Is your guild switching to discord?

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A total of 5 or 6 hours of downtime in our experience of 11 months, not much different than the average TS3/Vent/Mumble host.

The difference is that when you pay/host it yourself you can do something about it.

I use discord for the text chat and speaking to a couple of friends but seriously join urls as a huge pro for guilds?
We have our TS info ingame and on our homepage, I've had to type it in maybe twice since I joined the guild 3 years ago.

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According to this Mumble has the lowest latency.

In practice it matters what server you use. Where are the discord's servers and are they close to your guild? That a more important question than what is the latency on 0 network lag conditions because in that case I doubt there are major differences. e.g. TeamSpeak may become the best if you lower the encoding quality, or Mumble might get worse if you turn on all the optional features. But if the server is like right next to the people it will beat on any settings any server anyway that is on another country or continent.

[miffy23]

In practice it matters what server you use. Where are the discord's servers and are they close to your guild? That a more important question than what is the latency on 0 network lag conditions because in that case I doubt there are major differences. e.g. TeamSpeak may become the best if you lower the encoding quality, or Mumble might get worse if you turn on all the optional features. But if the server is like right next to the people it will beat on any settings any server anyway that is on another country or continent.

Thing is you can switch Discord servers on the fly.

Latency is no issue at all for raiding with any of the mentioned services, as you say there are no major discrepancies. 20 or 80ms make absolutely no difference for communication in a setting that can tolerate up to 250ms (ingame latency).

[Ealyssa]

Oh right, like seperate key bind to talk to specific people. That's kinda toxic though tbh.

Yeah sure, officers taking fast decision during raid by voice instead of having to write is toxic

[Deleted]

20 or 80ms make absolutely no difference

I don't agree. If it momentarily goes 200 ms for example it can become lame. It's also a quality of communication issue in the sense people sound unnatural on high delays even if the game can technically be slower than them.

[miffy23]

I don't agree. If it momentarily goes 200 ms for example it can become lame. It's also a quality of communication issue in the sense people sound unnatural on high delays even if the game can technically be slower than them.

I can only speak for TS3 and Discord, I haven't used Mumble or Ventrilo in ages. In the case of the first two, I haven't noticed any kind of discrepancy, spikes or issues at all over the past few years. So I think it's a fairly neglible issue.

[Deleted]

The difference is that when you pay/host it yourself you can do something about it.

At which point you should be weighing risks. Do you have a cluster for your TS server? If not, that's a single point of failure if it chooses to go kaput.
Can your TS host cope with a DDOS or a breach? Can their ISPs cope with DDOS?
With Discord, my biggest fear is breach. They already have a sizey, juicy database of users.

The pros?
Self-hosted, you get to see the 362 days uptime counter. You configured that box, you know exactly what's on it and how well it's secured.
MSP, you loose the responsibility of managing the server. Depending on the host, they might be sizey enough to have multiple ISPs for load balancing and DOS mitigation, or small enough for low prices. You still get to have a say in how the server works, but it's much more basic.
Cloud, you get the service and nothing but the service. You can be relatively sure there will be no DDOS attacks interfering with your chats, since those providers have so many different datacenters and ISPs around the world.

[AbalDarkwind]

That's very odd, out of 30ish raiders none have had any serious issues like that at all in my case.

A few friends of mine outside of WoW, who use it exclusively to play Overwatch, have said the same thing. However, after doing some research, my issues weren't isolated. It might be a regional issue, as fellow Florida players and a couple of Texans have expressed issues with it, but, other than that, who knows what else could be causing those issues.

[miffy23]

A few friends of mine outside of WoW, who use it exclusively to play Overwatch, have said the same thing. However, after doing some research, my issues weren't isolated. It might be a regional issue, as fellow Florida players and a couple of Texans have expressed issues with it, but, other than that, who knows what else could be causing those issues.

It must be due to regional issues with their network. It bears mentioning that all of my people are EU - almost everyone I know on EU used Discord by now.

[shonist]

of course, and if it becomes paid, i would buy it.

Discord its the best VOIP by now. Channel permissions, servers, individual calls, regions (we use BR and have 30ms wich its totally amazing). You dont have to host, make a group, nothing, you can have a lot of groups to join channels, you can make various chat channel (outside of voice channel). and if u want to do skype... you call your mate individually.

even the "add friend" its quicker than skype lol.

im in charm with discord. has everything that we need.

btw: i cringe too when ppl invite you to vent... holy shiet. that sucks a lot lot lot lot.

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I don't agree. If it momentarily goes 200 ms for example it can become lame. It's also a quality of communication issue in the sense people sound unnatural on high delays even if the game can technically be slower than them.

have you tied it? isnt lame, and there is no diffrence.

Here in argentina, we used to host on BR servers. wich we have 30ms. but sometime went it have problems, we change to USA (200-220MS) and we forget about it. we dont even notice it. sometimes we realize that we are at USA sv 1 week later. lol

we also tested it with ppl on different networks on the same house. its almost instant the voice travel. no way you can choose mumble or another shitty voip just for nothing. only to see "low latency".

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We swaped a few months ago. No problems so far. I guess one have legit reason to be concerned, but the again it's free so I cba think too much into it.

[shonist]

We use Discord in our guild for off-raid chatting/info, been using since January. But we still use TS3 for voice because Discord lacks a function that we use a lot, which is the voice channel specific chat rooms.

We usually post a lot of raid related stuff in our TS, spreadsheets etc., and we don't want those to flood existing Discord channels, plus people would have to scroll up the Discord list to see chat channels currently. Another thing is the "Who leaves/joins" that TS3 has, it's incredibly annoying to try and figure out who disconnected mid-raid fight when there is no solid "User XYZ disconnected" message like in TS3.

you can make anothers chat channels, if you have voice channel raid 1. Make a chat channel raid 1 and ppl should check that when raiding, so they dont flood another chat channels.

i use the game overlay to see who is joining/leaving. but idk, some ppl may not like that feature.

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Quality of sound is going to be low in gaming anyway. That's not what matters the most. It the latency. Last time I heard TS was slightly better than Mumble at that. I wouldn't easily believe that this has better latency than them, especially in some regions, considering the server might not be suitable.

cant understand how can you compare latency on TS... you can join different type of hosts, if u join my self-hosted TS you will have 300ms fo sho.

Discord has a bitrate slider in settings.

[miffy23]

I thought Discord was FoTM 6 months ago then everyone jumped to the Curse Client.

Tried it, really disliked it. Can't remember exactly why tbh.

[RoKPaNda]

Nope. To be honest my casual guild mostly uses skype for our small group content. When we put together raids we use whatever is available, it honestly doesn't make much difference. When I join a pug raid, I use whatever the leader is using. It honestly doesn't make any difference to me whether it's mumble, vent, TS, whatever. They all work just fine. If you're playing some sort of competitive game it might make a difference, but for WoW? Not really.

[Deleted]

Well, I run a not so casual guild, and while i have used discord for a couple things the difference performance wise from them in my experience has been more or less the same, neither my ts or discord has dropped, the quality seems similar, however ts has features that discord cannot boast about, i can do more in my TS server for my guild members convenience moreso than i can in discord, the only thing I see discord being good for is for those groups who don't want to pay for the service.

[miffy23]

Well, I run a not so casual guild, and while i have used discord for a couple things the difference performance wise from them in my experience has been more or less the same, neither my ts or discord has dropped, the quality seems similar, however ts has features that discord cannot boast about, i can do more in my TS server for my guild members convenience moreso than i can in discord, the only thing I see discord being good for is for those groups who don't want to pay for the service.

Like what though? I've had a TS server for years prior to Discord, I can't think of any function off the top of my head that i'm missing.

[durrtygoodz]

Yeah sure, officers taking fast decision during raid by voice instead of having to write is toxic

Yeah having an officer channel is hard. But that wasn't what I was referring to and you know it. /pathead

[Tziva]

Tried it, really disliked it. Can't remember exactly why tbh.

Curse voice was lacking a shitton of options until the new launch recently. It also lacked the ability to disable its overlays for a long time, which made me crazy since I hate those. So, yeah, basically, it had a lot of reasons to really dislike it before.

I have only used the text chat since the relaunch, so I'm not going to vouch for it -- I'm having my guild test right now it out to see if anyone can find anything that might be an issue in raiding -- but I will concede that a lot of the things it desperately needed before but did not have are now in the client and it seems to be working pretty well.

Anyway, thread is about Discord, so I'm done with my derail.

[Ergar]

We're still using teamspeak. I prefer discord, but TS is alright i quess.

[Deleted]

We swapped from mumble to discord a while back and I think it is a lot handier than mumble at least. It has the same functionality minus the whisper binds. The ability to link pictures and videos into the client and have them pop up without needing to click the link is very nice. It's minimal effort for those lazy raiders. It basically like having a forum and VoIP in one.

Sometimes it starts lagging/distorting but swap out the server your connected to (ie London to France) and it will be ok. It had a lot of teething issues in the begging but they are ironing out and adding new features all the time. I expect the whisper bind soon.

Imo if you aren't gonna use the extra text channels fully stick to ts. I prefer discord as it is more athstetically pleasing and you can do everything in 1 app (not having to use Bnet for Dms). Plus class discords ftw!