example of C'thun's prowess in more way than one). If I were you I'd try to remember what my point even was before I called other people's points "fuck all bad".

No Old God fought in the war of the shifting sands, it was only the Qiraji that fought. The war of shifting sands happened 1000 years before the first war. C'thun was still imprisoned during that time. Since C'Thun only "recently" broke free during vanilla.

[Mehrunes]

C'thun was fully free, but he wasn't at his full strength when players killed him.

Can't recall the blue post talking about his strength, but I may be wrong.

No Old God fought in the war of the shifting sands, it was only the Qiraji that fought. The war of shifting sands happened 1000 years before the first war. C'thun was still imprisoned during that time. Since C'Thun only "recently" broke free during vanilla.

Which was my point.

[Zulkhan]

Can't recall the blue post talking about his strength, but I may be wrong.

It's a quote some people interpreted as proof that C'thun wasn't "at full strength", even though the wording could have much referred its armies rather than itself. Aka, the Horde and Alliance stroke against the Old God before it could build a powerful enough army to storm Kalimdor.

[Noocta]

IT's going to be interesting because I'm pretty sure Archimonde was stronger than Kil'Jaeden in raw power or strength, but definitely not the same level of tactician.

But after we kill Archimonde in the nether, without the power of anything special beside the rings Khadgar made for us, seems like we're pretty damn powerful already. In the end I think we killed Archi a bit too easily for power scales to make sense.