Hillary Clinton Could Easily Push America into Open Conflict with Russia

[Mihalik]

Russia is mobilizing and relocating troops as we speak. They don't actually need anyone's fucking approval. And nobody, neither the EU nor the US, has agreed to actually arm Ukraine. Because guess what, it's not in anyone's vested interest. Anything and everything east of Oder and Czech Rep *IS* Russia. Bringing these states back under Russian domination will take some time in the case of e.g. Poland and Baltic States (which first have to be removed from NATO, otherwise the whole deal will really stink and cast aspersions on the entire pact). But it is an absoulte certainty in the mid- to long run. No sane Western politician will die for Danzig... or Warschau, or some other shithole town nobody normal can even locate on the map ;P

The delusions are strong with you. Russia will implode upon itself before it brings Latvia back into it's "domination" let alone something like Poland.

This is not the 1930's and Russia is not the Soviet Union of the 1930's, and Europe is not the Europe of the 1930's.

[Ahovv]

Hmm. War with Russia, or war with every non-American country.

You lot have a tough choice. At least the Australian election was just who we thought were less petty liars.

If you actually believe that is the choice, then you should be examined by a psychiatrist.

[Cyberowl]

It happens to be attitude shared by many, Russians included. Nothing Clinton said suggests otherwise.

Then feel free to produce some quotes of Clinton that can even be remotely interpreted that she seeks physical conflict with Russia.

If you can't, you already know where this is going, don't you?

[XDurionX]

It's painfully obvious that Russia wants Trump in office at this point, because he would severely weaken the US.

[Djuntas]

Trump will be Putins happy idiot play thing.

I sure don't want him to have anything to do with Russia. Putin will pop champagne if he wins.

[Skroe]

The delusions are strong with you. Russia will implode upon itself before it brings Latvia back into it's "domination" let alone something like Poland.

This is not the 1930's and Russia is not the Soviet Union of the 1930's, and Europe is not the Europe of the 1930's.

The 1930s didn't think they were the 1930s either. "Peace in our time" and all that.

The 1910s didn't think they were the 1910s either.


All the actors for the next major conflict are circling each other.

[Cyberowl]

Google up what "phobia" means. You might learn something.

RT defines it as: People disagreeing with annexation. Gosh damn it

[Deleted]

This is an article that appeared a few days ago to the national interest (link). Although i get a feeling that NI is pro Trump, it makes some valid points. What if Clinton gets in power and tries to enforce a no fly zone over Russia's close ally Syria? (something that she had said she would do). What if she tries to arm the Kiev government? The only certain thing is that USA - Russia relations are going to hit bottom low if she gets elected. What do you guys think?

The article as it appears in NI:

And Trump will push a conflict with everyone, for no good reason, because he's an irresponsible, impulsive, arrogant twat.

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Trump will be Putins happy idiot play thing.

I sure don't want him to have anything to do with Russia. Putin will pop champagne if he wins.

Yeah, China will love it too. He's a fucking tool. A push-over.

[Ulmita]

Oh please. The moment US F-22s started to swat Russian Su-35s out of the sky like the gnats they are, you'd be the first one here crying about US aggression.

You must really want to see some dead Russian pilots.

I mean where are you F-22's when they owned your base in syria? when they bombed it over and over again? You did jack shit cause your are pussies and you wont do shit either when they resist to you invading another nation.

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And Trump will push a conflict with everyone, for no good reason, because he's an irresponsible, impulsive, arrogant twat.

Listen, both candidates are retards. Trump will keep retardness within your borders. That's the main difference.

[dd614]

I mean, I'm all for as maximally an antangonistic relationship as possible with Russia. I've made that clear on many occasions.You don't ward off a bully by being reasonable. You ward off a bully by punching them in the chest so hard they're on their knees gasping for air.

Let's give Russia a punch to the chest they'll never, ever forget.

National Interest, however, "cleaned house" so to speak, once Trump won the nomination. During the primary thery were very anti-Trump, and sections of it still are, but the editorial direction shifted to a pro-Trump anti-Internationalist viewpoint as a consequence of his nomination. Several editors and writers were fired, others quit.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/20/...-donald-trump/

They were replaced with alt-right fringe people nobody's heard of, as is the Trump way. Given his impending historic loss, this will probably be overturned in the winter.

It's very sad for NI Magazine. It's never had huge circulation, but was widely read among the US Foreign policy community and many extremely influential articles first appeared in it over the decades. It's like Roll Call or The Hill.... popular among power brokers. That such an institution fell to trump is rather profane.

So basically you're a neo-con warmonger who wants endless bloodshed overseas. As long as it ain't your kids dying in foreign countries, you're cool with it.

Here's a tip: America's foreign policy is just as fucked up and awful as Russia's. America supports dictators and regime change while Russia does the same shit.

[Gheld]

And Trump will push a conflict with everyone, for no good reason, because he's an irresponsible, impulsive, arrogant twat.

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Yeah, China will love it too. He's a fucking tool. A push-over.

Meanwhile



Gaddafi consistently met the demands placed upon his regime by the UN. He turned Libya from a state sponsor of terror to an active deterrence thereof in the region.

Then NATO illegally interfered with Libya during the Arab Springs and he was killed. Libya has since been "liberated" Iraq style and is no longer a safe place to live.

That's what your "queen of all that is right and progressive" feels about that.

Jesus Christ. The fact that anybody would call themselves progressive would vote for her, or even consider voting for that, for 2 seconds, disgusts me.

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I mean where are you F-22's when they owned your base in syria? when they bombed it over and over again? You did jack shit cause your are pussies and you wont do shit either when they resist to you invading another nation.

Who is this you? Proxies (by definition puppets) who serve as front line meat?

[Aggrophobic]

Yeah, that is very, very unlikely.
Trump is a much bigger threat to world peace at this point.

[dd614]

It's painfully obvious that Russia wants Trump in office at this point, because he would severely weaken the US.

How do you define American strength? By how many foreign countries it can destroy and leave in ruin? God, some people literally have no ability to reason or think logically.

[Deleted]

Listen, both candidates are retards.

Trump gets triggered and goes in to a meltdown whenever the size of his hands are questioned.

Clinton endured 11 hour roasting by a committee that was designed to bring her down.

Now tell me, who's the retard?

[Ulmita]

How do you define American strength? By how many foreign countries it can destroy and leave in ruin? God, some people literally have no ability to reason or think logically.

Meanwhile article from an American site/ magazine. Go figure hahaha

[Gheld]

Yeah, that is very, very unlikely.
Trump is a much bigger threat to world peace at this point.

Anybody who can say that and actually believe those words as they come out of their mouth has their head so deep in the sand they are never coming out.

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Trump gets triggered and goes in to meltdown whenever the size of his hands are questioned.

Clinton endured 11 hour roasting by acommittee that was designed to bring her down.

Now tell, who's the retard?

People who think Trump and Hillary are the only two candidates on the ballot.

[dd614]

Meanwhile article from an American site/ magazine. Go figure hahaha

Americans can and should be calling out their government's terrible foreign policy of the past 20+ years. It's not patriotic to support your country when it does bad things.

[Shalcker]

Then feel free to produce some quotes of Clinton that can even be remotely interpreted that she seeks physical conflict with Russia.

If you can't, you already know where this is going, don't you?

It's easy:

You heard that during the pre-Christmas Democratic debate, when ABC’s Martha Raddatz tried to pin down Clinton’s advocacy of a no-fly zone in Syria. “ISIS doesn’t have aircraft, Al Qaeda doesn’t have aircraft,” Raddatz pointed out. “So would you shoot down a Syrian military aircraft or a Russian airplane?” Clinton’s reply was that “I do not think it would come to that. We are already de-conflicting air space.” When Raddatz persisted—“But isn’t that a decision you should make now?”—Clinton said that she favored the no-fly zone “because I think it would help us on the ground to protect Syrians.” She sees the dilemma but seems unwilling to deal with it. Without mentioning Iraq or Libya, Sanders put it clearly when he said, “I worry too much that Secretary Clinton is too much into regime change, and a little bit too aggressive without knowing what the unintended consequences might be…. You’ve got to think about what happens the day after.” Clinton didn’t really have a response.

She "doesn't think it will come to that". She is wrong, and really should know better with her foreign policy experience.

This reckless attitude is exactly what is concerning.

[Cyberowl]

Meanwhile



Gaddafi consistently met the demands placed upon his regime by the UN. He turned Libya from a state sponsor of terror to an active deterrence thereof in the region.

Then NATO illegally interfered with Libya during the Arab Springs and he was killed. Libya has since been "liberated" Iraq style and is no longer a safe place to live.

That's what your "queen of all that is right and progressive" feels about that.

Jesus Christ. The fact that anybody would call themselves progressive would vote for her, or even consider voting for that, for 2 seconds, disgusts me.

Well, the alternative is a guy who asks "We have nuclear weapons, why don't we use them?". And don't give me the 3rd party bullshit, it would need another 3 elections just like this in a row before people would abandon the both major parties for good.