Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Felya]

I do not think he will change or should. But he does need to stay on the important issues and also show the public he can make mistakes and is willing to admit it. He needs to present to the public he is capable of making important changes and can look after them effectively. One they can trust. By going off into attacks on people he should not have, is only giving ammo to his rivals and can present to the public he is incapable of staying focused when he is president. It is not the die hard Hillary supporters or Never Trump ones he needs to impress.

Yes, but you support him while you admit he needs to do the above. In fact, the above is a list of reasons why there is a never Trump cause. He doesn't need to impress people who will vote for him, while knowing he is the inferior candidate, either. He does not need to sway the "anyone, but Hillary" crowd, they are not asking for better. He has you in the bag, for the same reason I will never vote for him... The differance being, you will never find me saying Hillary needs to start lying more or for the media to stop scrutinizing her.

I don't think he can say anything to sway you... Remember when you said I was flaming you, when I simply repeated that your defense of him was missing the obvious, because that's exactly what he said to those who actually took his word as he said it. That's the differance between never Trump and his remaining support. One considers the History of both candidates, while the other only focuses on one. It's why unlike every other election, the argument of 'they are all the same' doesn't work, even according to Trump. In an actual comparison, something that wouldn't be true for a lot of the GOP candidates during primaries or majority of candidates in history, Hillary is a far better candidate than Trump. So is every candidate in the history of the country.

You got your 'anyone', too bad you didn't ask for 'better, than'.

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Are Unions taxed? Oh wait, they are a not for profit group.

What part of the Union should be taxed? Their dues or pension payouts?

[alexw]

That's because Trump is still campaigning to his base -- which he has locked up.

The problem is that there isn't enough of his base to win the election, hence this ripple of blue coming across states that people thought would be solidly red.

Trump has alienated every single demographic other than straight white men -- and is even looking at potentially losing educated white men.

Unless Trump figures out a way to turn those demographics around he will lose. Period end of story.

And -- frankly -- if you are banking on an october surprise so your candidate could win you should probably really question how good of a candidate you have.

Its already too late. He has baked in peoples perceptions of him. Even if he somehow changed how he acts (though he's never show the remotest ability to do that), most would simply believe it to be an act to get elected, and that the real Donald Trump would come back out once he's in the oval office. On that basis the only way he could win is if something happened that utterly tanked Clinton, in other words a really REALLY bad October surprise, since given Trump's extreme negative ratings on multiple points a moderate one would not do it. It's why pollsters are giving him only a 10-15% chance of winning.

[Ghostpanther]

Yes, but you support him while you admit he needs to do the above. In fact, the above is a list of reasons why there is a never Trump cause. He doesn't need to impress people who will vote for him, while knowing he is the inferior candidate, either. He does not need to sway the "anyone, but Hillary" crowd, they are not asking for better. He has you in the bag, for the same reason I will never vote for him... The differance being, you will never find me saying Hillary needs to start lying more or for the media to stop scrutinizing her.

I don't think he can say anything to sway you... Remember when you said I was flaming you, when I simply repeated that your defense of him was missing the obvious, because that's exactly what he said to those who actually took his word as he said it. That's the differance between never Trump and his remaining support. One considers the History of both candidates, while the other only focuses on one. It's why unlike every other election, the argument of 'they are all the same' doesn't work, even according to Trump. In an actual comparison, something that wouldn't be true for a lot of the GOP candidates during primaries or majority of candidates in history, Hillary is a far better candidate than Trump. So is every candidate in the history of the country.

You got your 'anyone', too bad you didn't ask for 'better, than'.

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What part of the Union should be taxed? Their dues or pension payouts?

I will vote for him because his stances is ones I support. I do not agree with all he has said. But his stance on foreign policy, healthcare, economic , gun rights , immigration and fighting terrorism are ones I strongly support. None of these does Hillary have a stance which I do support.

And I am not saying Unions should be taxed or what part. I am saying we should be fair about taxes in reference to not for profit organizations across the board. Of course their salaries of the workers in them should be taxed. Same for church workers who make a profit.

[Zolaris192]

This is almost as good of an intellectual discussion as you telling me my states polls are all based on Atlanta instead of all the counties which totally explains how every poll in history showed the state going republican. But yeah, they only poll atlanta which has a democrat population even though up til now the polls always stated Republicans would win the state hands down.

Logic, who needs it when you have a political opinion reinforced by political talk shows which you agree with because they agree with your opinion.

When trump smashes that devil worshipper in November I'll send you a pm to laugh at you

[Ghostpanther]

When trump smashes that devil worshipper in November I'll send you a pm to laugh at you

Careful. The ones you laugh at, could get the last laugh.

[Pangean]

When trump smashes that devil worshipper in November I'll send you a pm to laugh at you

Devil worshiper? LOL when clowns like you demonize you really do mean demons.

[DeadmanWalking]

And here is Trumps new breitbart pivot, brown people are coming to kill us and take our stuff. Oh and Paul Manafort just resigned. One more rat leaving the sinking ship.

Manafort was already sidelined, Feds jusy found out he broke federal campaign laws by not filling out paperwork signifying himself as a foreign campaign agent and that was what got him fired. I mean, "Resigned".

Absolutely terrifying that someone who has been trying to get the government to go pro-russia was the right hand man of Trump and Trump recently started sitting on Putins lap while talking about how it would be great if we were allies.

It's not that we don't want to be allies, we just won't give Russia everything it wants to be allies.

[Pangean]

Manafort was already sidelined, Feds jusy found out he broke federal campaign laws by not filling out paperwork signifying himself as a foreign campaign agent and that was what got him fired. I mean, "Resigned".

Lots of noise that this is the real reason he was pushed out of the Trump campaign.

[Pangean]

Of the two, Trump is closest to being a LaVey Satanist anyway. They worship and exalt the ego/I/Id.

No doubt. However it's pretty clear what Trump really worships. Himself.

[DeadmanWalking]

Lots of noise that this is the real reason he was pushed out of the Trump campaign.

In my days of working in warehouses we called it, "He got quit."

[mvaliz]

No doubt. However it's pretty clear what Trump really worships. Himself.

Which, if one actually studies Christianity, would point out the "Golden Calf" aspect of him :P

[Ghostpanther]

Of the two, Trump is closest to being a LaVey Satanist anyway. They worship and exalt the ego/I/Id.

Then tons of what some would consider normal are.

That is one of the things Trump said I disagree with. That Hillary is the devil. Silly statement for sure. If he knew what the bible says, he would know any government figure or calamity for that matter, only exists because God ordains them to be. Can not discuss it any further, because of forum restrictions. But it is in there and some food for thought.

[mvaliz]

When trump smashes that devil worshipper in November I'll send you a pm to laugh at you

I belive what little credit you had got flushed downtbe toilet by beliving she's a "Devil Worshiper", while you go and stroke the horns of the Golden Calf that is Donald Dump.

[Ghostpanther]

In my days of working in warehouses we called it, "He got quit."

Lol! Good one.

[DeadmanWalking]

I belive what little credit you had got flushed downtbe toilet by beliving she's a "Devil Worshiper", while you go and stroke the horns of the Golden Calf that is Donald Dump.

Horn would be exaggerating, everyone knows they are just golden nubs, judging by the size of his tiny hands.

[Pangean]

Which, if one actually studies Christianity, would point out the "Golden Calf" aspect of him :P

LOL. And given his diet lately he is fattening that calf.

[DeadmanWalking]

The good news is democracy at work won the day and another pro-soviet union Putin agent will never find work or a political ear in this country again.

[DeadmanWalking]

DO you even know what those "stances" are? How about how Hilary feels? Lets start with the gun rights, what is the big difference?

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Where does it say god elects the president of the United States?

Well his economic stance is that everything is made in communist or 3rd world countries because and I quote, "People in Bangladesh need jobs too."

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DO you even know what those "stances" are? How about how Hilary feels? Lets start with the gun rights, what is the big difference?

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Where does it say god elects the president of the United States?

That means that God Chose Obama to be the president, and Hillary if she wins.

[Ghostpanther]

DO you even know what those "stances" are? How about how Hilary feels? Lets start with the gun rights, what is the big difference?

I think I do. Gun rights is a Constitutional right. We do not need stronger and more gun control laws, what we need is stronger enforcement of the laws we already have. Banning AR 15's is not going to have a significant impact on gun deaths. It would only restrict the law aiding citizens from having one and I think they should have that right. Now one can debate that I know. And the Gun Control mega thread is one which does discuss it in more detail and if you are really interested, check it out.

[Kujako]

I think I do. Gun rights is a Constitutional right. We do not need stronger and more gun control laws, what we need is stronger enforcement of the laws we already have. Banning AR 15's is not going to have a significant impact on gun deaths. It would only restrict the law aiding citizens from having one and I think they should have that right. Now one can debate that I know. And the Gun Control mega thread is one which does discuss it in more detail and if you are really interested, check it out.

So when Trump said that "only certain people" should be allowed to carry guns, did you agree with him then, or only after he totally changed his position to get the NRA endorsement? Or are you believing Trump when he says that Hillary wants to repeal the 2nd amendment, despite there being absolutely nothing that backs that up? Every four years, the NRA tells you that the Democrats are coming for your guns, and every time it never happens. You would think you could figure out by now that they're just trying to sell more guns...