Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Matchles]

Wikileaks, oh i heard he was, i guess it was a joke now.

Yes it was. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

WikiLeaks isn't 'working on' hacking Trump's tax-returns. Claim is a joke from a comedy show.

What are undocumented immigrants? Oh you mean Illegals, people who broke the law.

It's what they are, immigrants without proper documentation. Your term is idiotic because absolutely everyone in this country is illegal, it is damn near impossible to be 100% in compliance with the law all the time. You ever walk against the crosswalk light? What are you still doing in this country "illegal?"

Muslims can't be white or black?

Of course they can; that isn't what xenophobia is. It means fear of people perceived to be foreign or strange.

No one wants to keep out law abiding Muslims from the country. ISIS needs to be addressed.
We need to ban from certain regions as i said before.

You might want to check with your boy Trump on that one. He wants a ban on ALL Muslims entering the country, that includes those that are law abiding.

[alexw]

If you want proof of Leftist/Clinton media look no further than Louisiana. When Bush did a "flyover"following Katrina he was demonized for months. Obama stays on his 300th round of golf and Hillary "too ill to campaign, has no shits to give"= crickets. At least Trump gave a care, brought aid and his own security, to the Cheers of the residents. The Leftist shills have nothing.

Tell me, how many people have died this time around in Louisiana? How many are left without water and food for more than a week? There's your answer.

People are not complaining because Obama has set the wheels in motion for a proper response, and the man in charge of FEMA who is handling the situation isn't an Arabian horse breeder pal of Obama's who got the job as a political favor.

[DeadmanWalking]

It is not just for training / advisory roles. They are there also to help prevent some Iraq troops shitting their pants and running like crazy in a real fight and letting ISIS take over more ground. They armed to the teeth and are getting combat pay. I admit I am mad over 9000 US troops who died for those countries who will never appreciate it. They take and take.

So... You are mad that we are not there even though we agreed to not be there but we are there but not enough of our soldiers are there but now you are mad that our soldiers got wounded for being there? You do realize that you are mad about our soldiers getting wounded but keeping our entire military there indefinitely without end assures more soldiers are injured, right?

This conversation is turning into a circle jerk.

[Ghostpanther]

It's what they are, immigrants without proper documentation. Your term is idiotic because absolutely everyone in this country is illegal, it is damn near impossible to be 100% in compliance with the law all the time. You ever walk against the crosswalk light? What are you still doing in this country "illegal?"



Of course they can; that isn't what xenophobia is. It means fear of people perceived to be foreign or strange.



You might want to check with your boy Trump on that one. He wants a ban on ALL Muslims entering the country, that includes those that are law abiding.

Saying they are illegal immigrants is also the correct term if they are here illegally. And comparing jay walking with breaking the law being in our country illegally is ridiculous.

That is not true. He said his temporary ban ( a term you left out ) would not apply to Muslim US citizens. Since then he has even back down from that and instead is for strong vetting of Muslims ( non US citizens ) entering the country from some areas which are known terrorist are.

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So... You are mad that we are not there even though we agreed to not be there but we are there but not enough of our soldiers are there but now you are mad that our soldiers got wounded for being there? You do realize that you are mad about our soldiers getting wounded but keeping our entire military there indefinitely without end assures more soldiers are injured, right?

This conversation is turning into a circle jerk.

lol! I agree. It is a mess. Trump thinks we need to go in there and bomb the hell out of them, get it over fast and then stay the hell out ( after we keep some of the oil however ). So it is only more of danger to US troops if we try to fight it like we did in Vietnam.

[NYC17]

Saying they are illegal immigrants is also the correct term if they are here illegally. And comparing jay walking with breaking the law being in our country illegally is ridiculous.

That is not true. He said his temporary ban ( a term you left out ) would not apply to Muslim US citizens. Since then he has even back down from that and instead is for strong vetting of Muslims ( non US citizens ) entering the country from some areas which are known terrorist are.

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lol! I agree. It is a mess. Trump thinks we need to go in there and bomb the hell out of them, get it over fast and then stay the hell out ( after we keep some of the oil however ). So it is only more of danger to US troops if we try to fight it like we did in Vietnam.

Yes, because bomb the hell out of them and leave is a viable plan...

sigh

[alexw]

It is not just for training / advisory roles. They are there also to help prevent some Iraq troops shitting their pants and running like crazy in a real fight and letting ISIS take over more ground. They armed to the teeth and are getting combat pay. I admit I am mad over 9000 US troops who died for those countries who will never appreciate it. They take and take.

Err what the hell???

Those troops did not die for "Iraq" they died for Bush's megalomaniac vision of reshaping the world. Nor did they "take" anything, the current situation is a direct result of the absolute mess we made in Iraq and the least we can do is help clean up what we caused.

Moreover there is nothing for Iraq citizens to appreciate. Do you understand how many Iraq's have died due to the war and its aftermath? We are talking 500,000 to 1 million people, perhaps more, just from the Iraq war alone. Then add in the thousands and thousands more from ISIS. If I were them I'd not be appreciative I'd be absolutely furious.

I must say you've shown an extreme amount of arrogance in this post.

[DeadmanWalking]

Saying they are illegal immigrants is also the correct term if they are here illegally. And comparing jay walking with breaking the law being in our country illegally is ridiculous.

That is not true. He said his temporary ban ( a term you left out ) would not apply to Muslim US citizens. Since then he has even back down from that and instead is for strong vetting of Muslims ( non US citizens ) entering the country from some areas which are known terrorist are.

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lol! I agree. It is a mess. Trump thinks we need to go in there and bomb the hell out of them, get it over fast and then stay the hell out ( after we keep some of the oil however ). So it is only more of danger to US troops if we try to fight it like we did in Vietnam.

You can't bomb someone back to the 17th century if they already live in the 15th century.

Trump only exposes that he doesn't know how to fight Isis. We are bombing them, we drop more bombs than we produce on a daily basis. Isis hides within common people, they don't have military strong holds like bunkers, air fields, ammo dumps or train lines and battleships. You can't just carpet bomb them, it just doesn't work that way and if you spent half a second actually fighting them you would know it.
Carpet bombing sounds really good when you are standing in front of a microphone though but the military generals already explained why that doesn't work and you can google any general you want and see what they say. It is just ignorant bluster that trump blows out his ass because he doesn't know How to fight Isis at all.

[Aggrophobic]

It is not just for training / advisory roles. They are there also to help prevent some Iraq troops shitting their pants and running like crazy in a real fight and letting ISIS take over more ground. They armed to the teeth and are getting combat pay. I admit I am mad over 9000 US troops who died for those countries who will never appreciate it. They take and take.

What? You saying that they should be happy that the US bombed the crap out of them?
Becuase you know, you guys kinda made that mess. It sure as hell was not Iraq that invaded you.

[DeadmanWalking]

You can't carpet bomb Isis without carpet bombing innocent women and children and regular citizens. You know what happens when a bomb strikes a village and kills a bunch of people to get a few Isis guys? Their relatives sign up with Isis to get revenge. This is just pure stupidity.

[Ghostpanther]

You can't bomb someone back to the 17th century if they already live in the 15th century.

Trump only exposes that he doesn't know how to fight Isis. We are bombing them, we drop more bombs than we produce on a daily basis. Isis hides within common people, they don't have military strong holds like bunkers, air fields, ammo dumps or train lines and battleships. You can't just carpet bomb them, it just doesn't work that way and if you spent half a second actually fighting them you would know it.
Carpet bombing sounds really good when you are standing in front of a microphone though but the military generals already explained why that doesn't work and you can google any general you want and see what they say. It is just ignorant bluster that trump blows out his ass because he doesn't know How to fight Isis at all.

He has said some troops on the ground would be necessary. So yeah, bombing the hell out of them and leaving it like that would not work. You are correct. Am I in favor of doing that. No. I think we should pull all of our troops out of there and Afghanistan and stop the bombing. Leave them to their own devices. But if we do fight, get it over as fast as possible without using nukes.

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What? You saying that they should be happy that the US bombed the crap out of them?
Becuase you know, you guys kinda made that mess. It sure as hell was not Iraq that invaded you.

I can not disagree with you on that.

[DeadmanWalking]

He has said some troops on the ground would be necessary. So yeah, bombing the hell out of them and leaving it like that would not work. You are correct. Am I in favor of doing that. No. I think we should pull all of our troops out of there and Afghanistan and stop the bombing. Leave them to their own devices.

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I can not disagree with you on that.

I think you are at the point where you don't know what you said two seconds ago.

Hell, Trumos words are already being used in terror recruitment media. "We need to kill the family of terrorists!"

Now follow me here, put yourself in a different body. You are an Arab young man, your brother two years ago left the family to join Isis and you don't agree with his decision and you stayed behind to take care of your family. Then your brother comes to the door and says, "Look at this, the next president Donald Trump said he is going to kill the family of Isis, he is going to kill you and our parents and two sisters! Your choice is to stay here and watch them all get murdered or join me and we can fight to protect them!" Of course he is going to join Isis, his family is threatened. It isn't hard for a person to come to that conclusion.

You can't win this war by killing people's unarmed family, by dropping bombs where they hide because they hide in plain clothes among normal people, it is called urban guerilka warfare.

All you and Trump are doing is convincing me you have no clue who or what you are fighting. You can't beat an enemy if you can't understand what motivates them.

[Ghostpanther]

I think you are at the point where you don't know what you said two seconds ago.

Hell, Trumos words are already being used in terror recruitment media. "We need to kill the family of terrorists!"

Now follow me here, put yourself in a different body. You are an Arab young man, your brother two years ago left the family to join Isis and you don't agree with his decision and you stayed behind to take care of your family. Then your brother comes to the door and says, "Look at this, the next president Donald Trump said he is going to kill the family of Isis, he is going to kill you and our parents and two sisters! Your choice is to stay here and watch them all get murdered or join me and we can fight to protect them!" Of course he is going to join Isis, his family is threatened. It isn't hard for a person to come to that conclusion.

You can't win this war by killing people's unarmed family, by dropping bombs where they hide because they hide in plain clothes among normal people, it is called urban guerilka warfare.

All you and Trump are doing is convincing me you have no clue who or what you are fighting. You can't beat an enemy if you can't understand what motivates them.

I think you are at the point where you do not understand what I mean. So what is your solution to beating ISIS?

[Matchles]

Saying they are illegal immigrants is also the correct term if they are here illegally. And comparing jay walking with breaking the law being in our country illegally is ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous? I get that you guys like to think those in this country without documentation are somehow destroying the country but it's more akin to not filling out a form in triplicate. They aren't hurting anyone in larger numbers than any other group of individuals in the country. They are paying taxes and they are working jobs that few people want. In terms of actual crimes it is incredibly minor.

That is not true. He said his temporary ban ( a term you left out ) would not apply to Muslim US citizens. Since then he has even back down from that and instead is for strong vetting of Muslims ( non US citizens ) entering the country from some areas which are known terrorist are.

A "temporary" ban with no conditions for lifting it. We've seen this sort of thing before. War on drugs, war on terror. How long did those last? Yes according to Trump it would be a temporary ban "until we figure out what's going on," whatever the fuck that means. And you don't know what it includes, his campaign has stated it does include US citizens and that it doesn't. They won't say which countries are included, so if you are looking for countries where known terrorists are, places like France would be on the list. Also you may want to check with Trump because he insists he hasn't changed or softened his stance on the ban.

[Ghostpanther]

How is it ridiculous? I get that you guys like to think those in this country without documentation are somehow destroying the country but it's more akin to not filling out a form in triplicate. They aren't hurting anyone in larger numbers than any other group of individuals in the country. They are paying taxes and they are working jobs that few people want. In terms of actual crimes it is incredibly minor.



A "temporary" ban with no conditions for lifting it. We've seen this sort of thing before. War on drugs, war on terror. How long did those last? Yes according to Trump it would be a temporary ban "until we figure out what's going on," whatever the fuck that means. And you don't know what it includes, his campaign has stated it does include US citizens and that it doesn't. They won't say which countries are included, so if you are looking for countries where known terrorists are, places like France would be on the list. Also you may want to check with Trump because he insists he hasn't changed or softened his stance on the ban.

They are hurting Americans. Some in very bad ways. And not all pay taxes. Some work for cash and no taxes are paid. Working jobs no one wants? You do not know that. The problem is the ones hiring them can hire them very cheaply. Since they will send or take the money they make back to Mexico and it will be worth more. But that is assumption on my part. But i do know it happens from those I have talked to personally.

Does not matter it was a temporary ban with no time limit for lifting it. It is not his stance now. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Upd...uslims-from-US It never did apply to US citizens. He has changed on several issues. That is what you Trump haters like to point out. lol!

[DeadmanWalking]

I think you are at the point where you do not understand what I mean. So what is your solution to beating ISIS?

Exactly how they are doing it, Isis is being pushed back, has lost a little less than half its forces and is being pushed back to its stronghold Raqqa. You really need to look for news sources outside of Republican channels, republicans don't want anyone to think Obama and the military are actually fighting Isis. It's all politics, just because you are Republican doesn't mean they don't lie to you or alter the message slightly.

All you are exposing to me is that you don't know who your enemy is beyond its name, what motivates it, how it wages war, or even why it wages war. Half the battle is knowing, and you don't know what you are talking about. You heard some talking points, they matched your political opinion and you ran with it. Do some studying, ask a fucking soldier who was there what they think. Educate yourself and stop listening to politicians and their media club houses.

[alexw]

I think you are at the point where you do not understand what I mean. So what is your solution to beating ISIS?

The solution is to continue the same slow methodical process that is going on right now under Obama. Provide the air support and the heavy weaponry support the local fighters on the ground need to kill ISIS members and take back territory. I don't think you know it but ISIS has been continually losing territory for a few years now. Its lost 40% of what it has controlled in Iraq and 10-20% in Syria. In fact the very reason there are more terrorist attacks in Europe is because of this loss. They are losing the ground war in the middle east so are turning to terror instead.

[shimerra]

NAFTA has been a disaster for the whole country. So while you will disagree with that, I do not think he is lying. But expressing a opinion.

To lie it requires an intended to deceive and some of the shit trump says is so stupid I'm not sure if the prospect of him lieing or honestly believing it is worse.

Criticism's of NAFTA have far more to do with telling a good Nationalist story than the real impact.

They are hurting Americans. Some in very bad ways. And not all pay taxes. Some work for cash and no taxes are paid. Working jobs no one wants? You do not know that. The problem is the ones hiring them can hire them very cheaply. Since they will send or take the money they make back to Mexico and it will be worth more. But that is assumption on my part. But i do know it happens from those I have talked to personally.

Does not matter it was a temporary ban with no time limit for lifting it. It is not his stance now. It never did apply to US citizens. He has changed on several issues. That is what you Trump haters like to point out. lol!

Some Americans work for cash and don't pay taxes on that. And even if their wage is cash based they still pay some type of tax. You assume, I researched. Used to have an old paper I did for my undergrad but sadly that was couple computers ago and i'm bad at porting everything over. Not only do the majority pay taxes AND use less services then citizens there's also the benefit to the American consumer that we get cheaper goods as a result. And yes economists do account for remittances and guess what that doesn't wipe out the benefit America frequently sees. I actually used to think like yourself until I dove into the literature and the majority of papers that weren't proposed by methodologically shit and intellectually dishonest biased political think tanks disagreed with my assumption that illegal workers were a wholesale bad thing.

And yes we do know that quite frequently they're doing jobs no Americans want. You don't know that does not translate into it is not known by anyone. There was an OP ed that talked about a Georgia farmer after they cracked down on illegal labor and I believe he claimed to have been forced to let over 600,000$ worth of crop rot because he couldn't get legal workers to fill the position. Do a little research about agricultural labor alone.

[Cthulhu 2020]

What are undocumented immigrants? Oh you mean Illegals, people who broke the law.

Half of "illegals" came here on temporary work visas sponsored by various companies or even the government itself. They waited 5+ years to hear back from immigration services and never did. Every time Democrats try to push a fix to our broken immigration system through, Republicans claim it's working as intended. Apparently Immigration services taking years and often losing people's papers is working as intended.

Anyway, about 6 million of the 11 million immigrants are people who came over on these visas and then never heard back from immigration. Not yes or no. Just nothing. Now they are established here, but their visas have run out. They have a job, contacts, family, children, etc. all here in the states.

What law did these people break again? Because presence in the US as a foreign national is not criminally illegal. Crossing the border with the intent to evade border security is, but 6 million people came here legally and are now being harassed by Trumples because our immigration system is broken and Republicans don't want to fix it.

[Ghostpanther]

Exactly how they are doing it, Isis is being pushed back, has lost a little less than half its forces and is being pushed back to its stronghold Raqqa. You really need to look for news sources outside of Republican channels, republicans don't want anyone to think Obama and the military are actually fighting Isis. It's all politics, just because you are Republican doesn't mean they don't lie to you or alter the message slightly.

All you are exposing to me is that you don't know who your enemy is beyond its name, what motivates it, how it wages war, or even why it wages war. Half the battle is knowing, and you don't know what you are talking about. You heard some talking points, they matched your political opinion and you ran with it. Do some studying, ask a fucking soldier who was there what they think. Educate yourself and stop listening to politicians and their media club houses.

You are starting to slip into the irritated mode. I am not a Republican. I voted for Obama in 2008. I have a son who has served 4 tours in Iraq as a combat soldier with the 82 Airborne. All the policies are doing now over there is dragging the problem out longer. And Iraq is not the only place ISIS is active.

[cubby]

New story out from fringe sources copied by The NYT saying Trump is not only NOT a billionaire, but he's essentially $650MM in debt. More to follow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us...debt.html?_r=0