Elizabeth Smart Said Captor's Pornography Addiction Made Her 'Living Hell Worse'

[Wilfire]

Porn is predatory by its nature and is basically designed to be addictive and mess with your psyche. The fact that you are defending it is proof enough.

[Ghostmcghosty]

Porn is predatory by its nature and is basically designed to be addictive and mess with your psyche. The fact that you are defending it is proof enough.

So defending anything means it's addictive and messes with your head and therefore is justification to abolish it?

Great logic

[Wilfire]

So defending anything means it's addictive and messes with your head and therefore is justification to abolish it?

Great logic

There are many reasons to defend something. Sadly it having a corruptive influence on you is also one of them. German policies in early to mid 20th century also were addictive to many people and corrupted their minds. There's a very good reason why they were abolished.

[Mister Cheese]

It's unrelated. I feel bad for her but she shouldn't be using this as a platform to ban pornography. Not all people who watch porn are rapists, but all rapists probably watch porn. There is nothing wrong with pornography. As long as the people in it are consenting adults. And the people watching it moderate and know when to stop.

[Ghostmcghosty]

There are many reasons to defend something. Sadly it having a corruptive influence on you is also one of them. German policies in early to mid 20th century also were addictive to many people and corrupted their minds. There's a very good reason why they were abolished.

You know what? I think you are flat out wrong with the logic. However, I like how you seem reasonable and calm in explaining why you think that way. We don't have to agree, but hot damn do I like your level headedness

[Kronik85]

No. We are saying that this dude was fucked in the head and any implication of porn being the reason for it should be laughed out the room. If it was t porn it would be something else. He'd probably get tips from sadists and shit.

It's good that she thinks the same and that the article never even implies that this happened because of porn then.

"I can't say that he would not have gone out and kidnapped me had he not looked at pornography," she said. "All I know is that pornography made my living hell worse."

[s_bushido]

I don't think she'll get anywhere, but she doesn't need to be vilified and mocked.

When, despite her protests to the contrary, the narrative becomes "porn will turn you into a rapist," I don't think her experience is going to be a very good shield against mockery. You can't appear in a video produced by people desperately trying to convince us that the porn industry is nothing but a diabolical rape-filled, drug-addled, slavery-powered machine and not expect to be linked with their agenda.

[Mistame]

There are many reasons to defend something. Sadly it having a corruptive influence on you is also one of them. German policies in early to mid 20th century also were addictive to many people and corrupted their minds. There's a very good reason why they were abolished.

Godwin's much?

[DeadmanWalking]

When, despite her protests to the contrary, the narrative becomes "porn will turn you into a rapist," I don't think her experience is going to be a very good shield against mockery. You can't appear in a video produced by people desperately trying to convince us that the porn industry is nothing but a diabolical rape-filled, drug-addled, slavery-powered machine and not expect to be linked with their agenda.

She never said that, you are filling in gaps in your mind with what you want to hear. The only thing she says is ->
"I can't say that he would not have gone out and kidnapped me had he not looked at pornography," she said. "All I know is that pornography made my living hell worse."

He was already raping her but when he got his hands on hardcore porn he made her do those things, now consider what the difference between Porn and 'hardcore porn' is. To her this was worse than what he was already doing to her. Beastiality? Scat? Lashings? Mechanical dildo jack hammer machines? Humiliation? Cutting? She doesn't specify what hardcore porn acts she had to relive but she does say it made her life worse.

She never said it makes people into rapists, just that in her case it made her life a nightmare.

[PassingBy]

He was already raping her but when he got his hands on hardcore porn he made her do those things, now consider what the difference between Porn and 'hardcore porn' is. To her this was worse than what he was already doing to her. Beastiality? Scat? Lashings? Mechanical dildo jack hammer machines? Humiliation? Cutting? She doesn't specify what hardcore porn acts she had to relive but she does say it made her life worse.

I might be mistaken, but hardcore porn - is just porn, but graphically more obscene? As opposed to softcore porn, which is less graphic, and doesn't show penetration and stuff?
While bestiality and scat is considered "special interest" porn, rather than hardcore?

And no porn can't turn a person into a rapist, what it can do is provoke a person, that is already fucked up to become one.
As well as alcohol or psychedelic drugs won't turn you into a nutjob (unless you drink yourself into an encephalopathy or alcohol induced psychosis, but you have to really abuse the stuff to do so), while if you are already fucked up, but your disease is dormant - it can be a trigger.
As well as usually people don't go out on the street and start killing people after playing a little counter strike, while some, already fucked up people - can.
As well as usually people don't forget to eat, drink, use toilet or sleep, while playing world of warcraft, but some, already fucked up people - do.

However there is plenty of things that can trigger a fucked up person. It can be porn, it can be drugs, it can be world of warcraft, or it can be seeing a girl wearing the same dress, that his mommy wore, when she did bad things to him.
Fucked up people shall be treated and helped.
Banning the things that trigger the fucked up people can help, but it will be a long fucking list.

[DeadmanWalking]

I might be mistaken, but hardcore porn - is just porn, but graphically more obscene? As opposed to softcore porn, which is less graphic, and doesn't show penetration and stuff?
While bestiality and scat is considered "special interest" porn, rather than hardcore?

And no porn can't turn a person into a rapist, what it can do is provoke a person, that is already fucked up to become one.
As well as alcohol or psychedelic drugs won't turn you into a nutjob (unless you drink yourself into an encephalopathy or alcohol induced psychosis, but you have to really abuse the stuff to do so), while if you are already fucked up, but your disease is dormant - it can be a trigger.
As well as usually people don't go out on the street and start killing people after playing a little counter strike, while some, already fucked up people - can.
As well as usually people don't forget to eat, drink, use toilet or sleep, while playing world of warcraft, but some, already fucked up people - do.

However there is plenty of things that can trigger a fucked up person. It can be porn, it can be drugs, it can be world of warcraft, or it can be seeing a girl wearing the same dress, that his mommy wore, when she did bad things to him.
Fucked up people shall be treated and helped.
Banning the things that trigger the fucked up people can help, but it will be a long fucking list.

In this case what it can do is give a rapist/child molester/kidnapper more goals to achieve.

And lets be serious, they are never going to ban porn. It isn't possible, as was once said on News Radio, "Take it off the internet? Hah, Baby, porn is like pee in a pool, once it is in there... it's in there." And like the prohibition on Alchohol all it would do to ban it is to create a whole new criminal underworld, and dare I say people pursue porn with more intensity than they do alchohol. All prohibition did was exacerbate the problems in our country and give criminals a way to enhance their incomes.

But that doesn't make people who are against porn bad people, the world is filled with good intending people but the reality is porn is the genie that doesn't go back in the bottle.

[Ahovv]

To summarize, an unqualified person formed a hypothesis based on her circumstances and is expressing it as a fact.

Seems irrelevant to me.

[llubtoille]

I doubt very much that it was porn that lead him to kidnap her, as he was probably quite twisted to begin with. But I could see how porn might inspire the actions he took once she was captive.
Same could be said for practically any form of entertainment however, in the hands of someone with that kind of inclination.

[breadisfunny]

FACT: every murderer and Hitler drank water.

COINCIDENCE?!?!?!?!

I think not!

draenei and serial killers eat food. coincidence??? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
this obviously means that all draenei are serial killers.

[Tackhisis]

draenei and serial killers eat food.

It is natural. For a grown-up person to watch other people having sex is not natural, it is perversion, and the whole porn industry is feeding on that perversion.

[Deleted]

Can imagine that people that regularly watch porn have some serious issues.

[breadisfunny]

It is natural. For a grown-up person to watch other people having sex is not natural, it is perversion, and the whole porn industry is feeding on that perversion.

lol the only perversion is draenei porn.

[Deleted]

I would imagine being victim to violent and repeated sexual attacks and rape would massively alter your view of many things that relate to sex and sexuality. I don't think it really gives her opinion any particular weight on the subject, if anything it's even more of a reason to be critical of her claims.

[Kraenen]

lol the only perversion is draenei porn.

aren't blood elves perverted by their lust for magic?

[zenkai]

Sucks she went through shit, but if she is blaming porn then fuck her.

Good thing her captor didn't play violent games I see.

She didn't say Porn, she said porn addiction and that makes sense.

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Not sure why people are having a hard time having the concept that someone with a porn addiction made a sex slaves life worse... It doesn't mean Porn is evil.