"Mog Shaming"

[Snackpack]

You seem to have some kind of deep, underlying, personal issue going on here.

Oh, the irony here. At least now you've learned you're pretty much alone in your line of thinking, so you can move on.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

Oh, the irony here. At least now you've learned you're pretty much alone in your line of thinking, so you can move on.

I actually learned that I'm clearly not(thank you to those with the balls to speak your mind despite the prevailing nastiness) and that a bunch of white-knighting, vicious forum-dwellers cannot possibly be good stimulation for casual conversation.

Better to keep my opinions to myself unless I simply want to troll and see how badly you guys can tie yourselves up within your own hateful logic.

[Dispraise]

And how so?

You made a post about berating others for their choices and actions, when it's not any of your business and has no direct effect upon you. As a direct result, you're being berated for your choices and actions, on a forum where you posted to ask for the opinions of others.

You get what you pay for, friend.

[undeadmoon]

I have several characters in "slut mogs", for several reasons, the largest being it fits an idea in my head about that particular character.

For example, my Blood DK is in a very skimpy outfit because of an idea I had, that maybe becoming a DK fucked her head up quite a bit; she likes showing off her unnatural unliving skin to her enemies, in her mind she's almost seeing herself as death, unliving almost inevitable force coming for her enemies, and they have to confront it in every way, there's also the feeling that she actually kind likes the pain they're inflicting on her, it's one of the few things she can still feel in her current state, so all the free skin allows more places to feel pain. It's also a great a intimidation tactic, are you going to attack the one running around covered in little else but the blood of their enemies and themselves, looking like they're enjoying the pain they're both receiving and dishing out? Probably not, probably you'd be more than a little intimidated by that sight. Hell, it's why it's assumed many Hun berserkers were damn near naked back in the day, the intimidation factor...Well that and they were high off their asses, but that's another subject.


Another reason I do it is because it's really kind of an idiot filter if you'd like to call it that, you have no idea the amount of times I get into a group in her getup, and someone says to kick me or says something like "Eww a whore set! Tank is bad!!!" and then leaves of their own will or because the group won't kick me, without seeing me even pull one mob. We usually then go on to have a fast and quiet experience, with less whining and less asshattery.

It also filters out "overconcerned" guildies and whole guilds, if they care more about my Tmog then my in game ability and my personality, then fuck 'em, it's not a guild I need to be a part of. It also shows who in the guild is uh, "looking for love" and should be avoided as well.

In all honesty, I don't really care if others like my Tmogs, and when someone does make a negative comment to me about any of them, slutty ones or not, I usually say, "That's nice, honey." if I say anything at all. Some random person's opinions are have about the same value to me as an empty gum wrapper.

As for the kind of people who post slut tmogs or really badly mish-mashed tmogs on facebook or elsewhere for attention, eh, they're low hanging fruit, like 95% of the posts on social media are. I see no reason to even bother replying to them because in the end, you're giving them what they want: attention.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

You made a post about berating others for their choices and actions, when it's not any of your business and has no direct effect upon you. As a direct result, you're being berated for your choices and actions, on a forum where you posted to ask for the opinions of others.

You get what you pay for, friend.

I told her I didn't like the transmog for X and Y reasons. That was it. In a reply to a statement of her's no less. Wasn't like I slapped it on the front of her page or even the front of her comments section. I wasn't looking to drag her down or make her feel like shit but just like the guy who was lauding it, I felt a need to be something of a counter balance. Big deal. I told you very early on you read far too much into the "shaming" bit. I was actually being a bit hyperbolic when I used that term.

People aren't arguing against my position. They're arguing against me as an individual and making it extremely personal in the process of.

So maybe, yeah, I'm getting what I paid for because I expressed an opinion(big mistake) others did not agree with on this forum and they, in the process, extracted every possible ill-notion of my being out of it before hammering down upon me with post after post of why I am just so awful. Again, I'm shocked I haven't been told to go kill myself, at least you guys managed to reserve some of the unnecessary hate.

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I have several characters in "slut mogs", for several reasons, the largest being it fits an idea in my head about that particular character.

For example, my Blood DK is in a very skimpy outfit because of an idea I had, that maybe becoming a DK fucked her head up quite a bit; she likes showing off her unnatural unliving skin to her enemies, in her mind she's almost seeing herself as death, unliving almost inevitable force coming for her enemies, and they have to confront it in every way, there's also the feeling that she actually kind likes the pain they're inflicting on her, it's one of the few things she can still feel in her current state, so all the free skin allows more places to feel pain. It's also a great a intimidation tactic, are you going to attack the one running around covered in little else but the blood of their enemies and themselves, looking like they're enjoying the pain they're both receiving and dishing out? Probably not, probably you'd be more than a little intimidated by that sight. Hell, it's why it's assumed many Hun berserkers were damn near naked back in the day, the intimidation factor...Well that and they were high off their asses, but that's another subject.


Another reason I do it is because it's really kind of an idiot filter if you'd like to call it that, you have no idea the amount of times I get into a group in her getup, and someone says to kick me or says something like "Eww a whore set! Tank is bad!!!" and then leaves of their own will or because the group won't kick me, without seeing me even pull one mob. We usually then go on to have a fast and quiet experience, with less whining and less asshattery.

It also filters out "overconcerned" guildies and whole guilds, if they care more about my Tmog then my in game ability and my personality, then fuck 'em, it's not a guild I need to be a part of. It also shows who in the guild is uh, "looking for love" and should be avoided as well.

In all honesty, I don't really care if others like my Tmogs, and when someone does make a negative comment to me about any of them, slutty ones or not, I usually say, "That's nice, honey." if I say anything at all. Some random person's opinions are have about the same value to me as an empty gum wrapper.

As for the kind of people who post slut tmogs or really badly mish-mashed tmogs on facebook or elsewhere for attention, eh, they're low hanging fruit, like 95% of the posts on social media are. I see no reason to even bother replying to them because in the end, you're giving them what they want: attention.

Holy shit, a fair response against me. Where the fuck have these been hiding? There was nothing wrong with this post.

Thank you, like legitimately, fucking thank you.

[Snackpack]

I actually learned that I'm clearly not(thank you to those with the balls to speak your mind despite the prevailing nastiness) and that a bunch of white-knighting, vicious forum-dwellers cannot possibly be good stimulation for casual conversation.

Better to keep my opinions to myself unless I simply want to troll and see how badly you guys can tie yourselves up within your own hateful logic.

There's a difference in having opinions, like some other people in this thread i.e. "i hate slut mogging..." and attacking people (not their characters) calling them tacky, distasteful, immodest, not allowed to slutmog if you're a mother (lol?)... Trying to find a correlation between how people dress in game and how they are in real life is not going to happen, especially when plenty of them are men.

[Hexxidecimal]

So I did it. I finally shamed people over their transmogs, I couldn't help it, got under my skin in a way that made me crawl.

I'm part of many WoW community pages on Facebook and I often see female administrators post images, purposefully or inadvertently with their character front-row-and-center; meanwhile, sitting on the login screen for said character and therefore no missing what they're wearing or look like... even if the post has nothing to do with their character in the first place.

Almost every time(if not just that thus far) their character is wearing the skimpiest, most gaudy little outfit humanly possible and then trying to up the "cute" factor by throwing a witch's hat atop the bizarre ensemble. Then when you go into the comments section, all you read is, "Oh excellent mog!" and other variants in terms of compliments.

Why?

These are some of the easiest mogs to throw on, common as all hell, they require virtually no forethought nor consideration, and they're clearly designed simply to draw attention towards the character's sexuality and therefore the player. Why is being tacky a celebrated thing? It's not only tacky but it doesn't even look good unless you're that big on pixellated in-game pornography.

I'm a male with several female characters and each one of them have virtually no skin showing. I went out of my way to find interesting transmogs for each that complimented their class/lore as much as humanly possible. From my Hunter to my Demon Hunter. Not only for the sake of adding a level of immersion to my gaming but also because women, even pixel ones, don't always need to be some thong-wearing buxom goddess to be helluva cool. That simply comes across as demeaning to me no matter how hard I try to look around it.

Who else feels similarly?

Am I alone here in my desire for some sense of not only modesty but perhaps more importantly, TASTE?

Meh I have no issue with your sentiment. It's when you feel like you need to start telling other people how you want their characters to look that it crosses the line in my eyes. It's all subjective. I mean all of it. Everything from what you think looks, tactful appropriate or classy to whether or not you feel you should say something. None of my Toons are "slutty" with the exception of my havoc set DH maybe. I just love the color and look of the starter set for DHs. Mostly because I have all the cool tatoos I want to see. Anyway, that being said I have no issue with other wanting to look how they want to look. I may not like what they are doing, and often don't but whateves. Mog and let Mog

[Queen of Hamsters]

Before mogs people used the top tear because they were designed to be the best, not anymore, just make up any shit and call it tier x

... You are aware of the fact that stats still matter, right?
Before mogs, people looked like clowns unless they had full pvp/tier sets. Having the latest, highest tier of gear still matters where it always did.

[Dispraise]

I told her I didn't like the transmog for X and Y reasons.

You shamed her. In your own words. Don't try and sell me on why you don't think you're acting like a douche, or deserve to be called out on it. Personally, I really don't care.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

There's a difference in having opinions, like some other people in this thread i.e. "i hate slut mogging..." and attacking people (not their characters) calling them tacky, distasteful, immodest, not allowed to slutmog if you're a mother (lol?)... Trying to find a correlation between how people dress in game and how they are in real life is not going to happen, especially when plenty of them are men.

I do find the transmog distasteful, tacky, immodest, etc. I find it even more bizarre when a mother does this and then continuously posts it up for hits. Then you've got the guys drooling over absolutely nothing, panties and bra, and I want to say something that for once isn't, "OH GIRL YOU SO HOT THAT MOG AMAZING OMFG!" Maybe anchor her back into reality and give some notion that not all of us think she has to be wearing so little to impress us. IN A GODDAMN GAME NO LESS. It gets old after a while.

I don't like the transmogs as a general rule and that's why I expanded it to a conversation about them as a whole to see how others felt concerning them. It doesn't matter if it's young boys doing it or MILFs. My post was merely the starting point of the discussion, not the absolute be all. Just like Undead made it about his/herself that was perfectly legitimate and that's what I was hoping to see more of.

Instead I get this shit.

[Halyon]

some, and its mostly just bras, and even then they arnt as revealing as the old sets that barly cover the nipples...

And from what I've seen it's mostly catering to the demon hunters...personally I will try staying barechested on my male demon hunter...because I dig them tats. /cough

Either way, I don't care about a slutmog unless it just looks plain bad. I've seen like...2? Skimpy mogs that were somewhat decent, at least colormatching...so there's a miniscule, fragile spark of hope?

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

You shamed her. In your own words. Don't try and sell me on why you don't think you're acting like a douche, or deserve to be called out on it. Personally, I really don't care.

So do you think disagreeing with a look and explaining why you don't like it is shaming? Because then you're probably plenty guilty of this kind of behavior yourself.

[Rotted]

What a crock of shit,

You know what, most of the skimpy stuff I personally wouldn't use on my chars, but I wouldn't go out of my way to shame or insult someone, then give the reason for doing it as because they don't have taste. Everyone's taste is different .

[Hexxidecimal]

Because that's the topic here. A male administrator didn't push me into this position. It was female administrators, the ones who flaunt their transmogs as such. So am I supposed to be purposefully abstract just to protect your own delicate sensibilities towards your own gender? Fuck me, then you talk about ME and infantillisation? I only lump males in because I'm sure there are transmogs out there for male characters that I find grotesque but I had yet encountered them.

...You know, until I made this thread. Now I've seen a couple. Thank you MMO-C!

I think the point he was trying to make, and I am jumping in the middle here so correct me if I seem out of place, is that the sex of the offender doesn't matter one iota. You don't have to be vague in order to spare someones feelings, rather whether they are male or female doesn't lend credence or importance to the point at hand. Rather it does the opposite. Honestly, if you wrote your entire OP again without mentioning the OP's sex would it have changed your point? Nope. But as you do mention it, you seem to make a specific point of it. If you didn't mean to, when you highlight someones sex specifically in regards to a point your making it can be, in least in this case, be construed as sexist. The point really you make has nothing to do with sex, then mentioning it only distorts your actual argument.

Or you could just point out that what you mean to say is that the creating slutty Mogs that aren't tactful or classy isn't a issue that nerdy basement dwelling men have a monopoly on and that the issue you speak of transcends gender. Which was my take away.

[Purpleisbetter]

My females blood elves feature more armor then a f*ing Armada battle tank. My b*es are a hymn to metal plating.

[Dispraise]

So do you think disagreeing with a look and explaining why you don't like it is shaming?

Again, I don't care. I don't value your opinion enough to form an opinion of my own on it. You chose to describe what you did as shaming, and then seemed perplexed at the reaction you received when you asked others for their opinion.

It's just not all that shocking, all I'm sayin'.

[Deleted]

Some of my characters are dressed skimply, some aren't. It depends on their class but most of all, it should be at least a little unique. Which means no easy bikini plate sets, but also usually no full tier sets either (looking at you here Bloodfang Rogues and Judgement Paladins).

I'm not obsessed with being fully covered or wearing as little as possible, and I generally really, really don't care what other people think about my outfit.

OP seems to be genuinely frustrated that these women are getting attention. Why ? I dunno. Why he goes to their pages and reads the comments ? I dunno.

He also seems really confused that people react negatively to him righteously coming in and "anchoring them back into reality". This is obnoxious behaviour OP - it's no different to judging people in RL for the way they dress, except it's even -more- meaningless.

You're absolutely welcome to not like certain transmogs and I also tend to roll my eyes at sets who try to force as much skimpiness as possible while ending up looking pretty stupid. But it's not because they're skimpy, it's cos they're stupid looking.

I keep it to myself though, since I'm not one of the kind that gets off on putting other people down.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

Again, I don't care. I don't value your opinion enough to form an opinion of my own on it. You chose to describe what you did as shaming, and then seemed perplexed at the reaction you received when you asked others for their opinion.

It's just not all that shocking, all I'm sayin'.

I also put it into quotations. Is nobody noticing this? It wasn't meant to be literal.

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Some of my characters are dressed skimply, some aren't. It depends on their class but most of all, it should be at least a little unique. Which means no easy bikini plate sets, but also usually no full tier sets either (looking at you here Bloodfang Rogues and Judgement Paladins).

I'm not obsessed with being fully covered or wearing as little as possible, and I generally really, really don't care what other people think about my outfit.

OP seems to be genuinely frustrated that these women are getting attention. Why ? I dunno. Why he goes to their pages and reads the comments ? I dunno.

He also seems really confused that people react negatively to him righteously coming in and "anchoring them back into reality". This is obnoxious behaviour OP - it's no different to judging people in RL for the way they dress, except it's even -more- meaningless.

You're absolutely welcome to not like certain transmogs and I also tend to roll my eyes at sets who try to force as much skimpiness as possible while ending up looking pretty stupid. But it's not because they're skimpy, it's cos they're stupid looking.

I keep it to myself though, since I'm not one of the kind that gets off on putting other people down.

Now you're just mixing up my words.

[The One Percent]

Why do you care so much about what someone else wears?

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

Why do you care so much about what someone else wears?

I don't. It doesn't take any effort to write up a post or a remark. Not sure why you people think I'm really going out of my way for this.