Theodore Beale on the 2016 Hugo's “we have the SF-SJW’s exactly where we want them.”

[Milchshake]

After women authors swept all of the fiction categories in this years Hugo's.

After his entire rapid puppy slate lost, Dark Lord Vox Day Theodore Beale replied "we have the SWJ's exactly where we want them."

I'm glad to see the Fifth Season won. It was my favorite sci-fi read of the year.

And for all the buckaroos out there, dont feel bad for Chuck. He has a new tingler on the way, Pounded in the Butt by my Hugo Loss.

[Spectral]

I don't really know enough about Sci-Fi to speak to any award-specific conversation, but it does seem improbable that all awards would be swept by women purely on merit if we assume that men and women are exactly equal at writing Sci-Fi. That's... well, it's improbable. Maybe there was an initiative to push women this year or something. Obviously I'm not in the loop.

That aside, Vox Day is a douche.

[Wells]

I don't really know enough about Sci-Fi to speak to any award-specific conversation, but it does seem improbable that all awards would be swept by women purely on merit if we assume that men and women are exactly equal at writing Sci-Fi. That's... well, it's improbably. Maybe there was an initiative to push women this year or something. Obviously I'm not in the loop.

That aside, Vox Day is a douche.

There was probably a mix of coincidence and some slate voting, but when Teddy is the guy trying to make a thing out of the voting he hardly has any room to declare victory or issue complaint when people move against that.

That said he's a champion of moving the goal posts after he loses.

[nextormento]

It's been pretty uneventful this year.

[Blur4stuff]

I thought it was common knowledge that awards (not just these) are handed out based on agendas more than merit. Either a social agenda is being pushed or corruption from money.

[PC2]

But were the woman mostly LGBT, African, Muslim, or disabled? I bet they could get more diverse.

[Saucexorzski]

Never cared about awards, read what you like. Who else is looking forward to Nov 1? Shadow of Victory /drool

[Milchshake]

There was probably a mix of coincidence and some slate voting, but when Teddy is the guy trying to make a thing out of the voting he hardly has any room to declare victory or issue complaint when people move against that.

That said he's a champion of moving the goal posts after he loses.

Well maybe the women are out there writing stories, while the guys have decided to focus on writing in blogs and message boards. All that wasted literary potential.

Consider G. R.R. Martin, his output of great fiction really fell of a cliff since he started his Not A Blog. Though its a great resource for all those Jets and Giants fans.

[Saucexorzski]

Seriously not enough Honor Harrington fans on these boards

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A lot of the really excellent stuff I've read in the past couple years has come from women authors. Not exclusively, but the ratio seems pretty even, to the extent that this doesn't exactly scream out as impossible through their own merit.

Even looking at the list of the runners-up; http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-hi...6-hugo-awards/

I can think of what were, in my opinion, better titles than at least one on that list (the one I've read was Butcher's Aeronaut's Windlass, though Seveneves is on my bookshelf waiting for me to have time, and the Ancillary series is on my get-around-to list). I'll list 'em here, just in case people are looking for stuff to read;

The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet, Becky Chambers
A Darker Shade of Magic, V. E. Schwab
The Library at Mount Char, Scott Hawkins

All something I'd say are "better" than Butcher's latest series. Which is saying something, since I'm a pretty big Butcher fan; the Cinder Spires has some interesting ideas and characters, but it's not really groundbreaking in any particular way. The above three all tread some moderately new ground in interesting and engaging ways. And I'll note two of those are female authors, too; there are a lot of great female authors working in SF these days.

Seriously not enough Honor Harrington fans on these boards

I'm a pretty big fan, but I'm not sure how it's relevant, since the 2016 Hugos require a book to be released in 2015, and so far as I (and Wikipedia, since I checked to be sure) the last Honor book published was A Rising Thunder in 2012. There was a spinoff series that had a book released in 2015, but it's not really a core Honor Harrington story and doesn't focus on her at all.

But it's pretty standard military/political sci-fi. They sell well, but the allegory is distractingly thick at times, particularly early on in the series. Not nearly as badly as Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series, which quickly devolved into propagandist garbage.

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I heard if awards aren't diverse it means there's sexism/racism at play, so I fully expect feminists to fight for equality in this sexist issue.

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I don't really know enough about Sci-Fi to speak to any award-specific conversation, but it does seem improbable that all awards would be swept by women purely on merit if we assume that men and women are exactly equal at writing Sci-Fi. That's... well, it's improbable. Maybe there was an initiative to push women this year or something. Obviously I'm not in the loop.

That aside, Vox Day is a douche.

The only male nominees were those with extremely conservative and right-wing writing. Which was bad. Therefore, the women won. So yea, the playing field wasn't level since boys really wanted to make sure that the guy winning would be a Stone Age standard-bearer. Turns out cave men can't write to save their lives so the boys' plan backfired royally

[Masark]

Seriously not enough Honor Harrington fans on these boards

*waves*

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[Saucexorzski]

A lot of the really excellent stuff I've read in the past couple years has come from women authors. Not exclusively, but the ratio seems pretty even, to the extent that this doesn't exactly scream out as impossible through their own merit.

Even looking at the list of the runners-up; http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-hi...6-hugo-awards/

I can think of what were, in my opinion, better titles than at least one on that list (the one I've read was Butcher's Aeronaut's Windlass, though Seveneves is on my bookshelf waiting for me to have time, and the Ancillary series is on my get-around-to list). I'll list 'em here, just in case people are looking for stuff to read;

The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet, Becky Chambers
A Darker Shade of Magic, V. E. Schwab
The Library at Mount Char, Scott Hawkins

All something I'd say are "better" than Butcher's latest series. Which is saying something, since I'm a pretty big Butcher fan; the Cinder Spires has some interesting ideas and characters, but it's not really groundbreaking in any particular way. The above three all tread some moderately new ground in interesting and engaging ways. And I'll note two of those are female authors, too; there are a lot of great female authors working in SF these days.



I'm a pretty big fan, but I'm not sure how it's relevant, since the 2016 Hugos require a book to be released in 2015, and so far as I (and Wikipedia, since I checked to be sure) the last Honor book published was A Rising Thunder in 2012. There was a spinoff series that had a book released in 2015, but it's not really a core Honor Harrington story and doesn't focus on her at all.

But it's pretty standard military/political sci-fi. They sell well, but the allegory is distractingly thick at times, particularly early on in the series. Not nearly as badly as Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series, which quickly devolved into propagandist garbage.

This tends to be what attracts readers to ones stories... I happen to find Weber brilliant and you can see how his touch is reflect in his joint works with other authors as well as his other series. Ill agree with you on Goodkind though, while i loved SoT when i was a teenager, i can not stand any but WFR these days..just way to political and not enough story.

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*waves*

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Yay! the more the better!

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This tends to be what attracts readers to ones stories... I happen to find Weber brilliant and you can see how his touch is reflect in his joint works with other authors as well as his other series.

It's not even that my political views are probably different in some ways from Weber's; it's that Haven is so blatantly based on a weird socialist allegory for post-Revolution France (weird in that he removes most of the historical justification to what happened, to seemingly just say SOCIALISM BAD, a stance he admittedly mellows on later when they go through their revolution). To the extent that the capital is "Nouveau Paris". And their leader is Rob S. Pierre.

Like, that's not even pretending to be subtle. Pulled me out of the story every damn time because it was so blatant.

I do think Weber's a decent author, and the Harrington stories definitely improve over time. But a big problem regarding the Hugos specifically is that they're SO interconnected that some of that worldbuilding and interconnective writing (which IS good) can't really be considered, since the Hugos focus on single novels or collections.

[ringpriest]

Seriously not enough Honor Harrington fans on these boards

The Honorverse was fun, but its pretty obvious that Weber has both lost interest in that setting (he's gone to GRRM levels of output for HH) and become a victim of the dread Brain Eater (i.e. he's so successful that he thinks he no longer needs an editor, and no one is willing/able to force him to listen to one); that he bailed on his original planned arc for the Honorverse and is now trying to re-jigger his timeline (and failing) doesn't really help, and neither does Baen shoehorning in some of its other authors from its mil-sf stable (Cauldron of Ghosts could more accurately have been titled Cauldron of Room-Temperature Feces In Book Form - if I'd paid for it (instead of borrowing) I would have demanded a refund, because it was unusable for its intended purpose of being read).

If you want some really good old mil-sf, go dig up Robert Frezza (the serious books, not the space-opera comedies, which are funny, but not quite in the same range as his mil-sf), or Lois McMaster Bujold, whose writing blows Weber out of the ballpark on every axis save describing tightly-fought starship combat (and he doesn't even do that often anymore).

[Ghostmcghosty]

Eh, if it was all men I would assume it was merit and deserved. Shit happens like that sometimes.

I'm not an SJW feminist so I am not gonna make a stink over this and demand a quota of at least 30% male award recipients. That would be gay.

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I heard if awards aren't diverse it means there's sexism/racism at play, so I fully expect feminists to fight for equality in this sexist issue.

They will not at all, and everyone knows this.