Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...I1a?li=BBnb7Kz



I don't know if I should laugh or be worried that Giuliani is starting to drink a hell of a lot of Trump's Kool aid.

At this point he's basically in full senile, angry old man mode. I've given up any hope that he'll return to reality.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

You know he is on his staff, right? He isn't drinking Kool-Aid, he is on the clock.

What he said was wrong how is what your wrote a defense?

[Pangean]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...I1a?li=BBnb7Kz



I don't know if I should laugh or be worried that Giuliani is starting to drink a hell of a lot of Trump's Kool aid.

You can do both. But given all the rewriting of history by Giuliani, Pierson et al it appears this is a campaign strategy or they are all fucking stupid.

[Tijuana]

What he said was wrong how is what your wrote a defense?

I don't follow you. Can I get a couple more sentences to flesh that thought out?

[Etselion]

"YUH RAWCIST and SUPREMACIST." LOL, (and since you're obviously from the baseless accusation and namecalling front) thanks for the laugh my dear cuckold.
I think I will use this as my new signature.

Newsflash: Deporting illegals originating from safe-countries is not wrong and neither is it racist to criticize a dangerous ideology.
Anyway, don't forget to tell your wifes boyfriend to vote for Hillary.

1.- Weeb avatar √
2.- Buzzwords √
3.- Petty attempt at being witty √

Yep, an alt-right Trump supporter.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

I don't follow you. Can I get a couple more sentences to flesh that thought out?

He said there were no successful terrorist attacks in the us before Obama was elected and that's just wrong. That assertion is just wrong and staffing issues or whatever you wrote don't change the fact it was ignorant and wrong.

[Tijuana]

He said no successful terrorist attack in the us before Obama was elected and that's just plan wrong. That assertion is just plain wrong and staffing issues or whatever you wrote don't change the fact it was ignorant as well as wrong.

My point was that saying he is starting to drink Trump's Kool-Aid makes little sense considering he is an employee.

Also, I'm pretty sure of all the people on this planet, Rudi Guliani is aware of the 9/11 attack. You do know he was mayor of New York then, right? You do know that he literally was in charge of the response to it, right? You do know that the only reason we even know his name, is because of that attack, right?

What he meant to say was obviously the same tired old talking point that there were no attacks on US soil, under Bush, AFTER 9/11. The right has said that 870987097898798709879 times.

It's so intellectually dishonest, to say that Guiliani was unaware of 9/11, I wouldn't have even commented on that directly, had you not quoted me.

[Thepersona]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...I1a?li=BBnb7Kz



I don't know if I should laugh or be worried that Giuliani is starting to drink a hell of a lot of Trump's Kool aid.

does Giuliani remember those 2 towers in NY?

What he meant to say was obviously the same tired old talking point that there were no attacks on US soil, under Bush, AFTER 9/11. The right has said that 870987097898798709879 times.

It's so intellectually dishonest, to say that Guiliani was unaware of 9/11, I wouldn't have even commented on that directly, had you not quoted me.

well, that's false:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror...000.E2.80.9309

[Reeve]

Donald Trump calling for "extreme vetting" of the ideology of people attempting to enter the US. I'm glad we're getting a chance to do our own "extreme vetting" of his ideology to prevent him from entering the White House.

The irony of this is hilarious:

Those who do not believe in our Constitution, or who support bigotry and hatred, will not be admitted for immigration into the country," Trump said. "Only those who we expect to flourish in our country — and to embrace a tolerant American society — should be issued immigrant visas."

Trump clearly does not believe in our Constitution. He clearly supports bigotry and hatred, and he embraces an intolerant American society. Can we kick him out of the country now?

[Tijuana]

Donald Trump calling for "extreme vetting" of the ideology of people attempting to enter the US. I'm glad we're getting a chance to do our own "extreme vetting" of his ideology to prevent him from entering the White House.

The irony of this is hilarious:

Those who do not believe in our Constitution, or who support bigotry and hatred, will not be admitted for immigration into the country," Trump said. "Only those who we expect to flourish in our country — and to embrace a tolerant American society — should be issued immigrant visas."

Trump clearly does not believe in our Constitution. He clearly supports bigotry and hatred, and he embraces an intolerant American society. Can we kick him out of the country now?

Trump doesn't understand the constitution you say but, you want him to be kicked out for having different views than yours? Pot, meet kettle.

[alexw]

My point was that saying he is starting to drink Trump's Kool-Aid makes little sense considering he is an employee.

Also, I'm pretty sure of all the people on this planet, Rudi Guliani is aware of the 9/11 attack. You do know he was mayor of New York then, right? You do know that he literally was in charge of the response to it, right? You do know that the only reason we even know his name, is because of that attack, right?

What he meant to say was obviously the same tired old talking point that there were no attacks on US soil, under Bush, AFTER 9/11. The right has said that 870987097898798709879 times.

It's so intellectually dishonest, to say that Guiliani was unaware of 9/11, I wouldn't have even commented on that directly, had you not quoted me.

We are not saying he is unaware. We are saying he is lying his face off. Well either that or he's gone senile.

[Aggrophobic]

You are one of those triggered caricatures. Keep calling everyone who disagrees with you racist, maybe your sad and pathetic self will have his problems solved by this one day. Surely.

Whats with all the personal attacks? Calm down.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

My point was that saying he is starting to drink Trump's Kool-Aid makes little sense considering he is an employee.

Also, I'm pretty sure of all the people on this planet, Rudi Guliani is aware of the 9/11 attack. You do know he was mayor of New York then, right? You do know that he literally was in charge of the response to it, right? You do know that the only reason we even know his name, is because of that attack, right?

What he meant to say was obviously the same tired old talking point that there were no attacks on US soil, under Bush, AFTER 9/11. The right has said that 870987097898798709879 times.

It's so intellectually dishonest, to say that Guiliani was unaware of 9/11, I wouldn't have even commented on that directly, had you not quoted me.

His statement is still wrong. He also said there were no Islamic terrorist attack before Obama, he never specified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rorist_attacks

[Tijuana]

We are not saying he is unaware. We are saying he is lying his face off. Well either that or he's gone senile.

You are either being intellectually dishonest, or you just don't get it. What is going on in that clip, is that he has said that same talking point so many times, that he is already thinking about what he will say after it.

You are actually putting forth the notion that a man would go on national TV, and deny 9/11 happened, even though we have endless footage of him on camera responding to it. I mean, at some point, you gotta just step back in to reality. FFS, the old bastard misspoke. To call that an intentional lie is just ridiculous.

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His statement is still wrong. He also said there were no Islamic terrorist attack before Obama, he never specified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rorist_attacks

He never specified because everyone on the planet, that does not post here, knows what he meant. What you surmise is just silly. Find something more worthwhile to do with your time, like talking about the myriad of legitimate concerns about Trump/Hillary.

[Pangean]

Another review of the "serious vetting tour".

Donald Trump’s ‘Plan’ to Defeat Terrorism: A Little Obama, A Lot Illegal, and Inaccurate

Parts of what the GOP nominee did recommend the president is already doing, and much of the rest would run up against reality or the U.S. Constitution.

Republican nominee Donald Trump gave what his campaign billed as a major national security address on Monday that was intended to lay out his plan to defeat terrorism and move from “nation building” to realism.

But given the opportunity to show that continued controversial statements on foreign policy issues are a distraction from a serious campaign rather than its substance, the New York businessman either seemed to borrow heavily from the president he just last week said “founded” ISIS, or described actions that were divorced from reality.

“Extreme vetting”

One of the few new recommendations from Trump’s speech was a beefed-up version of his on-again-off-again ban on Muslims entering the U.S., which legal experts have broadly said would be unconstitutional.

In a practice he described as “extreme, extreme vetting” — a term nowhere in the prepared, media-footnoted version of the speech shared by the campaign — Trump said his administration would “only admit into this country those who share our values and respect our people” and would weed out “any who have hostile attitudes” or “do not believe in our Constitution.” Trump compared it to “ideological screening” tests he said were used during the Cold War.

Trump said his administration would temporarily suspend immigration from countries “with a history of exporting terrorism” where the State and Homeland Security Departments determined “adequate screening cannot take place” until his officials set up the new U.S. vetting system.

But that system — which would effectively ban any immigration from Europe, where the State Department has cautioned Americans about security concerns due to terrorist threats, as well as from the Middle East and likely Africa — would probably in and of itself would likely be deemed unconstitutional and illegal for reasons similar to its initial form, given the U.S. Constitution’s equal protection clause and the First Amendment’s enshrining of the freedom of religion, as well as agreements the U.S. has signed with other countries.

He gave no details for how it would be enforced or how much it would cost.

The United States has one of the strictest vetting procedures for refugees of any country in the world, taking an average of 18 to 24 months. The Obama administration also has lifted the cap on the total number of refugees from around the world to 100,000 by 2017, far fewer than the onslaught Trump described.

“I was an opponent of the Iraq war from the beginning”

Trump repeatedly claims he had always opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, drawing a contrast with Hillary Clinton, who voted in favor of it while a New York senator. The Republican — like Clinton’s Democratic primary rival, Bernie Sanders — argues that Clinton’s backing for the war shows that she has bad judgement when it comes to vital national security and foreign policy issues.

But the Manhattan real estate magnate is on the record saying he was for the Iraq War before he was against it. When radio host Howard Stern asked him in September of 2002 whether he supported invading Iraq, he said, “Yeah, I guess so. You know, I wish it was, I wish the first time it was done correctly.” He also supported withdrawal from the country, telling CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in 2007, years before the Obama administration’s withdrawal in 2011, “You know how they get out? They get out … Declare victory and leave, because I’ll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. They’re in a civil war over there, Wolf. There’s nothing that we’re going to be able to do with a civil war.”

That didn’t stop the mogul from slamming Obama on Monday for pulling out of Iraq and arguing that doing so set the conditions for the rise of the Islamic State.

“I have often said that General MacArthur and General Patton would be in a state of shock if they were alive today to see the way President Obama and Hillary Clinton try to recklessly announce their every move before it happens – like they did in Iraq – so that the enemy can prepare and adapt,” Trump continued.

But it was Republican President George W. Bush who announced the timeline for the withdrawal after failing to get a security agreement with the Iraqi government to keep troops there.

“Our current strategy of nation-building and regime change is a proven failure.”

Trump consistently contrasts his “America First” foreign policy with what he derides as a “Obama-Clinton” foreign policy of fomenting instability by toppling strongmen and engaging in long, costly, and ultimately futile efforts to rebuild war-shattered nations and impose new forms of government.

They never should’ve “attempted to build a democracy in Libya,” he said, a knock at Obama’s 2011 intervention there.

The president had taken office saying he wanted to move U.S. foreign policy away from the kind of adventurism that bogged the U.S. down in the Middle East during the Bush administration.

Obama did reluctantly support the military push that resulted in the removal of Libyan President Muammar Qaddafi, which Clinton also supported. But both have subsequently said their primary regret in Libya was not planning for what came after. The country has since devolved into what is effectively a failed state, with competing governments and vast stretches of lawless country that have at times been controlled by an offshoot of the Islamic State.

Trump also was for the intervention in Libya, saying at the time, “At this point, if you don’t get rid of Qaddafi it’s a major, major black eye for this country.”

In the same speech Monday, Trump seemed to advocate for a practice associated with nation building broadly prohibited by international law: nation plundering.

“In the old days, when we won a war, to the victor belonged the spoils,” Trump said, repeating as if in refrain that remarkably was apparently on-script: “Keep the oil, keep the oil, keep the oil.”

On this point, Trump has been consistent, saying early in his campaign the U.S. should’ve seized Iraq’s oil and given the proceeds to veterans (though he has a mixed record there.) The problem with the “old days” was they were marked by colonization that depleted countries’ resources, destroyed their environments and slaughtered their citizens.

“I also believe we can find common ground with Russia in the fight against ISIS”

“Wouldn’t that be a good thing?” Trump ad-libbed, from a speech in which he mostly turned from one Teleprompter to another.

Trump’s rhetorical olive branch to Russia is an offshoot of remarks earlier in his campaign asking “What’s wrong with having Russia drop bombs all over ISIS?” and suggesting the U.S. maybe should leave Syria to be an “ISIS-free zone.”

But they add to a pattern of friendliness toward Moscow that takes on more unsettling implications in the wake of a New York Times report with the strongest evidence to date that Trump’s campaign manager Paul Manafort maintains an interest in pro-Russian politics and business in embattled Ukraine.

The Obama administration, too, has sought to work with Russia to find a political resolution to the civil war, saying Washington has “common ground” with Moscow there.

But those efforts have been frustrated in part by Russia working against resolving the conflict, striking opposition fighters — including those trained by the U.S. — instead of ISIS, and shoring up the Assad regime.

‘But it is time to put the mistakes of the past behind us, and chart a new course.’

Trump proposed working with NATO on counterterrorism; convening international conferences on countering ISIS and other militant groups; working with Middle East allies, in particular Israel, Jordan and Egypt, to fight ISIS; expanding intelligence sharing; countering ISIS online; and capturing “high-value” targets in order to glean valuable intelligence for dismantling terrorist networks.

All of which the Obama administration has done or is already doing.

And in the last 72 hours alone, U.S.-backed rebels have made notable gains in Libya and Syria, taking back ISIS strongholds after American warplanes bombarded the militants from above.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, those were two things the garrulous GOP nominee chose not to mention.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/15/...ampaign=buffer

[Templar 331]

To call that an intentional lie is just ridiculous.

Considering Trump went on radio and explicitly said that Obama and Hillary founded ISIS it's not that ridiculous.

[Reeve]

Trump doesn't understand the constitution you say but, you want him to be kicked out for having different views than yours? Pot, meet kettle.

The difference being that I'm not serious about kicking him out of the country.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

You are either being intellectually dishonest, or you just don't get it. What is going on in that clip, is that he has said that same talking point so many times, that he is already thinking about what he will say after it.

You are actually putting forth the notion that a man would go on national TV, and deny 9/11 happened, even though we have endless footage of him on camera responding to it. I mean, at some point, you gotta just step back in to reality. FFS, the old bastard misspoke. To call that an intentional lie is just ridiculous.

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He never specified because everyone on the planet, that does not post here, knows what he meant. What you surmise is just silly. Find something more worthwhile to do with your time, like talking about the myriad of legitimate concerns about Trump/Hillary.

It's silly to point out when someone basically told a lie on national television... There were several Islamic terrorist attacks before Obama that is a fact. The man speaking in the video linked basically lied another fact.

[Tijuana]

Considering Trump went on radio and explicitly said that Obama and Hillary founded ISIS it's not that ridiculous.

Fair enough, lol. But, Trump is the exception to nearly every rule about humans.

Seriously though, it makes no sense for Rudi to be a 9/11 denier. Anyone who thinks that, isn't worth their oxygen supply.

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2.- Buzzwords √
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Yep, an alt-right Trump supporter.

1.- Jan 2016 ban avoidance account
2.- Calls people weebs and nerds, yet posts in a video game forum
3.- No substance

Shill supporter detected. They should get more intelligent ones.

Whats with all the personal attacks? Calm down.

Just defending myself from those attacks.