LEGION Tier only drops as items and not Tokens accordign to gamescom Q&A

[Drobu]

Going back to Vanilla style tier drops does nothing but artificially lengthen
a raids lifespan. LFR will be needed now more then ever for tier items
and set bonuses.

[mistahwilshire]

You've never used it before this retard change, my point still stands, also I don't believe you anyway.

You had no point and you're a moron.

Infracted

[Krazzorx]

Because it increases the likelihood of bad luck. (Assuming Ofc that loot drop style stays the same. And that this actually true. Both very big and unknown assumptions)

[Gorgodeus]

There are 12 classes; so a piece would have a 1/12 chance of being for the correct class.
For two pieces: the first is a 1/12 chance. The second is then 11/12 (that is, you didn't get the one you wanted from the first item) * 1/12 (second piece is what you want).
So:
P(at least 1 item for the class you want) = 1/12 + 11/12*1/12
= 1/12 + 11/144
=12/144 + 11/144
=23/144

Your math is off because they have changed how personal loot works. It basically guarantees that loot unusable by someone will not drop for them.

[Deleted]

Whatever, personal loot is the way to go.

No drama and the ability to trade dupes / downgrades to others makes it less painful than ML

As for those neckbeard guilds that do split raids and funnel gear; whatever. The game isn't balanced around 100 guilds in the world.

[Kakera]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
lots of guilds use it cause like... no loot drama ever! "well its personal loot, no ones fault bro"

just like how NO ONE pet battles or NO ONE likes lfr

He said real guilds. Guilds that have loot drama are not real guilds.

[purebalance]

no real guild will ever use personal loot -_-

this seems extremly fucked up change :/

Dumb guilds have avoided it in the past and really dumb guilds will avoid it in Legion. I hope you aren't a guild leader.

[Krazzorx]

IF this is true we are still missing the very important info of how much gear each boss would drop. If they drop 3-4 pieces for instance, that changes things quite a bit.

[SirBeef]

The issue comes about when your - for example - 2 warlocks have full tier and a Warlock tier piece drops. It becomes a literally useless item.

You say this as if no run in the history of WoW since Token tier drops were added, have there eve been a useless drop from a raid. Useless items drop almost every night.

[Skarzog]

Your math is off because they have changed how personal loot works. It basically guarantees that loot unusable by someone will not drop for them.

The math is correct. He is not talking about personal loot, this change has zero impact on personal loot. We are talking about master loot; meaning 1 kill = 2 pieces of tier regardless of who has what.

Personal loot remains the same. Well actually it is now the superior loot system in both pugs and organized raids. It already yields more loot/person and with this change it is probably going to be the default loot system for the entire game.

[Gaucho-]

For anyone still asking for a source:

http://www.vanion.eu/news/legion-kei...ens-mehr-15579

"Keine Tier-Set-Tokens mehr" is german for... yeah, you guessed it.

[SirBeef]

Is that 13/13 Heroic or Mythic? If it's heroic, I'm assuming you were 10 man and sure you might have a reason to not have every single class. But if it's mythic - no reason to not have every single class (minus Demon Hunters for very obvious reasons).

13/13 mythic with no Warrior, no Warlock, or no Monk. We let you play what you want to play even if it's sub optimal. But then we don't go fro rankings or anything, we play for our selves and to have fun playing what classes we want to play.

[Deleted]

You've never used it before this retard change, my point still stands, also I don't believe you anyway.

Retard change? its a good change. And no we havent, but we do now.

I dont care that you dont believe me. Be a dick all you want

[Sparkulls]

Whatever, personal loot is the way to go.

No drama and the ability to trade dupes / downgrades to others makes it less painful than ML

As for those neckbeard guilds that do split raids and funnel gear; whatever. The game isn't balanced around 100 guilds in the world.

Yeah why balance the game around the best players in the world when you can use people who still struggle to clear 12 month old content after it was nerfed by 40%.

[SoulSoBreezy]

This was posted on reddit.

If 2 rogue gloves drop and you have 0 rogues, they will be vendored. Unlike in WoD if you have no rogues, DK's Mages and Druids can still use them.

This information is too fresh for me to have a strong opinion on, but if tier is kind of pre-determined for a raid when a boss is killed, and the scenario you describe can't happen, how would players feel?
Personally I don't see a lot of work behind a system that scans the raid upon kill and doles out loot based on the classes that are there.

Even then I'd be fine with this. It takes the debate away from tertiary bonuses and IMO raid boss loot is a bit too generous as it is.

[FelPlague]

He said real guilds. Guilds that have loot drama are not real guilds.

and with personal loot giving more loot?

[Floopa]

one step closer to personal loot being default PogChamp

[Deleted]

Yeah why balance the game around the best players in the world when you can use people who still struggle to clear 12 month old content after it was nerfed by 40%.

You are joking right? Right?

Do you honestly believe they would balance the system around less then 1% of the raiding population as opposed to a much larger section?

Also what makes you think Personal loot is for noobs compared to hardcores?

I mean do any of you actually have a valid reason?

[troqu]

You are joking right? Right?

Do you honestly believe they would balance the system around less then 1% of the raiding population as opposed to a much larger section?

Also what makes you think Personal loot is for noobs compared to hardcores?

I mean do any of you actually have a valid reason?

Their reasoning is loot funneling which Blizz has always kind of given off the tone of "not happy" with that being the raider solution so I don't think Blizz will care if this hurts that.

[Deleted]

Their reasoning is loot funneling which Blizz has always kind of given off the tone of "not happy" with that being the raider solution so I don't think Blizz will care if this hurts that.

But you can still loot funnel with person loot?