Do you want Mythic or Mythic+ Only dungeons?

[Perkunas]

and this is why peoples ask for an heroic version of it

Can't they just find some people in the group tool? It's not terribly difficult and you might actually make a friend.

[Drekmar]

No need for two of them then is there? They can just turn Heroic better and have Mythic/Mythic+ as the challenging 5 man content for more competitive players.

The best thing would be to have only 2 options: Queueable normals(or call it whatever you want) , and then nonqueueable Mythic+.

[Wildmoon]

You don't need guild to do it too. I pugged highmaul and BRF just fine and finished both in heroic. You simply click one button to que then wait for invite. Is that even a problem? -_-.

[Drekmar]

You don't need guild to do it too. I pugged highmaul and BRF just fine and finished both in heroic. You simply click one button to que then wait for invite. Is that even a problem? -_-.

They probably dont know how to use it.

[Dominus89]

and this is why peoples ask for an heroic version of it

Why? Mythic is the new heroic. Heroic is the new normal.

People are so fucking lazy these days, they dont have a problem with queueing up through LFD, but when they suddendly need to do it manually, they complain.

[MasterHamster]

Making additional dungeons Mythic(+?) only makes Blizzard able to add more dungeons without making them make all regular dungeons obsolete thanks to weekly lockout. So yes, I'm more than fine with this move and I hope they keep doing so.

It's pretty embarrassing that this is even an issue. Oh no, you might have to chat with people to make a group in an MMO... how horrible...

And then you wonder why all the social aspects of WoW are pretty much gone?

[bufferunderrun]

Can't they just find some people in the group tool? It's not terribly difficult and you might actually make a friend.

are we playing a game or are we playing facebook? lfg give lot of freedom that the manual one don't, if someone is terribly bad or do shit you need to go back and find a substitute it imply a long wait time especially if it is the tank or the healer, if someone drop mid run it's the same and it create a problem for both the group that need to find a substitute and for the one who dropped that have the dungeon in lockout etc.
And i don't want even talking about how the manual tool is filled with peoples looking for overgeared players asking out of proportion ilevel, i wonder if the artifact is for example inspectable and peoples could refuse you if you don't have it maxed out.
This shit don't exist in lfg you enter do our job and if something go wrong drop it and queue again, especially for something that has 1 week lockout.

[Drekmar]

Also only Mythic is on weekly lockout. You can run Mythic+ as along as you have key stones and get gear every time from it, only cache is weekly.

[bufferunderrun]

Why? Mythic is the new heroic. Heroic is the new normal.

People are so fucking lazy these days, they dont have a problem with queueing up through LFD, but when they suddendly need to do it manually, they complain.

why you care just group up and do mythic i don't really care what you do why you care for what i do? are you a kind of stalker?

[Reyzzz]

No, it's dumb. 5 mans on a weekly lockout - come on. It's nonsense. Let raids be raids. They're just screwing with the appeal of 5 man gameplay with that kind of stuff. Taking 5 mans off of LFD is equally silly.

A) People would farm them to earn dozens of warforged items quite easily.

B) It gives incentive to socialize.

[bufferunderrun]

Also only Mythic is on weekly lockout. You can run Mythic+ as along as you have key stones and get gear every time from it, only cache is weekly.

good for you for me cba going to run the same shit 30 time a day to have a + 15 ilvl

[Perkunas]

So, the issue here is because it's 9 bosses and huge it's going to take a long time to clear it. Blizzard would have to basically chop it up into 3 pieces to make 3 smaller dungeons you can queue for, then they've got to nerf all the bosses and mobs, scale the gear and/or recolour too. Lots of work because you have to be able to queue for it. I can see why they are making it Mythic only, honestly.

[bufferunderrun]

So, the issue here is because it's 9 bosses and huge it's going to take a long time to clear it. Blizzard would have to basically chop it up into 3 pieces to make 3 smaller dungeons you can queue for, then they've got to nerf all the bosses and mobs, scale the gear and/or recolour too. Lots of work because you have to be able to queue for it. I can see why they are making it Mythic only, honestly.

the 9 boss is a non issue if the thing is in lfg it don't have a lockout so you can replace members who drop easily mid run; on the other hand i wonder how many get it locked in manual lfg without being able to complete it that weekend.

[Pull My Finger]

People would farm them to earn dozens of warforged items quite easily.

Which is just a symptom. Make a weekly CD on warforged if that's such a problem. But not a lockout on the instance. That's exactly what I'm saying in the first place. Keep that stuff out of 5 mans, it's backwards and mistaken.

It gives incentive to socialize.

It doesn't. Also, fuck socialize. Gameplay first, socializing is optional. You can stand around in SW and whisper all day if you want.

[Deleted]

No, it's dumb. 5 mans on a weekly lockout - come on. It's nonsense. Let raids be raids. They're just screwing with the appeal of 5 man gameplay with that kind of stuff. Taking 5 mans off of LFD is equally silly.

the harder 5 mans has always been on a weekly lockout.

[Drekmar]

the harder 5 mans has always been on a weekly lockout.

Which is just a symptom. Make a weekly CD on warforged if that's such a problem. But not a lockout on the instance. That's exactly what I'm saying in the first place. Keep that stuff out of 5 mans, it's backwards and mistaken.

You can farm Mythic+ as much as you want, no lockout on it.

[bufferunderrun]

the harder 5 mans has always been on a weekly lockout.

?_?

what probably some old vanilla shit was not even shattered hall was on weekly lockout?

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You can farm Mythic+ as much as you want, no lockout on it.

mythic+ is like the shitty grand rift you get in diablo how someone would farm that all day long is beyond my comprehension capacity

[Pull My Finger]

the harder 5 mans has always been on a weekly lockout.

Which ones do you mean? I can't remember any 5 mans on weekly lockouts and I've been doing them all since Vanilla.

[Perkunas]

the 9 boss is a non issue if the thing is in lfg it don't have a lockout so you can replace members who drop easily mid run; on the other hand i wonder how many get it locked in manual lfg without being able to complete it that weekend.

That actually is an issue. Content you can queue for is meant to be bite-sized notice that LFR is cut into small portions so you can go in there, auto-attack the loot pinata joke of a target dummy that's shaped like a boss, and collect your purps and bounce. The average person clicking the queue button who skips all non-queue group stuff doesn't have the time to sit waiting for replacements or slogging through an instance for 2 hours because as we've been told by these people over and over again they have a life, a wife, a mistress on the side, three children, two dogs, one cat, a saltwater aquarium with lots of fish, two full-time jobs, etc. and so on. They can't be bothered to put a group together because of time constraints.

If they had the time they wouldn't need to queue.

[Pull My Finger]

You can farm Mythic+ as much as you want, no lockout on it.

I'm gonna be honest, I don't even understand how this shit works any more. Never asked for all this mythic, plus, keystone, whatever nonsense. I don't know who can do what, why, when, how often and whatever. Always just wanted to do cool 5 mans that had a little oomph to them, like in TBC or Cata.