Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

**Breccia** · 2016-08-22, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Ghostpanther

You did not watch the FBI's testimony before Congress? If you did and still feel that she did not, then we have nothing to discuss.

When the head of the FBI says over 20 agents were on the case and they all agreed charges shouldn't be filed, then what? If the appropriate branch of law enforcement undergoes, let's face it, a pretty in-depth inquiry, and they come up with nothing they think will stand up in court, then what? Is she still a crook because your experience trumps the head of the FBI? Or is she still a crook because you don't like the way it turned out? Because neither are valid arguments here.

Or perhaps you're suggesting she's guilty because there was an investigation at all? If so, I'll remind you that only Trump, and not Clinton, is under current legal investigation. He's being sued several dozen times, he's under 8 years of federal audit, and the Trump U thing which is no longer just about fraud, but also bribing DA's in multiple states.

Or perhaps you're suggesting that she's more likely to be guilty, than not. In other words, you're suggesting that she'd have lost if it was a civil case? In that case, I'd like you to guess how many times Trump has been sued, and lost.

Go ahead. Take your time.

It's 38. And he's settled hundreds before he lost. Hundreds.

I'm going to list a few results of cases he lost. Remember, there are literally dozens more.
-- he discriminated against African-American renters. In 1973, his business was taken to court by the Justice Department for discrimination based on race. They won. Trump countersued, and lost.
-- in 1988, he was brought before a federal court and ordered to pay $750,000 for violating anti-monopoly laws for buying stock in a company related to a hostile takeover. I'll grant you I have no idea what specifically went on, but he was sued by the feds and lost.
-- in 1986, Trump and a jewelry store conspired to avoid sales tax and he got caught. Trump turned testimony on other defendants in a deal to avoid stiffer legal penalties.
-- in 1991, a federal district court found that Trump willfully both hired illegal immigrants, then didn't pay them. He appealed, then settled before the case was re-tried.
-- also in 1991 one of Trump's casinos was successfully sued for making chips they'd never use.
-- also also in 1991 (good year) Trump Plaza paid $450,000 to the state gaming commission for giving expensive cars to a friend of Paul Gotti (yes, that Paul Gotti) worth over a million dollars.
-- in 2000 he was dragged to court and lost, ordered to pay fines for illegally lobbying against a competing casino.
-- in 2001 the feds brought Trump's businesses before court again, accused of lying about their 1999 earnings. Trump Hotels agreed to fix the report and claimed the person who made the "mistake" was fired.
-- in 2006 Trump was dragged before court for flying an oversized flag in Palm Beach. Trump countersued for $25 million for violating his First Amendment rights. He lost, and was ordered to pay $100,000 to charity.
-- in 2012, Trump bought a golf course and hired a painter for renovations, signing a contract to pay $200,000 Trump decided not to pay the last sixth of it, despite a contract to do exactly that (he seems to do this a lot, actually). They sued, and won. Near as I can tell Trump still has not paid the legally owed amount, nearly $300,000 for stiffing a bill worth about a tenth of that.

He hasn't had a lot of luck suing people, either. He's sued multiple times for people executing their First Amendment rights, by claiming Trump isn't worth what he says, while citing evidence -- while Trump has been forced to admit, under oath, his own stated value of his business is based on his feelings. Yeah. Let that sink in. Trump sued because people with evidence hurt his feelings. He's also sued a bank for $3 billion, you read that right billion with a b, for trying to collect on a loan that Trump signed. Of course he lost that too.

Plus, multiple bankruptcies. Trump has had to go to court, multiple times, to admit he could not pay debts he legally owed.

Plus, multiple divorces. I'm fairly sure cheating on your first wife, and being taken to the cleaners, isn't breaking a law per se, but it's hillarious and I wanted to mention it. (The GOP is all about family values!)

Now let's recap: You've called Hilary Clinton a crook, and want instead to support someone who, in a court of law, has discriminated against African-Americans, hired illegal immigrants, didn't pay workers he was contractually obligated to, broke anti-trust laws, violated gaming laws, violated lobbying laws, bribed the mafia, lied about his earnings, cheated on his taxes, and for drastically misunderstanding both the First Amendment of a Constitution he claims to understand and the zoning laws of a town he built a resort in while priding himself as a builder.

None of the above results are ongoing or under further appeal -- the results are final.

Pick another reason to vote against Clinton. "She's a crook and he's not" is exactly the opposite of what you can prove to be true.
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EDIT: Oh, you did.

Originally Posted by Ghostpanther

Lets set aside that I feel she is a crook and should be in jail, let alone be President;

She is not a strong pro 2nd Amendment advocate.
She is not Pro life.
She is not offering tax cuts for everyone who pays them.
She is not for building the military back up.
She is not going to require NATO to pay more for their defense.
She is not for doing away or changing NAFTA better for the US.

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I'll grant you that a gun nut probably doesn't like her stance on what I'd call common-sense gun control, and pro-life (aka "religion") can be a make or break. I disagree, but I understand. But...you want to expand the military, and make NATO pay for it? Isn't that like making a wall to Mexico and then forcing OH SHIT right, he said that too. Also, didn't the $4 billion 100% optional Iraq war get criticized by your candidate? Wasn't he opposed to it from the very start? Oh wait, no, he wasn't. But didn't he claim he was? Didn't he bring up the cost as a reason he was against it? And now you expect him to spend more money on the military...with no reason at all? Is he afraid of Russia? He's best buds with Russia. Russia even put someone on his campaign in full fucking daylight.

And of course she's not the one offering tax cuts to everyone...while dramatically increasing spending while damaging trade relations with Mexico and China, two of our biggest trade partners. (The EU's not fond of him, either. You know he sued Scotland, right? Not some people in Scotland. Literally, the country) That's the kind of business model that gets you bankrupt. Something you'd think Trump would know by now.

Now granted, Trump's lawsuits are not always against him. There was that one time Miss Pennsylvania called his beauty pageant "rigged" and he sued her and won. I guess claiming a competition like that rigged without proof is...wait, didn't Trump call the federal election rigged? Without proof? Fuck it, I'm upping the number to 39 pre-emptively.

**Merkava** · 2016-08-22, 04:45 AM