Nope. Not again.
I've seen this exact same thread with the exact same arguments multiple times over the course of this single week alone.
Sylvanas wants everything, even other Horde territory, north of the Thandol Span to be Forsaken land and will blight everything in sight until she gets her desire. The only thing she might not go for is Quel'Thalas, and even that is questionable.
Jaina feels like the Horde at this point is completely irredeemable because Blizz clearly gave her borderline personality disorder, why else would she keep going completely bonkers. As a note though, I'd like to point out that in WoD, she still refused to let the Horde in Kirin Tor holdings in Draenor at first, but relents after Khadgar explained the situation, and even then was like "I'll kill you the instant you try anything".
Genn saw the Forsaken lead a Horde sanctioned, genocidal invasion into his kingdom. He knows Sylvanas lies directly to ther members of the Horde ("I won't use the plague. ...is he gone? BOMB EVERYTHING!"), and killed his son (granted the arrow was meant for Genn himself, but still). Gilneas is a nearly completely abandoned lost cause that's teetering on Plaguelands-level fucked up all because of Sylvanas, who he knew was leading the Horde at the Broken Shore, and blames her squarely. (He says "I knew we couldn't trust her" instead of "I knew we couldn't trust them.")
Sylvanas might try to do what's best for the Horde now, but she's still a provenly selfish person wth her own agenda. Jaina is close to same way now. Genn just wants the justice he feels he never got.
Jaina gonna go full on crazy mode in 7.2, will make suicide bombing "Kul'Tiras soldiers morph into Horde people" in Alliance cities to create conflict, start attacking Horde with a massive fleet and then...Vol'Jin's Spirit leading Zandalari troops will come save the day and expose her treachery. Jaina will then lose her mind completely and will become the Avatar of Sargeras and we kill her in last raid.
But seriously, she will do some crazy things during Legion to alienate the Alliance against the Horde.
So far im so tired of Jaina is ready to mop the floor with the horde but of course the story wrighters will never let that happen. Fuck khadgar and anduin. Would be nice if they let us shape the story in game with choices. Like say if players wanted to follow Jaina they could get more pvp/WPVP content quests or something and those that stayed with the boy king could...go grow some flowers with the druids. Maybe its from a RP stand point but as a warrior I do not accept or follow this new king...Magni should be leader of the aliance at the very least.
Tirion could be the leade.. .o right
Hey maybe they could kill off the royal bloodline and admiral taylor could have a big part.... oh they killed him too in wod
Im sick of being human at this point I will race change just need to decide.
Question how is prophet velen in the priest order hall? THought he got like....fried in the light
"I'm Tru @ w/e I do" ~ TM
So the better option is totally just to resort to infighting. Gotcha. That'll teach the Legion.
The problem with the Broken Isles was that we ended up being split up and overwhelmed on disadvantaged ground. What could be salvaged, was, that doesn't mean it should devolve into an us vs all of them scenario. Because that'll put all the nails in the coffin immediately.
It does look like they have a better chance than having the horde double-cross them on top of it.
I mean... whats the use of an ally that doesn't communicate/work together with you? It's a concerted assault not a "eff this i'm outta here".
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Actually... in the last days there was a general that tried to negotiate a peace contrary to Hitler's orders. He was branded a traitor by Hitler, but there were those that tried to lay off arms in germany. But, of course, there would be no end anymore at that point without Hitler's head.
Also, you say they did not agree, but they didn't very much do anything until he tried to kill vol'jin. They were cool with the bombing of theramore and the raiding of Gilneas.
Anyways, i don't see it as a punishment. The horde as an organization not under Thrall has only brought instability to Azeroth. It's not like the alliance is an offensive force seeking to expand into new territory. The horde is always the invading force. If they disbanded we would have peace.
Though i suppose the game isn't about peace. Regardless Genn and Jaina are justified in their stance.
I only think that this isn't the time to fight the horde, but the legion. But the horde is not a potencial ally force. Not trustworthy. I say let the horde be, though keep an eye out for potencial betrayals and keep fighting the legion.
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Cause Jaina has been turned from a good character into an emo bitch. (Also massive hypocrite for getting mad @ our retreat on the Broken Shore when she did the same thing in WC3)
Last edited by Aquinan; 2016-08-16 at 11:46 PM.
I want to pause on this one for a moment. You are entirely right, Genn is really under no legal obligation to do what Anduin wants according to the recent blue posts. "High King" does not demand anything, more of an obligation for the greater good. And there has been a lot of question as to why Anduin is auto appointed to that position. Objectively I would have been tempted to pick Genn or Muradin to that spot, given their experience.
That being said, where is Genn and his people living? Realistically right now he has no kingdom. His ruling land is unoccupied. He is living under the good graces of the Elves and Stormwind. Can we still even call him a king in these circumstances? Maybe if they retake the land one day.
But all I see is a nomadic cursed remnant of a population still alive by the kindness of strangers. He has a lot of balls to use Alliance resources to further personal gain.
I'm not saying that the two factions should be allies, because that's against what the core element of this game is about. What I'm saying is that her rage is going overboard and has no justification for it. Genn I can see, because his main enemy is now Warchief. However, the one who was really behind Jaina's suffering is dead.
Again, Jaina going from friendly to the horde to hostile is fine. I wouldn't fraternize with people who stood by while their leader killed many of my loved ones, but its the fact that her steep downward spiral is still defended by fans. The Dalaran purge, and now leaving the council when the Legion would have the entire planet ravaged. This shit is not okay. She should have gotten some peace when Garrosh was killed, not continue to seek revenge on those who weren't directly behind her suffering.