Legion: Elemental Specific

[Espeonagetieler]

so ele is good on the pre patch but goes to shit once everyone gets artifacts maxed or something?

[Menubrea]

so ele is good on the pre patch but goes to shit once everyone gets artifacts maxed or something?

Elemental is good on pre-patch because everything dies within Ele's burst window, which is exactly what the spec is good at.

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Elemental is good on pre-patch because everything dies within Ele's burst window, which is exactly what the spec is good at.

And this wont change with legion, besides that then nothing dies within any cd, so youre useless after 20 secs.

[Antilurker77]

And this wont change with legion, besides that then nothing dies within any cd, so youre useless after 20 secs.

Icefury / Lightning Rod builds are competitive which does good sustained damage.

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Icefury / Lightning Rod builds are competitive which does good sustained damage.

You call a 30 sec cd and a totally rng clusterfuck talent as "competitive" and "good sustained damage", while a mage/hunter literally pushes 2 buttons and do the same 10 times better without any effort/rng/whenever whereever he wants?

Ok.

[Antilurker77]

You call a 30 sec cd and a totally rng clusterfuck talent as "competitive" and "good sustained damage", while a mage/hunter literally pushes 2 buttons and do the same 10 times better without any effort/rng/whenever whereever he wants?

Ok.

You should try looking at sims instead of raging at people over the internet. You'd be more productive that way.

[Gaucho-]

Icefury / Lightning Rod builds are competitive which does good sustained damage.

Can you provide actually sims for this statement? Since those two talents are not only used for very different encounter types (one is ST burst / movement, the other ST / cleave sustained damage), but also favour different spell schools to be cast to maximise their effects.

[Deleted]

You should try looking at sims instead of raging at people over the internet. You'd be more productive that way.

You should try looking at ele shamans balance history since tbc, instead of playing Mr. Robots Slotmachine.

[Antilurker77]

Can you provide actually sims for this statement? Since those two talents are not only used for very different encounter types (one is ST burst / movement, the other ST / cleave sustained damage), but also favour different spell schools to be cast to maximise their effects.

http://stormearthandlava.com/home.html

They're within 1% of each other. Close enough that between fight length / relics / trinkets / general RNG can favor one build over another.

[Gaucho-]

http://stormearthandlava.com/home.html

They're within 1% of each other. Close enough that between fight length / relics / trinkets / general RNG can favor one build over another.

As stated on that website, all results which were generated are based on raw (basically random) set of stats. Sims with gear are coming in the future, and the site will be updated through out the expansion.

[Antilurker77]

As stated on that website, all results which were generated are based on raw (basically random) set of stats. Sims with gear are coming in the future, and the site will be updated through out the expansion.

The stats are not random, but they aren't optimized on a per-spec basis either. Either way, it's a good baseline and shows how close different talents are from each other.

[Gaucho-]

The stats are not random, but they aren't optimized on a per-spec basis either. Either way, it's a good baseline and shows how close different talents are from each other.

They are random (very raw) according to the author of that website on Earthshrine. It just shows nothing as of yet, since we dont have stat weights to determine optimal gear sets or talents. Not to mention that you devalue Earthen Attunement artifact trait if you delay Earth Shock because of the conflict between Icefury stacks, Stormkeeper stacks, Lava Surge procs and spending Maelstrom.

[Antilurker77]

They are random (very raw) according to the author of that website on Earthshrine. It just shows nothing as of yet, since we dont have stat weights to determine optimal gear sets or talents. Not to mention that you devalue Earthen Attunement artifact trait if you delay Earth Shock because of the conflict between Icefury stacks, Stormkeeper stacks, Lava Surge procs and spending Maelstrom.

I have no idea why your associating "very raw" with random. Those stats were hand picked based on how much stats an actual 840 set should provide, an actually isn't that far of from what the actual BiS is looking like. And moving a couple hundred secondary points isn't going to make one build shoot up 5% higher than the other builds either.

[Krazzorx]

Can you clarify this statement, if we have the best burst spec which relies on 3 min cd, is it only useful for a burn phase but wouldn't classes with executes perform better?

Not a ton of classes with executed anymore. Warrior, mm Hunter and spriest are it I think.

[Putin-Chan]

Because they are leading the pack of ranged DPS at this moment. World first guilds will probably stack mages.

I think it's silly too though. Compared to all ranged average, elemental will be fine.

Elemental will probably have one of the best if not THE best burst of all specs come raiding too. Ascendance plus improved FE and raiding trinkets = sick.

I'd like to see the kind of numbers people will pull in mythic nighthold when crit stacking.

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Meanwhile on the class forums all the other classes are saying the same stuff except they are substituting 'elemental' for their class.

Maybe it isn't as bad as the song and dance says it is.

The grass is always greener, until you realize that all the other grass is dead, and so is your grass.

Except mage grass, that's always emerald green.

[Menubrea]

i never understood this mentality the other class is better mimimi i reroll now to it only because its better, play what you want thats it if your guild say you need to reroll because your spec is not good like "mages" or you will be benched then go and search a other guild if you cant do or play what you want it makes no sense. Dont forget only top 100 Guild are going min max bla others dont need it like some wise men told us play what you can best then you are better then any mage, bring the player not the class. There is rarely same skill players in the guild so a good ele can outdps a medioce mage the funny part of this is that it doesnt matter who is first on boss play the boss correctly do right dmg on the right targets and its win boss dead GG well played.

Mage isn't that much stronger because it does more damage, it's better because it provides better utility, mobility and survivability than what any other ranged spec does. The problem isn't even that Elemental Shamans are necessarily weak, it's more an issue of Mages - once again - being too strong.

Obviously for most guilds you can get by without min-maxing, but it is a little bit infuriating when some specs over and over again gets neglected in favour of X class' 5th rework, or overloaded toolkits when you're competing for the same ~7 raid spots.

[miffy23]

The community doesn't do a great job when something is 1% better and they claim it is the only viable option and everything else is garbage.

I rather liked this Ion answer. He's said it before, and many others have too.

[Menubrea]

I rather liked this Ion answer. He's said it before, and many others have too.

If we are to go by WoD though, there weren't 1 % different between specs performance, it was more like 30 % between top and bottom. People aren't up in arms about 1 %, and never were. It's just a poor attempt to downplaying legitimate criticism.

[miffy23]

If we are to go by WoD though, there weren't 1 % different between specs performance, it was more like 30 % between top and bottom. People aren't up in arms about 1 %, and never were. It's just a poor attempt to downplaying legitimate criticism.

I think it's a very valid perspective of how the community somehow turns some specs into pariah, simply because they aren't optimal at a certain raiding level, when nontheless that content is cleared with those specs.

He also clearly stated in other answers that having discrepancies of over 10% is their failure, so he didn't downplay that at all.

[Menubrea]

I think it's a very valid perspective of how the community somehow turns some specs into pariah, simply because they aren't optimal at a certain raiding level, when nontheless that content is cleared with those specs.

He also clearly stated in other answers that having discrepancies of over 10% is their failure, so he didn't downplay that at all.

No spec performing at 1 % lower is going to be viewed as pariah, that's hyperbole. Specs only get that status if the numbers are either overall too low, or their mechanics unpractical for the content at hand.