Celtic fans seen waving pro-Palestinian flags before Champions League play-off

[Rend Blackhand]

Glasgow rangers aka the other team in Glasgow often do fly Israeli flags as does the edl and Britain first. There is a tradition of Israeli funding for nationalist right wing groups.

I've been to Ibrox many times and seen many flags; the Union flag, the saltire (rarely seen at Celtic Park), the Dutch and even an American flag at one point but I've never seen an Israeli flag.

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I've been to Ibrox many times and seen many flags; the Union flag, the saltire (rarely seen at Celtic Park), the Dutch and even an American flag at one point but I've never seen an Israeli flag.

[Rend Blackhand]

Well there you go, an Israeli flag and a defaced saltire.

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They have been supporting Catholic Ireland since forever.
Their song goes "up the ra" at some stage even.

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Erm.... what's msm?

msm stands for main stream media i think!

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Well there you go, an Israeli flag and a defaced saltire.

Better?

[Rend Blackhand]

Better?

Slightly, that fluorescent yellow and black scarf reminds me of that horrible manky Celtic top from years ago

[JohnBrown1917]

Considering it's Champions League that'll probably be the least racist thing happening at the match

How is it racist?

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So FC Barcelona fans are not allowed to fly the catalonian independence flag for political reasons but this is allowed?

Its not, the club was fined for it.

[Dhrizzle]

It's an Irish immigrant team. Historically.

Like the Boston Celtics.



Just because something isn't in Ireland, it doesn't mean it can't have Irish cultural ties.

I didn't realise that, it surprised me that an Irish-based team would identify themselves as "Celtic" in another Celtic country.

"Celtic" is a reference to the pre-Roman culture (the Keltois or Celts) of the large majority of Europe, from the Iberian Peninsula to the Minor Asia. Just one example, the Calli or the Gauls.

In modern times the Celtic nations are countries of provinces that have a Celtic language used in the modern times, namely Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Cornwall (an English county,) the Isle of Man (a British Crown Dependency) and Brittany (a French region.)

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Slightly, that fluorescent yellow and black scarf reminds me of that horrible manky Celtic top from years ago

Yeah it was rank, although not as bad as the cursed strip or their new third strip (which they'll hopefully never have to use).

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This is the club that sings songs and chants supporting the IRA from the terraces every Saturday. They have a long tradition of supporting terrorism but the police in Scotland are entirely impotent to do anything about it.

The IRA were not terrorists. The provos, on the other hand...

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In modern times the Celtic nations are countries of provinces that have a Celtic language used in the modern times, namely Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Cornwall (an English county,) the Isle of Man (a British Crown Dependency) and Brittany (a French region.)

Those are the remnants of the Celtic civilization, yes, but not all the remnants of the identity.

An example: Celta de Vigo (Spanish Galician football club).

[tehealadin]

The IRA were not terrorists. The provos, on the other hand...

Well, they were. They blew up children. They didn't begin as such, but maniacs and gangsters turned them into terrorists.

Also, yea, Celtic may be Scottish, but you will see more tricolours than saltires being flown, it has a strong Irish identity and affinity.

I remember an old firm game where Celtic fans had Palestinian flags and Rangers had Israeli flags.

Also, Celtic are shit, mon the Gers.

[Kalis]

When I was young and had no sense, I bought a flute for 50 pence, the only tune that I could play, was fuck the Pope and the IRA.


Rangers and Arsenal traditionally had a strong bond for over a century, Rangers even saved the club from extinction, so it is inbuilt in me to hate whatever Celtic do.

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I've been to Ibrox many times and seen many flags; the Union flag, the saltire (rarely seen at Celtic Park), the Dutch and even an American flag at one point but I've never seen an Israeli flag.

Talking out your ass.

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Well there you go, an Israeli flag and a defaced saltire.

It's not defaced, it's an upgrade.

[Kalis]

Well, they were. They blew up children. They didn't begin as such, but maniacs and gangsters turned them into terrorists.

It is a semantics argument, the original IRA were the ones who fought for independence, the Provisional IRA are the terrorist organisation - however they are commonly referred to as just the IRA, so it is not a very convincing semantic argument.

[Holas]

If in these matches its allowed to use politics and use flags then who gives a shit -let them use whatever flag they want. If its not allowed then they should be punished/finned like any other team that would do it. Why is this news worthy again?

If this thread meant to show the solidarity of Scottland with palestinians then I think its well known already. Together with Sweden, Ireland and Belgium from Europe. Israel already not taking these countries seriously. Last time Sweden minister wanted to make a formal visit to Israel, but was told here that she can take a plane and come but no one will meet her in a formal way like she wanted. I can only hope that when bombing start there and they will ask for Israel anti-terror advise we tell them to fuck off. Who am I kidding though - Belgium's anti-terror group already practicing in Israel. I wish these countries could boycott Israel fully and not pussy out.

[ParanoiD84]

If in these matches its allowed to use politics and use flags then who gives a shit -let them use whatever flag they want. If its not allowed then they should be punished/finned like any other team that would do it. Why is this news worthy again?

If this thread meant to show the solidarity of Scottland with palestinians then I think its well known already. Together with Sweden, Ireland and Belgium from Europe. Israel already not taking these countries seriously. Last time Sweden minister wanted to make a formal visit to Israel, but was told here that she can take a plane and come but no one will meet her in a formal way like she wanted. I can only hope that when bombing start there and they will ask for Israel anti-terror advise we tell them to fuck off. Who am I kidding though - Belgium's anti-terror group already practicing in Israel. I wish these countries could boycott Israel fully and not pussy out.

I remember that, no wonder since sweden or well the politicians desided to recognise palestine, dont think israel are to happy about that.

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It is a semantics argument, the original IRA were the ones who fought for independence, the Provisional IRA are the terrorist organisation - however they are commonly referred to as just the IRA, so it is not a very convincing semantic argument.

Semantics and shades of meaning can be vitally important. I don't watch football or support any club, so I had to google for examples of "IRA chants" at Glasgow Celtic matches, and the majority of the songs I found listed clearly referenced the original IRA, not the terrorists (some did, fair enough). I live south of the border, but my mother is from NI, from a nationalist background, and we had members of our family in the both judiciary and the police force, back when both were treated with hostility by the majority of nationalists. I had an uncle (a fireman) who was beaten unconscious by terrorist thugs while dealing with the firebombing of a protestant family's home.
I also know of protestant business men who were threatened with firebombing of their business premises by Orange Order members if they did not turn out and participate in the disgusting displays of bigotry at Drumcree.

There are bad actors on all sides of any conflict, and the vast majority of people just want to get on with their lives. Semantics are extremely important when you support one side of an argument and have to put up with dickheads taking the same side.

[Kalis]

Semantics and shades of meaning can be vitally important. I don't watch football or support any club, so I had to google for examples of "IRA chants" at Glasgow Celtic matches, and the majority of the songs I found listed clearly referenced the original IRA, not the terrorists (some did, fair enough). I live south of the border, but my mother is from NI, from a nationalist background, and we had members of our family in the both judiciary and the police force, back when both were treated with hostility by the majority of nationalists. I had an uncle (a fireman) who was beaten unconscious by terrorist thugs while dealing with the firebombing of a protestant family's home.
I also know of protestant business men who were threatened with firebombing of their business premises by Orange Order members if they did not turn out and participate in the disgusting displays of bigotry at Drumcree.

There are bad actors on all sides of any conflict, and the vast majority of people just want to get on with their lives. Semantics are extremely important when you support one side of an argument and have to put up with dickheads taking the same side.

I would expect most of the Rangers chants to refer to the Provisional IRA, not the original IRA, e.g. singing about Bobby Sands. The term IRA is almost exclusively used to refer to the Provisionals in Britain.

Rangers and Celtic fans have a thing for sectarian issues that the rest of Britain stop really caring about centuries ago. Ditto for Norn Iron.

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So FC Barcelona fans are not allowed to fly the catalonian independence flag for political reasons but this is allowed?

Its not allowed, UEFA is investigating it as UEFA forbids any political or religious stuff on their games.

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Glasgow rangers aka the other team in Glasgow often do fly Israeli flags as does the edl and Britain first. There is a tradition of Israeli funding for nationalist right wing groups.

Same with antisemmitic left wing group often flags the palestinian flag while yelling death to israel.