r.i.p. alleria. 1997-2017. blizzard ruined alleria forever. blizz assassinated alleria's character and appearance.
i will never forgive you for this blizzard.
Harassment is a state-level law, not federal. Did you expect me to quote the law codes of all 50 States?
I didn't post that section because that law requires that ONE of those three categories be true, not ALL three.I asked you for an example of a conviction, not a small part of a single states law that could theoretically get someone in trouble without physical threat. Also I like how you didn't post the whole text section which showed a pattern of requiring physicality.
The pattern with physicality ALSO qualifies, but it's by no means required.
As for asking for a conviction; these kinds of crimes aren't the kind of thing that make the press, so I don't see how it's reasonable to expect me to dig through inaccessible court records to dig one out. I presented you with actual law, that's pretty clear-cut.
You appear to be avoiding the question sir. Would you accept the slavery imposed upon you by the democratic will of the villagers? Yes or no.
Plenty are in jail for tax evasion, they just are not dumb enough to try to shoot the police when they come to get them. I'm not dumb enough to try to evade tax. Shopkeepers in New York were not dumb enough to say no to the Mafia either. Tell me honestly, what do you believe would happen if someone told the government to piss off and used weaponry to fight off the police? Don't avoid this question like the last one please.
Ah this consent crap again. And I can only not consent by leaving the country of my birth, my family, everything I have, and go where? True there's no tax in Saudi Arabia, but I'm pretty sure speaking my mind there will get me killed so that's a no go.
It would be really nice if you statists at least admitted that tax is probably a necessary evil, that would at least be a bit more honest than the nonsense you are coming out with about consent. Just a thought - is that what they tell you in schools is the reason for tax? Taxpayer funded schools by any chance?
Because they haven't got there yet, but plenty of nations do that.
They will garnish your wages, if possible. If the amount of tax due is too large or garnishment doesn't work, yes, they can and most likely will arrest you. However, if you pull out a gun and threaten the officers and they shoot you, it isn't because you didn't pay your taxes, it's because you threatened to shoot armed police officers.
justice how about you present an alternative to living a society with taxation to have any measure of a comfortable life or even something resembling civilization?
what would you suggest we do instead of taxing people? because if you hate taxes so much i don't see you coming up with any alternatives.
also if i'm not mistaken the reason saudi arabia has no tax is because the oil revenues pay for pretty much everything they need no?
i'd imagine sitting on the world's largest oil reserves will do that when everyone uses oil.
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r.i.p. alleria. 1997-2017. blizzard ruined alleria forever. blizz assassinated alleria's character and appearance.
i will never forgive you for this blizzard.
Slavery? I don't consider it slavery, so yes, I would accept what was enforced.
I don't think you and I can ever agree. I spent half of my childhood in state care. I appreciate the value of taxes and social services and am very socialist-minded. We're on two sides that can't meet.
If you cant even find a conviction you have not proven that it is an occurrence that happens. Even then you would need to find it for the majority of states or an important precedence at the federal level to make a general statement.
If anything your meager findings are proving free speech is strong in the US.
r.i.p. alleria. 1997-2017. blizzard ruined alleria forever. blizz assassinated alleria's character and appearance.
i will never forgive you for this blizzard.
If thoes ideas are that you should hurt others or if it's just harassing people for the sake of hurting them then yes, thoes ideas should lead to you being removed from society if you try to force them on others. There is nothing orwellian about that.
Thats what we have the police for.
As I mentioned to someone else, I self-assess and a portion of my taxes is entirely under my control as to whether I pay or not (I do - I'm not stupid).
Peace officers eh?
Police officers would be sent to my home to arrest me yes, but it won't matter unless I become violent myself? Erm, it will matter to me won't it? I'll either be thrown in jail or have to let them take the wealth I have worked for and they haven't.
You know, if robbers come to your house, or you get mugged at gunpoint, it won't be a problem unless you get violent yourself. So you just bend over and give them what they want like a good boy.
On the contrary I love Britain to bits, especially England. I hate people who threaten me with violence unless I hand over my cash - don't you?
Of course, a lot of the people in government really do think they are doing the right thing, and when it comes to practicality taxation does get the job done for various services like the Army & Navy, roads etc - but it's still theft. It would be wonderful of you to at least realise the truth of the matter. You were never asked for consent at any point, and if you refused they wouldn't care - accept this basic truth sir.
Gosh I love how you think I can just move away and be free from it all, especially at just turning 18 - where is this Xanadu sir?
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Ok you are clearly having problems with basic logic.
People coming to my house to confiscate the wealth I have made with my own labour are not "innocent police officers" - they are thieves in the full knowledge of their crime. The fact most of the country approves of this behaviour does not make it any less of a crime.
I think you're a little rattled sir, it's good that we have the freedom of speech to be exposed to different ideas isn't it? Perhaps you might even change your mind one day?
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Amazing. You are Boxer.
Considering freedom of speech isolated from other crimes is what I would call simplistic. These things are intertwined: the more hate speech is allowed, the more hate crimes are going to happen.
You don't get to defend free speech by punishing people for using free speech the wrong way. Otherwise, it is not free speech you are defending, but merely the right for the speech you find appropriate.
Looking at the world nowadays, we can say that the guy was pretty wrong.
Lol, things people here believe...
May I point you towards the great Ron Paul Revolution:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Revolution-...aul+revolution
When I read this the first time I was as cynical as you are that a no tax state would work, but slowly I have changed my mind after listening to the arguments. It does take a long time to change opinions. Which is of course why the leftists love to infiltrate schools so much, get them young.
Also Tom Woods was instrumental in me getting my head around some of the more difficult aspects of it all. He has a YouTube channel (can be hard going at times) but he explains things a lot better than me:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsg...AiFarZYl1u1l9Q
And a final thought - 200 years ago a lot of people had no idea how the world would work without slavery. Were they right?
@Endus
One additional note, the example you gave earlier also would not be criminal harassment under the New York violation you cited. Article 10 of the New York Penal Code says that only misdemeanors and felonies are crimes. Violations are not a crime.
http://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-la...ect-10-00.html
http://www.newyorkcriminallawyer-blo...fense-law.html
Since we're pretty much guaranteed not to agree on anything at this point, just going to let this one go. I'd personally say that you're the type of person he's referring to specifically, perhaps barring the pharmaceuticals angle because unless the NSA I haven't bothered to learn everything about you.
The Fresh Prince of Baudelaire
Banned at least 10 times. Don't give a fuck, going to keep saying what I want how I want to.
Eat meat. Drink water. Do cardio and burpees. The good life.
No, unlike you, I've lived in actual totalitarian countries with lack of freedom. You grew up in the US and complain about total surveillance and such. How often is that surveillance used against you? How many times have the authorities restricted your freedom?
Go live here for a bit:
https://freedomhouse.org/report/free...d/2015/belarus
And here:
https://freedomhouse.org/report/free...015/uzbekistan
"Total surveillance" will be your last concern, buddy. While you are complaining about NSA watching you masturbate in front of your monitor, there are people having actual life-threatening problems, because they said a few words that offended the Big Brother. Nobody restricts your freedom in the US; in fact, I would argue that there is a bit too much freedom, leading to insanity like the Internet costing $90/m, or Trump running for president.
Well my government recommended today to buy food and water for ~10 days. In case war breaks out or something like that. So I stocked up my instant noodles.
that's the type of speech you people want. that's what it comes down to, being allowed to say more vs. being allowed to say less.
my vision of freedom of speech is correct and morally right, yours is wrong and a path to fascism. because mine allows more freedom, and yours allows less.
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