Texas "pro life" policies have doubled the maternal mortality rate

[Celista]

Nah. It's a bash Texas thread. Take those facts and statistics out of here and toss them in the trash with context.

Bash bash bash baby! And then bash some Republicans too for good measure. Let's bash some white folks and move on to religious folks next. ...That is the point of this thread right?

I actually want to visit Texas and I stated as such in another thread. Not sure if it will happen this year but hopefully soon. I have a friend who is a middle school teacher in Austin that I want to visit (both she and her sister are from Chicago and teach at the same middle school, it's quite cute).

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I don't know why the US is so far behind the rest of the first world in some regards... This is so strange. The wealthiest, the most influential country in the world - can't afford universal healthcare and free education, something even some extremely poor third world countries have? I just don't get it.

Irrational fear of anything that smacks of socialism, rampant corporate greed that is normally reined in by government policies (we still have a hands-off, pro-privatization culture around goods/services that are not privatized in other countries). I used to be a believer in unregulated markets but every major economic recession in the US since the 1980s has been due to rampant greed or short-sighted thinking (dot com crash, subprime mortgage crisis, etc).

[Gilbergrape]

who says the policies are responsible for the "surge" of deaths?

http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

[BannedForViews]

You are suggesting that the doubling of maternal mortality rates in a mere 6 years is a statistical fluke. It isn't. It is a statistical trend. How many women do need to die for you to admit there is a problem? 100? 200? 1600? What number is the number that would convince you that Texas has a problem?

First, as another pointed out, texas is 28 out of 50 states. Clearly they arent thst big a problem. Second, as to be expected you completely miss the point. All this article says is thst between years x and y, the number of women sying from birth problems rose. It does not state anything about these women or the causes of their deaths, facts that sre actually important. Finally, there is no proof that planned parenthood would of had any effect on these outcomes. If it exists provide it, but last i checked babies were delivered in hospitals. Thete is also no evidence that these women wanted to abort but couldnt. It may be true, but unless it is, stop projecting.

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I actually want to visit Texas and I stated as such in another thread. Not sure if it will happen this year but hopefully soon. I have a friend who is a middle school teacher in Austin that I want to visit (both she and her sister are from Chicago and teach at the same middle school, it's quite cute).

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Irrational fear of anything that smacks of socialism, rampant corporate greed that is normally reined in by government policies (we still have a hands-off, pro-privatization culture around goods/services that are not privatized in other countries). I used to be a believer in unregulated markets but every major economic recession in the US since the 1980s has been due to rampant greed or short-sighted thinking (dot com crash, subprime mortgage crisis, etc).

You clearly do not know what causes recessions, or what greed means.

[Crissi]

It's not just abortions. They also provide cheap preventative care, so if you take PP away you suddenly don't have affordable alternatives in areas that are scarce on healthcare that isn't a hospital . So you end up waiting until it's too late to get help.

This is kind of basic epidimeological stuff here...

[Bighud44]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...linics-funding

Pro-life, unless you're poor and female, then you can just go die.

You do realize that The Guardian is an ultra left wing, UK based, so called news site? Their whole premise is to break down anything conservative or republican. They have been known to distort stats to fit their agenda. As you can read they mentioned Planed Parenthood multiple times. Planned parenthood may do some good things here and there but overall they are nothing but an institution hell bent on wiping out the negro race. I mean just look at some of her remarks...http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Anyways...this is nothing but a "hey look hoe bad conservatives are"....

[Celista]

You clearly do not know what causes recessions, or what greed means.

I think that this is a pointless discussion if you can't address my earlier points about hidden healthcare costs and now are trying to claim that I do not know what causes recessions.

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It's not just abortions. They also provide cheap preventative care, so if you take PP away you suddenly don't have affordable alternatives in areas that are scarce on healthcare that isn't a hospital . So you end up waiting until it's too late to get help.

This is kind of basic epidimeological stuff here...

Yes. Preventative care is also why other countries can provide better healthcare at a reduced cost. It is cheaper for a given country to focus on preventative care, in the long run.

[May90]

Irrational fear of anything that smacks of socialism, rampant corporate greed that is normally reined in by government policies (we still have a hands-off, pro-privatization culture around goods/services that are not privatized in other countries). I used to be a believer in unregulated markets but every major economic recession in the US since the 1980s has been due to rampant greed or short-sighted thinking (dot com crash, subprime mortgage crisis, etc).

I used to support unrestricted free market as well, but later found this concept naive. I've always believed though that some basic needs should be provided by the government. Providing free education and healthcare does not threaten capitalism and free market, it just prevents people from exploiting others' essential needs. I think the market should be about luxury items, not items vital for one's survival.

What I've noticed in the US is that there is that weird mentality widespread, which makes people feel different from the rest of the world, and want to be different. When someone proposes something and says, "Look, it works fine in Europe, so it can work here too!", one often responds, "We are not Europe, we have our own system". Even such simple thing as proposal to switch from Farenheits to Celsius encounters a strongly negative reaction from some folks. Strange...

[Mihalik]

First, as another pointed out, texas is 28 out of 50 states. Clearly they arent thst big a problem. Second, as to be expected you completely miss the point.

Ignoring most of your semantic nonsense, just addressing this one point.

That position is based on pre-2010 data. The doubling happened since then.

Read.

From 2000 to the end of 2010, Texas’s estimated maternal mortality rate hovered between 17.7 and 18.6 per 100,000 births. But after 2010, that rate had leaped to 33 deaths per 100,000, and in 2014 it was 35.8. Between 2010 and 2014, more than 600 women died for reasons related to their pregnancies.

No other state saw a comparable increase.

In the wake of the report, reproductive health advocates are blaming the increase on Republican-led budget cuts that decimated the ranks of Texas’s reproductive healthcare clinics. In 2011, just as the spike began, the Texas state legislature cut $73.6m from the state’s family planning budget of $111.5m. The two-thirds cut forced more than 80 family planning clinics to shut down across the state. The remaining clinics managed to provide services – such as low-cost or free birth control, cancer screenings and well-woman exams – to only half as many women as before.

As the article points out later is that since 2013 Texas has been trying to restore services in many areas and despite making funding available they are struggling to replace the already destroyed infrastructure.

And the article also points out, that now Zika is here too, and Texas still couldn't restore a fraction of previously existing services.

[Celista]

You do realize that The Guardian is an ultra left wing, UK based, so called news site? Their whole premise is to break down anything conservative or republican. They have been known to distort stats to fit their agenda. As you can read they mentioned Planed Parenthood multiple times. Planned parenthood may do some good things here and there but overall they are nothing but an institution hell bent on wiping out the negro race. I mean just look at some of her remarks...http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Anyways...this is nothing but a "hey look hoe bad conservatives are"....

What...explain the bolded please. Are you seriously trying to extrapolate Sanger's comments as the agenda for a current-day organization?

[Crissi]

Preventative care is almost always cheaper. That's why people wait so long to get help if they can't get cheap preventative care. It's actually a big problem in small or rural communities.

[Mihalik]

What...explain the bolded please. Are you seriously trying to extrapolate Sanger's comments as the agenda for a current-day organization?

"The negro race"... He is either trolling, or is a White Supremacis...cough...I mean alt-conservative a la David Duke.

[Celista]

I used to support unrestricted free market as well, but later found this concept naive.

It is, because no market in the world is completely unregulated. What we see time and time again is that lack of marketplace competition for a given good or service drives up costs for the consumer; marketplace competition is simply not feasible when industrial, geographic, or other outside limitations place limits on feasible consumer options (schools, prisons, health care etc just being some examples of this).

[BannedForViews]

I feel like YOU missed the entire point. We pay a premium for medications and services in the United States in comparison to even other developed countries. We can MORE than afford our own healthcare, if we stopped gouging Americans for basic health care costs. We don't need a 10:1 ratio for health care administrators to practitioners; the inefficient administration of healthcare services is another hidden healthcare cost.

Like the Epipen. Are you seriously telling me that we need to charge $500 and up for a device that costs literally pennies to make? And that is just ONE example of inflated pricing in our health care system.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/econ...school-n633071

Those are not issues that government can or has fixed in other places. The epipen issue which i was aware of before you is more likely than not caused by government. The markups are so grest yod have to be a fool to not get into that market. Without an extremely close examination a legal barrier to entry is the most likely cause.

[Poopymonster]

You are suggesting that the doubling of maternal mortality rates in a mere 6 years is a statistical fluke. It isn't. It is a statistical trend. How many women do need to die for you to admit there is a problem? 100? 200? 1600? What number is the number that would convince you that Texas has a problem?

That depends on what color the women are. White God Fearing Texans, very few. Non Traditionally Colored free loaders being let live here n Texas, all of them.

[Deleted]

I sometimes forget how regressed some parts of the states still are.. Strangely enough when i read that article it stated(completely seperately, ofcourse) that these parts also have a high % of religious folk.


Very strange indeed.. Poor women

[Ghostmcghosty]

To show people the terrible choices Texas has made? What was the point of your post? Besides whining?

Same point as you. To bitch and moan. Cause you sure as shit didn't post anything constructive.

You're right, white Texan conservatives are the real victims.

Your words, not mine

Okay, tell us what none Texas bashing insight are we missing here?

Texas decides to go Full Pro Life Maximus, maternal mortality rates skyrocket to a degree that it makes it look like Texas was hit by an asteroid or something.

But Texas wasn't hit by an asteroid. Texas, run by Republicans decided to cut funding to maternal care facilities and write a long list of laws targeting foundations and volunteers making it impossible for them to operate.

Being called out for this epic disaster is not bashing.

You missed the part where there are 20+ states with a higher mortality rate than Texas and mortality rate is rising across the United States...The part where you ignore that, and act like this is a Texas exclusive thing that points to how shit the state is...that is the part where the bashing comes in.

Look, I'm not even from Texas. I am just calling out people looking for an excuse to bash when I see them. I will do the same if I see people bashing a province in Canada or elsewhere. Ignorance must be called out when it is spotted.

[Hammerfest]

I'll go with C. Everett Koop's assessment of pro-life vs maternal mortality...

[Ghostmcghosty]

I actually want to visit Texas and I stated as such in another thread. Not sure if it will happen this year but hopefully soon. I have a friend who is a middle school teacher in Austin that I want to visit (both she and her sister are from Chicago and teach at the same middle school, it's quite cute).

It's alright. I like Austin myself. It's surprisingly greener than I expected. And the people are much more liberal than people like OP make them out to be.

I don't agree with all their rules, but I would prefer to live there vs some Northern states I have been in.

I'm glad you are open minded and not simply blacklisting an entire region because of political mumbo jumbo. Texas isn't Liberal hating teabaggers, Chicago isn't a gang controlled cesspool, and not everyone in California is having abortions left and right. ANyone making such stupid generalizations is ignorant.

[Crissi]

Ghost, I am Texas. This is not bashing. There is legitimate criticism and we do have our issues with healthcare accessibility. Us being only 28 doesn't mean we're somehow fine. We're not, and eliminating cheap preventative care alternatives only hurts this.

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Hammerfist: then you've never heard of ectopic pregnancies. Those are where the eggs implant Outside the uterus and are generally fatal unless aborted.

[xChurch]

You missed the part where there are 20+ states with a higher mortality rate than Texas and mortality rate is rising across the United States...The part where you ignore that, and act like this is a Texas exclusive thing that points to how shit the state is...that is the part where the bashing comes in.

Look, I'm not even from Texas. I am just calling out people looking for an excuse to bash when I see them. I will do the same if I see people bashing a province in Canada or elsewhere. Ignorance must be called out when it is spotted.

Except you conveniently overlooked the posts that said your data was outdated. They have one of the highest mortality rates in the developed world, forget just the US.