Gunshots, burned buildings in response to Milwaukee Police Killing

[Docturphil]

I never claimed to withhold support from a particular side in this issue. But that's not the same thing as bias.

However I agree with you. I think the media is largely to blame here. They've created this fabrication of a world where police are hunting and killing black people. Low information people will feel like targets.

I disagree that the media is to blame. I believe the authority/cop hating culture is to blame. While "fuck the police" might be a fun song to play in your car, it's a very poisonous attitude for society to have. And that attitude is nothing new. It's been around for quite a while.

[Themius]

I didn't stay there. I pulled myself out of it. It's your lack of motivation/lack of will to change your situation that keeps you in it.

There is absolutely nothing that's stopping people from pulling themselves out of poverty other than themselves.

http://economy.money.cnn.com/2013/11...-middle-class/

Median family wealth of those who made it to middle class was $94,586, while the median wealth of those stuck at the bottom was just $8,892.
While this might seem obvious -- of course people with a higher income will have more wealth -- the report said the two actually feed each other. The higher a family's wealth, the greater ability they have to invest in things like education or job training, which in turn boosts their income.
"Building savings is a tremendous tool for promoting upward mobility but it is largely ignored by policymakers," said Justin King, policy director of the Asset Building Program at the New America Foundation.
King said that while the government promotes wealth building for some -- largely through the mortgage tax deduction and other tax loopholes used mainly by the middle and upper class -- it actually discourages wealth building for the poor. Many government assistance programs take wealth into account when determining eligibility.

[Nitro Fun]

http://economy.money.cnn.com/2013/11...-middle-class/

This is not relevant to what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about pulling yourself out of poverty, you don't need to be middle class or a high earner to not live in poverty.

[Themius]

This is not relevant to what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about pulling yourself out of poverty, you don't need to be middle class or a high earner to not live in poverty.

My whole point was majority of people who are poor stay poor... black people were intentionally disenfranchise. It'll take a while until black americans are doing better due to history and the fact that the poor tend to stay poor.

[Nitro Fun]

My whole point was majority of people who are poor stay poor... black people were intentionally disenfranchise. It'll take a while until black americans are doing better due to history and the fact that the poor tend to stay poor.

People are living in poverty because they are lacking the motivation/will to pull themselves out of it. There is nothing more to it in western countries.

[Shadowferal]

I didn't stay there. I pulled myself out of it. It's your lack of motivation/lack of will to change your situation that keeps you in it.

There is absolutely nothing that's stopping people from pulling themselves out of poverty other than themselves.

You're an idiot to believe that your personal situation can be the same for everyone....when everyone is in different circumstances. Made worse by the fact that the economy definitely attempts to keep people in the own socio-economic status that they were born in. o wait...you're not based in the US...so maybe it's nicer where you are.

Not that you have any opinion that matters in regards to politics, but both left and right are saying the same thing here; If you're born in poverty, you'll likely stay there.

[Themius]

People are living in poverty because they are lacking the motivation/will to pull themselves out of it. There is nothing more to it in western countries.

You are just like "fuck statistics, fuck all studies!"

[Shadowferal]

People are living in poverty because they are lacking the motivation/will to pull themselves out of it. There is nothing more to it in western countries.

Constantly repeating yourself becomes meaningless...

[Docturphil]

Part of understanding civil disobedience is to understand why dissidents fee the way they do. There's no secret that America has not been kind to the black community throughout its history. Perhaps it reasonable to assume that police behaviour towards a community that has repeatedly had its civil rights abused is still a problem.

Maybe, maybe not. But either way that doesn't justify their actions or change what the consequences of their actions should be. Understanding why someone is acting the way they are may be able to help prevent others from acting in such a way, but we cannot use that understanding to excuse their actions.

[Nitro Fun]

You are just like "fuck statistics, fuck all studies!"

There are no statistics or studies that contradicts what I'm saying.

[Themius]

Maybe, maybe not. But either way that doesn't justify their actions or change what the consequences of their actions should be. Understanding why someone is acting the way they are may be able to help prevent others from acting in such a way, but we cannot use that understanding to excuse their actions.

No one is trying to "justify"anything... giving reasons and explanations for why things are the way they are isn't "justification".

[Nitro Fun]

Constantly repeating yourself becomes meaningless...

Blaming others for your own failure is meaningless.

[IntellectuallyChallenged]

This is not relevant to what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about pulling yourself out of poverty, you don't need to be middle class or a high earner to not live in poverty.

Don't even bother. Some people can't understand then when you started or had nothing, anything is better than that. They can't understand that you don't need to be making 90,000 a year and live in a nice gated priso..., I mean community, to be comfortable. They can't understand things like willpower, determination, and self respect. I, like you, pulled myself out of poverty. Even homelessness. Am I rich? Hell no. Am I comfortable? Most definitely, and that's all that is necessary.

My whole point was majority of people who are poor stay poor... black people were intentionally disenfranchise. It'll take a while until black americans are doing better due to history and the fact that the poor tend to stay poor.

"Because this is how it's always been, and is what I'm stuck with" is a terrible excuse. And that's exactly what it is. An excuse. They all use it because that's what they've been taught. They weren't taught that there are opportunities everywhere. They weren't taught that those do opportunities knock more than once, they do , in fact, knock throughout their lifetime. They aren't taught things like the willpower, determination, and self respect that I mentioned above are essential to breaking stereotypes.

[Themius]

Blaming others for your own failure is meaningless.

Who is "blaming"others?

If I say "the beating of his wife stemmed from his violent past with his abusive father" is that the same as "blaming his father" and putting no blame on the current husband who beat his wife?

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Don't even bother. Some people can't understand then when you started or had nothing, anything is better than that. They can't understand that you don't need to be making 90,000 a year and live in a nice gated priso..., I mean community, to be comfortable. They can't understand things like willpower, determination, and self respect. I, like you, pulled myself out of poverty. Even homelessness. Am I rich? Hell no. Am I comfortable? Most definitely, and that's all that is necessary.

"i pulled myself up the whole world can!" this is literally impossible for one...

[Nitro Fun]

Who is "blaming"others?

If I say "the beating of his wife stemmed from his violent past with his abusive father" is that the same as "blaming his father" and putting no blame on the current husband who beat his wife?

You're constantly diverting to history instead of owing up to the fact that people who are living today are responsible for their own situation. There is nobody holding them down any longer.

[Docturphil]

No one is trying to "justify"anything... giving reasons and explanations for why things are the way they are isn't "justification".

And I'm just trying to make that clear; that understanding the reason behind someone's actions only gives us the power to help prevent such actions in the future and does not change the consequences for that person.

[Shadowferal]

Blaming others for your own failure is meaningless.

No.
Denying your ignorance is stupidity.

You have nothing to go on here...except to continue to reveal what you know nothing about.

And from a political view, you don't even have a vote.

[IntellectuallyChallenged]

"i pulled myself up the whole world can!" this is literally impossible for one...

No, it isn't. It's just yet another lame ass excuse. I didn't even say "I did it, so everyone can". Those are your words.

[Themius]

You're constantly diverting to history instead of owing up to the fact that people who are living today are responsible for their own situation. There is nobody holding them down any longer.

Constantly diverting to history? It's called fucking context, it's what smart people do, they provide context for situations and background so you can better understand why somethign is the way it is.

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No, it isn't. It's just yet another lame ass excuse. I didn't even say "I did it, so everyone can". Those are your words.

Until we live in a socialist world THE ENTIRE WORLD PULLING THEMSELVES UP TO RESPECTABLE LEVELS IS IMPOSSIBLE.

[Dextroden]

My whole point was majority of people who are poor stay poor... black people were intentionally disenfranchise. It'll take a while until black americans are doing better due to history and the fact that the poor tend to stay poor.

What's your excuse for nonblack poors staying poor? Disenfranchisement sounds like a great excuse until you realize there are poor in every color. Even white, the people you paint as superior first being white.