Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Spectral]

the point is he isn't cutting taxes for everyone, I never said it was anti-poor or whatever. the tax plan itself sure takes a shit on them but that wasn't the initial point.

This seems like kind of a weird point to me. It cuts taxes for people that pay the specified tax. That's "everyone" for the "everyone" that's relevant to that context.

[Ghostpanther]

the point is he isn't cutting taxes for everyone, I never said it was anti-poor or whatever. the tax plan itself sure takes a shit on them but that wasn't the initial point.

How is he not? And how does his tax cuts take a shit on the poor?

[Blur4stuff]

tax cuts go back into the economy

poor and middle class maybe. anyone who has moderate wealth or higher won't behave the same.

If the wealthy used their excess wealth to stimulate the economy and create jobs for everyone then there would never be a jobs problem. Just stop and consider how much wealth is concentrated right now among a small number of people. If them having extra money solved any problems then why do we even have problems in the first place?

[Ghostpanther]

Is it all over if Hillary gets Florida and Ohio?

I think so. He has to win Fla and Ohio.

[Sky High]

How is he not? And how does his tax cuts take a shit on the poor?

12% marginal tax rate? spare me.

[Ghostpanther]

It's not disagreement so much as Trump and various people on his board have reneged on those positions that you're voting for him on. They say that the time to be very far right was in the primary to win those votes, and now they're going with amnesty for undocumented migrants cause that's what will win them votes in the general.

With respect in asking this, how can you find Hillary twisted when Trump is the one that lies/exaggerates constantly and talks out of both sides of his mouth, goign directly against the issues you say you value?

Lets set aside that I feel she is a crook and should be in jail, let alone be President;

She is not a strong pro 2nd Amendment advocate.
She is not Pro life.
She is not offering tax cuts for everyone who pays them.
She is not for building the military back up.
She is not going to require NATO to pay more for their defense.
She is not for doing away or changing NAFTA better for the US.

Should I go on? There is more. I think you already knew this however.

[Bollocks]

I was kinda hoping he would deport our underpaid illegal labor force that supplies the US with an abundance of food to the point where "pretty" food is worth 500% more then a perfectly good yet misshaped product. But i suppose we can be nice and just let them stay..and work them to the bone...and still get fat off their labor.

This is just misleading. On average the non-supervisory farm worker illegal or not earns around 10.80

[Ghostpanther]

12% marginal tax rate? spare me.

It would still be lower than it is now.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Trump's tax plan: Immense tax cuts for the wealthy (I'd say himself, but we know he's bankrupt cause he won't release his taxes, lol), the poor get to pay like $2 less per year.

And how do we pay for government operations with basically no income from taxes?

Make Mexico pay for it, obviously.

[alexw]

Actually I am going by a news report I read which they interviewed several of those he did visit and talked to. You are the one going by feelings.

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It will help the middle class have more money to spend. They need it.

No it won't. It'll make them poorer overall. Your average middle class citizen pays 16K in taxes and gets 20K in benefits and direct services plus more in public goods (e.g. roads, police protection, etc). So tax cuts which generally benefit the wealthy most of all anyway end up redistributing from the middle class to the wealthy.

Honestly why do you think the middle class is doing so poorly despite decades worth of tax cuts? If what you say is true why hasn't it worked the other hundred times republicans have done it?

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Trump's tax plan: Immense tax cuts for the wealthy (I'd say himself, but we know he's bankrupt cause he won't release his taxes, lol), the poor get to pay like $2 less per year.

And lose $4 in services and benefits. Vote Republican to make yourself poorer!!!

[Ghostpanther]

Without them she can easily win...

I would not say easily. She loses those two states and then she has to win the other swing states...all of them that would be left.

[Sky High]

It would still be lower than it is now.

that depends on how high/low he's going to put that bracket or ANY of them for that matter. which, as far as I know he hasn't said yet.

[Ghostpanther]

poor and middle class maybe. anyone who has moderate wealth or higher won't behave the same.

If the wealthy used their excess wealth to stimulate the economy and create jobs for everyone then there would never be a jobs problem. Just stop and consider how much wealth is concentrated right now among a small number of people. If them having extra money solved any problems then why do we even have problems in the first place?

You do know the middle class working families represent a very large part of the tax paying base? That is a lot of money which can help the economy. But not saying it is the only thing which needs to be done.

[alexw]

I guess I'm not sure what your point is then. Trump does propose cutting taxes for people that pay income taxes. I don't particularly think this is a good idea, but it's not some crazy anti-poor notion.

Actually it is anti-poor. The poor receive far more from the government than they pay in in taxes (so do the middle class but to a less extent). If Trump cuts taxation that has to be matched by spending cuts. So lets say Trump cuts their taxes by $1 a week. Well if they lose $5 a week in services and benefits then they are much worse off than they were. This is why the rich love tax cuts. Its a transfer from Mr and Mrs average and the poor to them.

[Blur4stuff]

Lets set aside that I feel she is a crook and should be in jail, let alone be President;

She is not a strong pro 2nd Amendment advocate.
She is not Pro life.
She is not offering tax cuts for everyone who pays them.
She is not for building the military back up.
She is not going to require NATO to pay more for their defense.
She is not for doing away or changing NAFTA better for the US.

Should I go on? There is more. I think you already knew this however.

I'm not a Hillary fan either, but before we even discuss what's wrong with her we can't get pass how much worse Trump is. The argument is really over at that point. But, anyways...

Hillary isn't going to do anything significant about guns. Gun nuts have been screaming nonsense for the past 8 years with Obama and nothing has happened. When will people learn?

Making abortion illegal is the least effective way to reduce the number of abortions.

Tax cuts for middle class and under are all that really matter.

The military doesn't need to get bigger.

We pay more into NATO because we are significantly bigger. If a bigger guy is gonna defend the local nerd from bullies then obviously he's putting more skin in the game. But, It would be fine with me if others contributing a bit more, just not equal percentages.

Opposing globalization at this point is like pretending 8-tracks will come back.

[Spectral]

Actually it is anti-poor. The poor receive far more from the government than they pay in in taxes (so do the middle class but to a less extent). If Trump cuts taxation that has to be matched by spending cuts. So lets say Trump cuts their taxes by $1 a week. Well if they lose $5 a week in services and benefits then they are much worse off than they were. This is why the rich love tax cuts. Its a transfer from Mr and Mrs average and the poor to them.

Advocating less of a transfer from the wealth to the poor is empathetically not a transfer from the poor to the wealthy. Claiming that it is is a complete inversion of any normal understanding of property rights. I guess you could make some sort of argument that taking less from the wealthy is "anti-poor", but I'm skeptical of the claim there; it's at least closer to right, but still plays fast and loose with any intuitive understanding of how transfers work; this relies starting point being that the transferred money from fiscal year X is owed in equal percentages to the party receiving transfers in year X+1.

Again, this isn't a commentary on whether such a policy change is a good idea, I'm just irritated by the rhetoric. A tax cut will inherently be more of a financial gain for the people that actually pay significant amounts of taxes. This is pretty obvious on its face.

[Orbitus]

The latest polls has Trump leading Clinton.

And it isn't even fall yet.

Who's ass did you pull this out of?

[Fahrenheit]

You do know the middle class working families represent a very large part of the tax paying base? That is a lot of money which can help the economy. But not saying it the only thing which needs to be done.

Paid for how? He has no plans to cut Medicare or Medicade or SS. He also wants to build a border wall, he flip flopping now but wants to deport possibly millions of people, and wants to "rebuild" our military.
Having more money in lower and middle income families pockets will in fact have a positive economic impact but not enough to make up for the severe cut in tax receipts with NO serious cuts proposed and some increases to expenditures.
Its like Reagan voodoo economics. Except back then it was blunted a bit because he also hugely cut taxes for the poor. The poor don't pay taxes anymore so there will be no economic boost from them having extra income this time around.

[Ghostpanther]

that depends on how high/low he's going to put that bracket or ANY of them for that matter. which, as far as I know he hasn't said yet.

Well, you are correct. I have not seen the income brackets for each % ether. But I can safely assume that if you are making less then 6 figures a year as a couple, you will be paying 12% tax rate. Middle class family. On taxable income that is. He is also offering a couple to be able to deduct all their child care costs for more tax savings.

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I'm not a Hillary fan either, but before we even discuss what's wrong with her we can't get pass how much worse Trump is. The argument is really over at that point. But, anyways...

Hillary isn't going to do anything significant about guns. Gun nuts have been screaming nonsense for the past 8 years with Obama and nothing has happened. When will people learn?

Making abortion illegal is the least effective way to reduce the number of abortions.

Tax cuts for middle class and under are all that really matter.

The military doesn't need to get bigger.

We pay more into NATO because we are significantly bigger. If a bigger guy is gonna defend the local nerd from bullies then obviously he's putting more skin in the game. But, It would be fine with me if others contributing a bit more, just not equal percentages.

Opposing globalization at this point is like pretending 8-tracks will come back.

For you. And we disagree on some fundamental things it appears. Which is fine. Vote for whom you feel would be the best.

[Spectral]

i'm thinking of voting for trump just to piss off my liberal friends

Maybe we're from different places, but where I'm from, doing something just to piss of your friends is generally referred to as "being a dick".