1 Legion in all realities? CONFUSING!

[raionyx]

Or you can assume that everything that has happened up until the point where we journey back in time is the only, true timeline, and our interference in the "alternate" past, creates a branch from that point where new events occur. There are two Velens because we have traveled back to a point in time where we are meeting Velen as he was at that point in time. There is only one Archimonde and one Kil'jaeden because we are not traveling to a point in time on Draenor when they existed there. Their time-shifted counterparts are still active in the Twisting Nether, just as they were at that point in time the first time these events occurred.

Think about it like watching a whole movie, then rewinding about half way and re-recording over the other half of the movie. The entire first half of the movie plays as usual, up to the point you've re-recorded, then whatever you added on plays instead.

[un_known]

to quote prince melchezar from karazhan "all realities! all dimensions are open to me!"

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kind of. the legion continually shatters these timelines and destroys them. so most of them dont last long

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so how does your head canon wrap its head around gul'dan? considering hes the same one from wod

But realities don't just plop into existance. They've been there from the beginning of time, just that what happened in them transpired differently. Some times very differently.

Illidan's soul is tethered to the Nether and so is the player Demon Hunter's soul. Does that mean that in all realities, there's just one Illidan because of this?

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Actually, if there is only one Legion, and infinite realities, then the Legion cannot possibly win.

Not when our Azeroth seems to be the Prime Time. It's the exact same thing as DC Comics, there is one Earth that supports the entire multiverse.

[Stockers]

what's the problem? legion can do whatever they want with other universes, we still have a thing that BL really want, so they are forced to invade us.
and the point on bronze dragons? their work is to mantain unchanged our timeline and infinites want fuck up our timeline, changing our history.
meanwhile AU is another universe, indipendent from our. changing its timeline changes its history, not our.

and i never will understand the complains about archies and kil'jaedens, until they aren't demons they are separate, when accept the gift, PLOP! merged together.
isnt so difficult to imagine...

yeah your explanation just clears it all up... PLOP.

[Deleted]

Or you can assume that everything that has happened up until the point where we journey back in time is the only, true timeline, and our interference in the "alternate" past, creates a branch from that point where new events occur. There are two Velens because we have traveled back to a point in time where we are meeting Velen as he was at that point in time. There is only one Archimonde and one Kil'jaeden because we are not traveling to a point in time on Draenor when they existed there. Their time-shifted counterparts are still active in the Twisting Nether, just as they were at that point in time the first time these events occurred.

Think about it like watching a whole movie, then rewinding about half way and re-recording over the other half of the movie. The entire first half of the movie plays as usual, up to the point you've re-recorded, then whatever you added on plays instead.

But that doesnt work if there's only 1 Burning Legion. For that to work, there'd have to be a multitude of Archimondes and Kiljaedens working for the Legion, but there aren't. There's 1 Archimonde and 1 Kiljaeden.
Or rather, was, one of them is permadead. Which is even more confusing, since if there's more than one reality there'd be more than one of each and thus we could never really permakill any of them... Yet we have.

[huth]

Or you can assume that everything that has happened up until the point where we journey back in time is the only, true timeline, and our interference in the "alternate" past, creates a branch from that point where new events occur.

It was explicitly said that the alternate timeline of WoD was already different when Garrosh arrived. For starters, he was never born in that one, and Ner'zhul's wife wasn't dead.

I think "prime timeline" just means "the one the titans preferred", not that it is actually special in and of itself.

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It was explicitly said that the alternate timeline of WoD was already different when Garrosh arrived. For starters, he was never born in that one, and Ner'zhul's wife wasn't dead.

But there is also the King Blackmoore timeline, the Infinites killed Thrall and gave Blackmoore the tools he needed to conquer Lordaeron.

Again, DC Comics, Flashpoint and Multiverse. Flashpoint changed Prime Earth history but it didn't created a new Earth. That's why Brainiac collected cities from different timelines and multiverses and how Pre-Flashpoint Superman managed to reappear in the comics and retake his mantle as The Superman.

[Hablion]

The Act of Connecting Draenor to our world caused it Disjoint with the timeline it was suppose to have even with the Iron Horde. The Dark Portal event of Draenor forced it off of its own alternate timeline and caused it to collide with ours since once you make a link the link is always there even if it is severed. Even the Infinite Dragon Flight does not like this sort of thing happen thus this is why they seem to do it more Subtle as not to cause this sort of even but still influence the series of events.

[Nurvus]

Someone please help me clear this mess up!

So, according to WoD there's only 1 Burning Legion. They are one and the same in all realities, yes? Doesn't that mean that they can freely manipulate all timelines and outcomes in their own favor?

I thought the Bronze Dragons were all about keeping things happening properly. But if the BL is just one in all realities, the Bronze dragons can't really do shit about it. Which really, really trivializes what the Infinite dragons are trying to do. What's the point of manipulating 1 timeline and 1 alone, if the entirety of existance and all realities are still getting fucked up by ONE SINGLE BURNING LEGION?

Is our timeline, our reality, the only one that matters? Did nobody else do better than us?

I don't think the Burning Legion messes with timelines.

Although with that in mind, it means WoD Legion either:
a) was the Legion from the past, which might have some crazy implications.
b) was the present legion and somehow managed to go to the past - perhaps by taking advantage of Kairoz.

Since "Past AU" Gul'dan went into "Present MU" all the while being guided by Kil'jaeden, then either
a) Blizzard overlooked the hell out of that
b) I'm wrong and Burning Legion actually does transcend time? That'd make no sense... So much stuff would make no sense if that was true.

My conclusion:
Blizzard fucked up big time messing with time AND alternate realities SIMULTANEOUSLY in a story where an enemy transcends realities...

[Deleted]

I don't think the Burning Legion messes with timelines.

Although with that in mind, it means WoD Legion either:
a) was the Legion from the past, which might have some crazy implications.
b) was the present legion and somehow managed to go to the past - perhaps by taking advantage of Kairoz.

It was present Legion.

Once again, DC Comics. Apokolis invaded Earth 2 at the same time Darkseid attacked Prime Earth. Five years later, Darkseid attacked Earth 2 and consumed it and then attacked again Prime Earth (and was killed by Anti-Monitor).

Confusing? Yes, but easy to understand if one follows the "timeline" of the invader.

[huth]

But that doesnt work if there's only 1 Burning Legion. For that to work, there'd have to be a multitude of Archimondes and Kiljaedens working for the Legion, but there aren't. There's 1 Archimonde and 1 Kiljaeden.
Or rather, was, one of them is permadead. Which is even more confusing, since if there's more than one reality there'd be more than one of each and thus we could never really permakill any of them... Yet we have.

No, you'd just have a lot of very similar demons that happen to all have the same name. You wouldn't consider a person "not dead" because his twin is still alive, would you? There'd also only be a finite amount of them in the Legion since there's only so many people you can have in an organisation before communications overhead makes it impossible to actually accomplish anything.

[Immitis]

I don't think the Burning Legion messes with timelines.

Although with that in mind, it means WoD Legion either:
a) was the Legion from the past, which might have some crazy implications.
b) was the present legion and somehow managed to go to the past - perhaps by taking advantage of Kairoz.

the twisting nether time is fluid. alleria and turalyon have been there for 1000 years despite it being around 25 since they left and from the short time since we saw them in tbc theyve developed all of this new technology

we dont even know how long gul'dan has had time to plan and its been less than a year for us since hfc

but yes, they do mess with alternate realities. they shatter them. no life can exist at all in the multiverse for sargeras plan to work

[deviantcultist]

WoD is not time travel or another reality. It was clearly compared to the timeless isle. In other words, it is a temporal replication of something that exists somewhere in the present. Therefore, there are two Draenors as of now.

The Legion is based on the Nether, which is shared among all worlds. Therefore, they can travel everywhere they can as long as the Nether allows it.

I was a bit confused too, but now I get the bigger picture after considering what Blizz said about WoD not being a time travel expansion and having the original Archi as a boss fight.

[raionyx]

But that doesnt work if there's only 1 Burning Legion. For that to work, there'd have to be a multitude of Archimondes and Kiljaedens working for the Legion, but there aren't. There's 1 Archimonde and 1 Kiljaeden.
Or rather, was, one of them is permadead. Which is even more confusing, since if there's more than one reality there'd be more than one of each and thus we could never really permakill any of them... Yet we have.

Unless there's only actually one and killing him sends his disembodied spirit back to the nether until he can be resummoned again in a physical body? Perhaps we can assume that the death of any demon outside the Nether results in something like a ghost that just waits in the Twisting Nether without being able to do anything? Theory for me is that joining the Legion (specifically) binds you this way to the Nether, such that you can reappear whenever you're summoned, despite there being alternate realities? THe Nether itself would function as a sort of staging ground into multiple realities and have its own separate timeline that remains constant, or at least aligned with our MU Azeroth timeline.

The audio drama constantly references "The first Gul'dan" etc; these events happened YEARS ago in the Azeroth timeline. We also know little about the functions of the Twisting Nether, outside of it being the binding agent for worlds and dimensions. However, in WoD we kill Archimonde IN the Twisting Nether (a.k.a Nether Banish phase), so is this Archimonde's final end?

The alternate timeline of WoD being an odd case because perhaps it was particularly chosen for its differences? There is definitely a difference between alternate TIMELINE and alternate REALITY. And besides, any reality the Legion invades and WINS is ultimately pointless to explore anyway. Our timeline/reality is important because we have resisted the Legion in the past and pushed them out of our world. You could assume there are already countless worlds where they have invaded and won. And if there is only ONE Burning Legion, they have to focus on us as the front of an ongoing war.

[Deleted]

Burning Legion does not just appear into a timeline or world whenever they feel like. There must be someone like Gul'dan to open path/portal for them.

That's good to know. And does explain some things or prevent some thigns at least.

[Okacz]

Someone please help me clear this mess up!

So, according to WoD there's only 1 Burning Legion. They are one and the same in all realities, yes? Doesn't that mean that they can freely manipulate all timelines and outcomes in their own favor?

I thought the Bronze Dragons were all about keeping things happening properly. But if the BL is just one in all realities, the Bronze dragons can't really do shit about it. Which really, really trivializes what the Infinite dragons are trying to do. What's the point of manipulating 1 timeline and 1 alone, if the entirety of existance and all realities are still getting fucked up by ONE SINGLE BURNING LEGION?

Is our timeline, our reality, the only one that matters? Did nobody else do better than us?

Just pretend all the plot of WoD did not really happen. Blizzard wrote themselves into a corner with this alternate timeline, it's best to ignore it.

If you want to stick to it, here's a question: if there is only 1 Burning Legion, with a single Archimonde, KJ and Sargeras, and almost close to infinite amount of pararell/alternate universes, we've got a single Burning Legion needing to destroy not only our Azeroth, but Azeroth of each of those universes. Good luck with that, guys.

[huth]

But there is also the King Blackmoore timeline, the Infinites killed Thrall and gave Blackmoore the tools he needed to conquer Lordaeron.

Again, DC Comics, Flashpoint and Multiverse. Flashpoint changed Prime Earth history but it didn't created a new Earth. That's why Brainiac collected cities from different timelines and multiverses and how Pre-Flashpoint Superman managed to reappear in the comics and retake his mantle as The Superman.

That's how it worked in the DC 'verse. That doesn't tell us anything about how it works in the WC 'verse, or what would happen to the multiverse if the "prime" timeline falls.

[Combatbutler]

Just pretend all the plot of WoD did not really happen. Blizzard wrote themselves into a corner with this alternate timeline, it's best to ignore it.

If you want to stick to it, here's a question: if there is only 1 Burning Legion, with a single Archimonde, KJ and Sargeras, and almost close to infinite amount of pararell/alternate universes, we've got a single Burning Legion needing to destroy not only our Azeroth, but Azeroth of each of those universes. Good luck with that, guys.

Yep that is the most crucial flaw, just get around twelve Azeroths to unite their armies and invade the nether, anyone but sargeras would be utterly screwed.

Besides this obvious flaw, they have a finite amount of troops for an infinite amount of universes, making the crusade impossible.

[huth]

Yep that is the most crucial flaw, just get around twelve Azeroths to unite their armies and invade the nether, anyone but sargeras would be utterly screwed.

Besides this obvious flaw, they have a finite amount of troops for an infinite amount of universes, making the crusade impossible.

Well, part of the story of WoD also implies that getting into those other timelines is a rather complicated affair, so gathering sufficient forces to actually pose a serious threat to the Legion this way may not be feasible.

And as i said before, if there's infinite timelines, they cannot possibly win unless their actual goal is finite(i.e. only x baby titans across all timelines no matter what, if a timeline splits only one leg of the pants of time gets the baby)