How safe is Shadow for Legion?

[Dracovian]

What I mean is, are the numbers solid enough that even if they get a nerf they will still be among the top dps specs? I am trying to choose between a Hunter, Mage and Shadow Priest to use my 100 boost for Legion.

[Ponk]

If you go mage and don't suck, you'll never have to worry about numbers again

[davesignal]

The biggest challenge with mage is staying awake.

Frostbolt.. Frostbolt.. Frostbolt.. Oh, Ice Lance.. Frostbolt.. Frostbolt.. Glacial Spike.. Frostbolt.. yawn..

[CapybaraSlayer]

The biggest challenge with mage is staying awake.

Frostbolt.. Frostbolt.. Frostbolt.. Oh, Ice Lance.. Frostbolt.. Frostbolt.. Glacial Spike.. Frostbolt.. yawn..

Fire is fun to play, Frost usually is more PvP orientated than PvE.

[Nefarious Tea]

Fire is fun to play, Frost usually is more PvP orientated than PvE.

I find fire extremely clunky. You have to sit and wait after casting fireball (ie. doing nothing for a GCD) since Heating Up/Hotstreak proc on spell hit rather than cast to see if you get to cast fire blast to proc Hot Streak or have to recast fireball.

Frost's current problem is that it is either bugged or the tooltip's information is gratuitously incorrect, because Brain Freeze and Frost Fingers don't proc anywhere near their stated percentages from Frostbolt, which makes the rotation less dynamic than it should be.

[Deleted]

Fire is fun to play, Frost usually is more PvP orientated than PvE.

Fireball, Fireball, Pyro, Fireball, Fireblast, Pyro, Fireblast, Pyro, Phoenix, Pyro, Phoenix, Pryo, Fireblast, Pyro, Phoenix, Pyro, Fireblast, Pyro

Yeah, i can see the difference

[Rhyseh]

What I mean is, are the numbers solid enough that even if they get a nerf they will still be among the top dps specs? I am trying to choose between a Hunter, Mage and Shadow Priest to use my 100 boost for Legion.

Priest is awesome right now, however I suspect they will nerf us. They normally expect us to play at 200% the effort to be on par with the likes of average Hunters and Mages.

[CapybaraSlayer]

Fireball, Fireball, Pyro, Fireball, Fireblast, Pyro, Fireblast, Pyro, Phoenix, Pyro, Phoenix, Pryo, Fireblast, Pyro, Phoenix, Pyro, Fireblast, Pyro

Yeah, i can see the difference

I find it to be more fast-paced, especially during the burst phase at the start. Getting pyro proc after pyro proc is a very satisfying feeling.

[Charge me Doctor]

I find fire extremely clunky. You have to sit and wait after casting fireball (ie. doing nothing for a GCD) since Heating Up/Hotstreak proc on spell hit rather than cast to see if you get to cast fire blast to proc Hot Streak or have to recast fireball.

Frost's current problem is that it is either bugged or the tooltip's information is gratuitously incorrect, because Brain Freeze and Frost Fingers don't proc anywhere near their stated percentages from Frostbolt, which makes the rotation less dynamic than it should be.

Waaaah? That's not how you fire mage

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Fireball, Fireball, Pyro, Fireball, Fireblast, Pyro, Fireblast, Pyro, Phoenix, Pyro, Phoenix, Pryo, Fireblast, Pyro, Phoenix, Pyro, Fireblast, Pyro

Yeah, i can see the difference

Your scenario doesn't make sense, first two fireballs do crit, or you hardcast Pyro? Why if frist fireball crit you don't use fireblast, you sit capped on 2 stacks of fireblast for what reason? Are you even trying m8?

But back OT: yeah, Shadow is very safe for legion, it has fun gameplay, some options to spice it up via talents and you have one of the best artifacts in the game. I would definitely go shadow as main character if i didn't had such a big hardon on fire mage

[Deleted]

Getting pyro proc after pyro proc is a very satisfying feeling.

And a very unbalanced too, if you look at some beta raiding logs. But since 98% of mage players are going fire in legion, this wont be a problem.

Herp Derp

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Are you even trying m8?

Not rly. Its Mage. Smash some buttons and you do ~20% more dmg than anyone else. I couldnt care less.

[Yizu]

]I find fire extremely clunky. You have to sit and wait after casting fireball (ie. doing nothing for a GCD) since Heating Up/Hotstreak proc on spell hit rather than cast to see if you get to cast fire blast to proc Hot Streak or have to recast fireball[/B].

Frost's current problem is that it is either bugged or the tooltip's information is gratuitously incorrect, because Brain Freeze and Frost Fingers don't proc anywhere near their stated percentages from Frostbolt, which makes the rotation less dynamic than it should be.

Eh lol thats not how u play fire. Theres a reason why fireblast is castable while casting another spell. You should always be casting, u proc that heating up from first fireball while casting 2nd fireball and use fireblast and follow up a pyro on your second fireball.

[Rhyseh]

This thread isn't about how you play a mage guys.....

Here's a thread where you can argue about mage rotation semantics to your hearts content:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...eta-Megathread

[Charge me Doctor]

This thread isn't about how you play a mage guys.....

Here's a thread where you can argue about mage rotation semantics to your hearts content:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...eta-Megathread

To be fair, you can't make good comparison of how fun "a hunter, a mage and a shadow priest" is without discussing rotations of all of them. Or i get OP wrong and he is talking about numbers, which will be eventually nerfed/buffed. I would personally go for fun over DPS numbers

[Rhyseh]

To be fair, you can't make good comparison of how fun "a hunter, a mage and a shadow priest" is without discussing rotations of all of them. Or i get OP wrong and he is talking about numbers, which will be eventually nerfed/buffed. I would personally go for fun over DPS numbers

His post specifically asks about numbers. If it is about fun then arguing about rotations and openers on a forum isn't a very effective way of communicating how much fun something is to play. Statements like "Mages are fun, fire's opener is amazing." are much more effective.

OP play whatever you enjoy. If you want to be one of the top DPS; go mage or hunter. I'm pretty cynical about shadow these days. I'm waiting for the announcement of the shadow nerfs that will inevitably come. I hope they don't, but we haven't been this strong for a long time and I doubt blizzard will let it continue.....

[britishbubba]

I find fire extremely clunky. You have to sit and wait after casting fireball (ie. doing nothing for a GCD) since Heating Up/Hotstreak proc on spell hit rather than cast to see if you get to cast fire blast to proc Hot Streak or have to recast fireball.

Frost's current problem is that it is either bugged or the tooltip's information is gratuitously incorrect, because Brain Freeze and Frost Fingers don't proc anywhere near their stated percentages from Frostbolt, which makes the rotation less dynamic than it should be.

You can cast fire blast while casting another spell, so when you get a HU proc you fire blast then cast pyro when your current cast finishes.

[Yizu]

This thread isn't about how you play a mage guys.....

Here's a thread where you can argue about mage rotation semantics to your hearts content:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...eta-Megathread

Well this thread is pointless if wer not comparing classes of how they work. Blizz can nerf fire mage numbers this exact moment im writing this post >.<

[Deleted]

What I mean is, are the numbers solid enough that even if they get a nerf they will still be among the top dps specs? I am trying to choose between a Hunter, Mage and Shadow Priest to use my 100 boost for Legion.

The thing is Hunter and Mage are looking as solid as they have the last expansions. You have really good AOE burst on trash and DMG overall. You will easly find a Mithic+ and Raid Spot. Plus you have 3 dps specs one of them will be a viable choice in PvE or PvP content.

Priest on the other Hand is more of an experiment. We will have to see how strong our Artifact traits boost our aoe potenial because right now it`s really not that great and a good 60% of mythic dungeons depend on that. That being said my guild and many guildleaders i know specifically search for 1-2 shadows because we and Warriors are the only specs in the entire game which still have their execute. Shadow is really good at single target and likes adds spawning because of twist of fate. The fact that your DMG goes under the fing roof with StM at the end of an bossfight allows your raid to bypass the occasional enrage at 30% very fast which helps your tanks and healers.

[Narshe]

I find fire extremely clunky. You have to sit and wait after casting fireball (ie. doing nothing for a GCD) since Heating Up/Hotstreak proc on spell hit rather than cast to see if you get to cast fire blast to proc Hot Streak or have to recast fireball.

Frost's current problem is that it is either bugged or the tooltip's information is gratuitously incorrect, because Brain Freeze and Frost Fingers don't proc anywhere near their stated percentages from Frostbolt, which makes the rotation less dynamic than it should be.

Fireblast doesnt have a GCD and can be used while casting a spell.

[Favella]

How good is SPriest in PVP ?

[davesignal]

Getting worse all the time.