Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[alexw]

Those vile protesters who aggressively beat, shout, spit will all most likely vote "for her". So will BLM supporters.
Do you want your voice, your vote to be the same as theirs?

You guys prefer a polite person with a vile track record and history to a financial genius with a rude rhetoric.
I guess it's your consciousness. If Hillary wins, whatever she and her Obama 2.0 presidency will bring to you guys, you who voted for her will absolutely deserve it.

Yeah that's what happens when white supremacists and racists like yourself scapegoat minorities and use Trump as your vehicle to do it.

[Pangean]

.....and Ivanka Trump is on holiday with Putin's girlfriend......

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Last night another NY Times writer indicated that the Manafort article was the first one but that he was working on another Manafort article to drop later this week.

[Shalcker]

Donald Trump's campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, has been named in an investigation by Ukrainian authorities looking at whether he and others received millions in illegal payments from Ukraine's former pro-Russian ruling party, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/15/politi...ort/index.html
No offense, but I am going to go by what the world's news organizations are saying, versus what a Pro-Putin forum poster believes.

You mean same Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Bureau that still failed to produce any proofs that Yanukovich and his cronies stole anything... despite more then two years since "revolution"? And despite everyone being sure he did? To the point those cronies even got sanctions and asset freezes removed in EU? That Anti-Corruption Bureau?

If they suddenly found "hand written letter paying Manafort off the book millions", it is most likely they've written it themselves.
It's Ukraine, where "State Prosecutors are investigating who stole money intended to help fight corruption in State Prosecutors" (and predictably failing).

And did you actually read the article you linked? It says that despite all presented there is no evidence of Manafort ever getting those millions.

[fengosa]

I absolutely agree -- but the government could really use some good business practices, especially around procurement and concepts like continuous improvement and such.

Continuous improvement isn't something I've come to expect from the party that has their head up Reagan's ass.

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Yeah that's what happens when white supremacists and racists like yourself scapegoat minorities and use Trump as your vehicle to do it.

"YUH RAWCIST and SUPREMACIST." LOL, (and since you're obviously from the baseless accusation and namecalling front) thanks for the laugh my dear cuckold.
I think I will use this as my new signature.

Newsflash: Deporting illegals originating from safe-countries is not wrong and neither is it racist to criticize a dangerous ideology.
Anyway, don't forget to tell your wifes boyfriend to vote for Hillary.

Infracted - minor flaming

[Reeve]

The silent majority? They're really pulling out that old Nixonian line? If anything, they're the loud minority, not the silent majority. FFS.

Also, quoting Richard Nixon to try to convince people to vote for your already extremely sketchy candidate? Yeah, good plan there.

[alexw]

"YUH RAWCIST and SUPREMACIST." LOL, (and since you're obviously from the baseless accusation and namecalling front) thanks for the laugh my dear cuckold.
I think I will use this as my new signature.

Newsflash: Deporting illegals originating from safe-countries is not wrong and neither is it racist to criticize a dangerous ideology.
Anyway, don't forget to tell your wifes boyfriend to vote for Hillary.

Yup exactly the sort of reply I expect from someone who has drunk deep of the alt-right white supremacist fountain. When someone uses terminology such as "cucks" "thugs" and "cultural enrichment" you know what sort of mind-poison they have willingly imbibed and the sort of trash ideology they espouse.

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Yup exactly the sort of reply I expect from someone who has drunk deep of the alt-right white supremacist fountain. When someone uses terminology such as "cucks" "thugs" and "cultural enrichment" you know what sort of mind-poison they have willingly imbibed and the sort of trash ideology they espouse.

And people who spout the "you're a racist, supremacist, mysogynist, white male! etc. card" like yourself are caricatures that no person of worth wants to be associated with.
Btw, have you told him yet?

[fengosa]

"YUH RAWCIST and SUPREMACIST." LOL, (and since you're obviously from the baseless accusation and namecalling front) thanks for the laugh my dear cuckold.
I think I will use this as my new signature.

Newsflash: Deporting illegals originating from safe-countries is not wrong and neither is it racist to criticize a dangerous ideology.
Anyway, don't forget to tell your wifes boyfriend to vote for Hillary.

The southern strategy and white identity politics aren't new and Trump has doubled down on it. Immigration reform is a legitimate political discussion but calling Mexicans rapists isn't part of that discussion.

[fengosa]

And people who spout the "you're a racist, supremacist, mysogynist, white male! etc. card" like yourself are caricatures that no person of worth wants to be associated with.
Btw, have you told him yet?

Trump has played up division between race, religion, political affiliation, etc. It's sad that a politician willing to do so has made it this far in the process.

[DeadmanWalking]

Lol! -> When Donald Trump unveiled his council of economic advisors earlier this month, observers were quick to note some of the team’s unorthodox attributes: all of its 13 members are men, six are named Steve and only one has an advanced degree in economics.

But it turns out the council’s lone Ph.D. economist ― Peter Navarro, professor of economics and public policy at UC Irvine ― has never actually met or spoken to the Republican presidential nominee.

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Also, treating people badly, that have not done anything to you, because of their race, sex, etc, is "bigoted". Defending it in the guise of being "over-PC"/"SJW" etc, is being disingenuous at best, or at worst justifying your own failings as a modern person living in the modern world.

No one is disputing that. You are also calling those in the milwaukee riots, who beat up "every white they see" racist and bigoted I hope, because failing to do this is one of the double standards that is driving this country apart.

[alexw]

And people who spout the "you're a racist, supremacist, mysogynist, white male! etc. card" like yourself are caricatures that no person of worth wants to be associated with.
Btw, have you told him yet?

Please don't make me laugh.

There is a reason why Trump is getting politically crucified and moderates are running as fast away from your candidate as they can. Its you and your trash ideology they don't want to be associated with. Oh and I am simply stating what you are. I have been on these boards long enough to recognize your type very quickly indeed, and given the mind-filth your type keeps regurgitating here my tolerance for those like you has worn thin. If you don't like that, tough.

[Noxx79]

"YUH RAWCIST and SUPREMACIST." LOL, (and since you're obviously from the baseless accusation and namecalling front) thanks for the laugh my dear cuckold.
I think I will use this as my new signature.

Newsflash: Deporting illegals originating from safe-countries is not wrong and neither is it racist to criticize a dangerous ideology.
Anyway, don't forget to tell your wifes boyfriend to vote for Hillary.

It IS racist to call a judge biased against him because he's Hispanic.

Now go back to cowering in fear of the scary black man that's going to take your wife. That's all I see from someone who uses the term cuckold.
A pathetic shell of a person that knows they are physically and mentally incapable of satisfying their significant other, so they blame it on the scary black man or foreigner.

[Templar 331]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...I1a?li=BBnb7Kz

"Under those eight years, before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack in the United States," Giuliani said Monday

I don't know if I should laugh or be worried that Giuliani is starting to drink a hell of a lot of Trump's Kool aid.

[Deleted]

It IS racist to call a judge biased against him because he's Hispanic.

Now go back to cowering in fear of the scary black man that's going to take your wife. That's all I see from someone who uses the term cuckold.
A pathetic shell of a person that knows they are physically and mentally incapable of satisfying their significant other, so they blame it on the scary black man or foreigner.

You are one of those triggered caricatures. Keep calling everyone who disagrees with you racist, maybe your sad and pathetic self will have his problems solved by this one day. Surely.

[Pangean]

A review of Trump's "serrious veting tour" speech he gave today.

Analysis: Making Sense of Donald Trump's Disjointed Foreign Policy Pitch

What would Donald Trump do to fix the Middle East? Listening to his prescriptions, it's not an easy question to answer.

Trump sought to clarify his worldview with a prepared speech in Youngstown, Ohio, on Monday after a week of battles over his claim that President Obama "founded ISIS" and was the "MVP" of the Islamist terror group.

But setting aside the debate over that rhetoric, which he did not repeat in his speech, the national security framework he described was so contradictory and filled with so many obvious falsehoods that it's virtually impossible to tell what he would do as president.

Trump's "Obama founded ISIS" catchphrase is inflammatory, but it's not a literal argument (even though Trump initially insisted it was). Instead he's used the term to stitch together a patchwork of more mainstream criticisms that blame Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and former President George W. Bush for creating the current Middle East crisis. "Our current strategy of nation building and regime change is a proven, absolute failure," Trump said on Monday.

Under Trump's telling, Bush committed the initial sin by destabilizing the Middle East with his 2003 invasion of Iraq. This is a version of events more common on the left, but one that exists on the right as well.

Obama then made things worse with a "reckless" withdrawal of troops that created a "vacuum" for groups like ISIS to assert control. This is a frequent complaint from more neoconservative Republicans.

In addition, Trump said, Clinton exacerbated the problem by supporting airstrikes against Libyan dictator Muammar Gadhafi's "stable" regime, which provided Islamic radicals another weak state to serve as a base. He also argued Clinton and Obama should have supported Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak, rather than encouraged him to step down in the face of street protests. These too are relatively ordinary criticisms.

But these arguments, while unremarkable enough on their own, say nothing about Trump's instincts or how he would govern.

That's because Trump previously supported every single foreign policy decision he now decries.

Despite claiming daily that he opposed the Iraq War from the start, Trump endorsed deposing Saddam Hussein in a 2002 interview and there's no record of him opposing the war until after it had began. As for exiting the Iraq War, he said repeatedly in 2007 and 2008 that America should withdraw immediately and later recommended the same course for Afghanistan.

Turning to Libya, Trump recorded a video in 2011 demanding the Obama administration remove Gadhafi from power on humanitarian grounds. He went on to lie about his support for the Libya intervention in a Republican debate only to admit to it when confronted with footage of his old statements in a CBS interview. Finally, Trump called Mubarak's departure "a good thing" at the time before turning against the idea years later.

The result is that the only thing we know about Trump is that he's good at criticizing decisions by other presidents in hindsight. Unfortunately, this is not a very useful skill for the person tasked with making the decisions in the first place.

"He's best when he's making forceful retrospective critiques," Colin Dueck, a professor at George Mason University who's researched the history of Republican foreign policy, said when asked to describe Trump's worldview. "But when you ask him what specifically are you proposing going forward, he doesn't have a coherent proposal."

As Colin Powell famously cautioned George W. Bush ahead of the Iraq War, "you break it, you own it." The consequences of military action -- or inaction, in some of these cases -- are irreversible.

A "Blathering Jumble of Nonsense"
Trump's chameleon-like prescription for Middle East is not consistent with any one school of thought - or with itself. Sometimes he resembles a non-interventionist in the vein of Ron Paul, like when he decried nation building and regime change in his speech on Monday. At other times, he sounds like Genghis Khan, like when he demanded in the very same speech that our troops conquer oil fields in Iraq and Libya by force and claim the profits for America.

"In the old days when we won a war, to the victor go the spoils," Trump said on Monday, describing a doctrine that runs directly counter to the international regime America led the world in establishing and currently enforces.

The result of this confusing mix is that Trump has alienated Republican national security minds across a range of policy schools.

John Noonan, who advised Jeb Bush's campaign on national security, said Obama's "premature withdrawal from Iraq" was an avoidable mistake that contributed to the rise of ISIS and that Trump was accurate to point it out. But that doesn't mean Noonan is on board with the GOP nominee - far from it.

"The rest of his foreign policy is an absolutely blathering jumble of nonsense," he told NBC News. "I can't in good conscience sign my name to it."

In March, Noonan signed onto a letter with dozens of Republican foreign policy hands disavowing Trump in part because his policies are "wildly inconsistent and unmoored in principle."

Daniel Larison, a writer at the American Conservative, has spent years criticizing the Republican Party's foreign policy for leaning too hard on military operations to advance American interests. But despite Trump's stated opposition to "nation building" and toppling dictators by force, Larison opposes the nominee as well.

"Trump has relatively few antiwar conservative friends because he is not really reliably antiwar in any meaningful sense," Larison said. "He favors a much larger military budget, he usually has no strong objections to foreign wars when they begin, and he has little or no interest in diplomatic engagement that might avert conflict."

Trump's views on intervention weren't the only place where things ran off the rails. Adopting a standard GOP talking point, he decried Obama for a mythic "apology tour" on Monday and chided him for not championing feminism and gay rights abroad.

But this is at odds with his stated views as well, which have long been characterized by a deep contempt for any notion of human rights that might impede raw material gains. In addition to celebrating torture and regaling audiences with apocryphal tales of Americans committing war crimes, Trump has regularly argued America's own leaders should refrain from criticizing dictatorial regimes because America lacks the moral authority to do so.

"When the world looks at how bad the United States is, and then we go and talk about civil liberties, I don't think we're a very good messenger," Trump said last month when asked about concerns over a crackdown on opposition by Turkish leader Reccep Erdogan.

Pressed on MSNBC's Morning Joe last year over his praise for Russian dictator Vladimir Putin despite allegations he's murdered journalists and rivals, Trump responded: "I think our country does plenty of killing also."

In 2013, Trump also lavished praise on Putin in multiple interviews for writing an op-ed that criticized the very concept of American exceptionalism.

"You use a term like 'American exceptionalism,' and frankly, the way our country is being treated right now by Russia and Syria and lots of other places and with all the mistakes we've made over the years, like Iraq and so many others, it's sort of a hard term to use," Trump said on Fox News, adding that Putin was "extremely diplomatic" for pointing this out.

"America First" a Departure From GOP Philosophy
Outside of the Middle East, Trump's "America First" foreign policy views are at least somewhat more consistent. He's long described international relations as a zero-sum gain between strong winners and weak losers in ways that apply to both national security and trade. Trump has consistently called for new tariffs to protect workers from foreign competition and he's cast a skeptical eye towards alliances like NATO, which he's threatened to abandon in recent months if member states don't pay enough for protection.

Dueck compared Trump's perspective to the original "America First" movement, which resisted foreign entanglements and sought American neutrality in World War II.

"Trump's actually been saying for decades that he thinks U.S. alliances are more of a burden than an asset, he's been saying for decades he against free trade deals like NAFTA," Dueck said. "He's very volatile and contradictory day to day but he has been actually saying this for years."

All of this would be a major break from the last seven-plus decades of Republican and Democratic presidents. But at least American voters could fairly say they were warned if he implemented this approach. No one, probably not even Trump himself, knows how what he'd do about the Middle East.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...-pitch-n631311

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...I1a?li=BBnb7Kz



I don't know if I should laugh or be worried that Giuliani is starting to drink a hell of a lot of Trump's Kool aid.

Best election ever! I don't know any other candidates and parties that could top this shit show. I mean maybe David Duke but the things that come out of this mouth aren't anywhere near as funny as Trump.

[alexw]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...I1a?li=BBnb7Kz



I don't know if I should laugh or be worried that Giuliani is starting to drink a hell of a lot of Trump's Kool aid.

Its things like this that leave you absolutely dumbfounded. I mean, what does he think the invasion of Afghanistan was for???

People are not wrong when they say reality has a liberal bias........

[Tijuana]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...I1a?li=BBnb7Kz



I don't know if I should laugh or be worried that Giuliani is starting to drink a hell of a lot of Trump's Kool aid.

You know he is on his staff, right? He isn't drinking Kool-Aid, he is on the clock.