Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Ghostpanther]

that yeah, part of the public (being the republican base) agrees to your point, but the rest (at least in majority) doesnt think so, and that is a big problem for trump.

Well, it seems I did not misunderstand what you meant.

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you misunderstand he's had hundreds of suits he brought to court thrown out, like him suing bill maher or jon stewert and lost when disgruntled business partners sue for false promises

Ahh yes. You are right. Thanks for pointing that out. I do remember reading once he has had over 400 law suits filed against which he has successfully won. I will try to find out the figures and post them here if I can.

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First of all, I said his OWN lawsuits/countersuits were thrown out. He's had some against him tossed too, sure, but he frequently files stupid suits, like that time he sued a city for $25 million dollars for fining him. That was thrown out. That's not even counted as one of his 38 losses.

Plus, the comparison to a batting average isn't one you should stick with. Isn't 0.250 a pretty good average? Now, put that in this context. Isn't someone who wins one out of four lawsuits doing horribly horribly badly? A law-abiding, intelligent businessman who intends to run for president, losing lawsuits every other year and settling a ton more is not something to be proud of!



No! No, you missed the point entirely! We know Trump's past record. The list of failed businesses, the list of state and federal lawsuits he lost and/or settled rather than lose, the bankruptcies, the divorces, and how he handled his entire campaign. The man isn't orange, he's lit by the glow of the bridges he's burned to both parties of government, South America, NATO/EU, China, and even his former supporters like Chris Christie. You've seen his record. It's right fucking there. The only thing he has is that he claims he's successful, but won't even bother to prove it by releasing his tax returns. All you have is his word, the word of someone who won lie of the year for his entire 2015 campaign. Which wasn't even the half of it, anymore.

(pant pant pant)

Look. You seem like a reasonable person. But don't say things like "we don't know Trump's record". You do. You read this thread. You've seen piles upon piles of his record, and a lot of it is both provably true, and highly unflattering. This time last year, he couldn't even get a loan in this country, and he was most famous for being a game show host with sagging ratings. Just go back to that time. Take away all the promises he's made, all the things he's said he wants to do. Just look back in the news till pre-bid announcement. What, in the actual life of Trump, do you honestly think makes him qualified for the President of the United States?

Because if he's not qualified, his stance on the issues means exactly diddly-dick.

Yes, I misread. Sorry.

What I meant with what we know Hillary has done, was in reference to work for the public in a government position. Obviously Trump has done nothing illegal which would disqualify him from being President that we are aware of. I am sure the Democrats would bring it up if they found anything. Hillary in my opinion should be on trial.

I think we have reached a impasse on which candidate we think will be better. The issue with me is, Hillary is a horrible representative for the US to be President. There is no way in hell I could vote for her.

I do appreciate your well thought out responses and you have did it with respect. Something I admire. And even thou we disagree on which is the best candidate, ( they both suck ) you have made some good points for thoughts.

[Nfinitii]

Well, it seems I did not misunderstand what you meant.

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Ahh yes. You are right. Thanks for pointing that out. I do remember reading once he has had over 400 law suits filed against which he has successfully won. I will try to find out the figures and post them here if I can.

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Yes, I misread. Sorry.

What I meant with what we know Hillary has done, was in reference to work for the public in a government position. Obviously Trump has done nothing illegal which would disqualify him from being President that we are aware of. I am sure the Democrats would bring it up if they found anything. Hillary in my opinion should be on trial.

I think we have reached a impasse on which candidate we think will be better. The issue with me is, Hillary is a horrible representative for the US to be President. There is no way in hell I could vote for her.

I do appreciate your well thought out responses and you have did it with respect. Something I admire. And even thou we disagree on which is the best candidate, ( they both suck ) you have made some good points for thoughts.

Here r some numbers I found on Trumps and his companies 3500 lawsuits.

1900 him or his companies were the plaintiff
1450 him or his companies were the defendant
150 were bankruptcy, 3rd party or other.

1700 cases were cansino involved.

450 wins
38 loses
175 settled.

[Vilendor]

Trump and the liberal media. This is so funny



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[Ghostpanther]

Here r some numbers I found on Trumps and his companies 3500 lawsuits.

1900 him or his companies were the plaintiff
1450 him or his companies were the defendant
150 were bankruptcy, 3rd party or other.

1700 cases were cansino involved.

450 wins
38 loses
175 settled.

Ahh. Thanks for looking that up!! So 450 wins and even if we count the ones settled, he is batting over .500.

[Nfinitii]

Ahh. Thanks for looking that up!! So 450 wins and even if we count the ones settled, he is batting over .500.

I read into it further, yay for fine print. It represents only about 1300 cases, the rest r to old either being lost or destroyed and what not.

So out of ~1300 cases

500 dismissed
450 won
38 lost
175 settled
137 other

[Deleted]

Trump and the liberal media. This is so funny

What's your point other than confirmation bias?

[Felya]

What's your point other than confirmation bias?

Might be that I share the media bias in picking my concert seating.

There are a couple of other questions...

What does the EPA copyright stand for in the 'not preferred' image on top?
What is that rope barrier at the back of the room on the bottom 'not preferred' aims to keep at the back of the room?

That's why conspiracy theories are great. The very thing that contradicts them, can usually be found in their evidance. Because conspiracy theory asks you to believe, not to think.

[Reeve]

The only claim I have made is that the president is not as all powerful as people act. I could be president and you wouldn't notice any change at street level.

He may not be as powerful as people tend to think, but he/she is still VERY powerful.

-The President controls the most powerful military and most advanced nuclear arsenals in the world, with complete authority.
-The President runs the whole executive branch, including the FDA, the SEC, the DoE, the FCC, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, etc. etc. Not only does he get to choose who sits in the seats of power there, but he gets to use "prosecutorial discretion" to determine which laws to prioritize over which other ones. You live in Colorado or Washington, where marijuana is legal on a state level? It's still not legal federally, and with the stroke of a pen, the President can choose to send the FBI after all of those pot dispensaries. You worried about Net Neutrality? It's the FCC that sets those rules, and guess who appoints the head of the FCC?
-The President gets to choose federal judges, including SCOTUS picks. You like marriage equality? Who the president chooses for SCOTUS makes that decision. How about gun rights? SCOTUS makes those decisions, and the president chooses the SCOTUS picks.

He may not be able to wave a magic wand the improves or worsens the economy in any kind of predictable way, but the President still has a ton of power.

[Moralgy]

What's your point other than confirmation bias?

"Crowd size matters, not the poll numbers."

or that person thinks people are going to magically vote for trump if they saw a bigger crowd supporting him? Cause his message doesn't matter, just how many people like him enough to visit in person.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Lol. I thought I did. Apologies if I misunderstood. So what did you mean?

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So he has lost 38 times out of hundreds he has won ( having a law suit brought against you and then having it thrown out, is a win ) pretty damn good batting average I would say.

So we know what Hillary will do from her past record. With Trump, only time will tell. But at this point, we may never find out ether.

You may make a great President. Would have to know a lot more about you and what your stances are.

Being found guilt 38 out of a couple of times is s be g found guilty 38 times. If he wasn't wealthy at the times of his verdict and paid the fines, he WOULD be in jail for the things he's been found guilty of. See that's the punishment for many crimes, you choose jail time or a fine. And if you're not wealthy you go to jail.

Just to be clear, any normal person would be in jail for the things Trump has done, but because he paid the fine (or more likely, his daddy paid the fine) he never went to jail.

And here's the thing, Trump seems to have been losing money his entire life, but while daddy was still alive, his daddy would bail him out of trouble. Ever since daddy Trump died in 1999, Trump's brand and wealth has been going downhill and unable to recover. Daddy is no longer able to back out his failures.

[Felya]

He may not be able to wave a magic wand the improves or worsens the economy in any kind of predictable way, but the President still has a ton of power.

According to Trump, the president also has the power to fund terrorist groups. Destroy the second amendment. Make America great again. Declair China a currency manipulator. Bomb the shit out of them and give their oil to Exxon. Create millions of great jobs. Change the tax code and country's healthcare system. Influencing other nations to build multi million dollar projects with black mail. Change liable laws to protect politicians.

The idea being propagated about the President, or dictator as Obama was referred to, being Trump as not having the power to impact much is absurd. When someone tells you Trump will fuck up the economy, the response shouldn't be 'he has no power to do so'. But, stating how his economic plan wouldn't actually harm anything. The problem, Trump's stated or listed plans are horrible. There is no way to defend his proposals. So, they need to change the paradigm to him not having the power to inact his plans. It only highlights how incompetent he is, but how his support depends on nothing, but feelings.

Yes, folks... When a candidate runs, they lay out plans for their intent as president. When they show their economic plans and people respond he will fuck up the economy, the reply of 'he has no power to do it' is completely irrelevant. Trump is making claims that he will fix the economy, he lists his plans of how to do it. People who disagree are not arguing over the power of executive branch, but Trump's stated plans.

Shouldn't they be telling Trump that his claims of executive branch power are wrong, instead of those who claim he would do major damage due to how wrong his proposals are?

[Pangean]

Here r some numbers I found on Trumps and his companies 3500 lawsuits.

1900 him or his companies were the plaintiff
1450 him or his companies were the defendant
150 were bankruptcy, 3rd party or other.

1700 cases were cansino involved.

450 wins
38 loses
175 settled.

You got cites for this info?

[Felya]

I hope those making the claims of a powerless president, realize it doesn't help Trump. If you apply the same logic, every prediction from Hillary being a warmonger to her stifling the 2nd amendment are bullshit as well. Combine that with his ignorance, lying and flip flopping being blamed on the media, being equaly done for Hillary. The result is still a very clear choice, a cold and cunning candidate or a bombastic demagogue.

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It's funny because they said the exact same thing back in 2012. "Oh I see way more Romney yard signs than Obama signs, he'll win so fucking hard!!!"

Not even they, Trump did. Trump went on a Twitter tirade while Obama was already projected to win, as votes were being reported. By claiming fraud and electoral college needs to be revoked, because Romney winning the popular vote should give him the presidancy. Obama ended with a 5 million win in popular vote...

[alexw]

I think everyone of those things could be forgiven, or overlooked if he had some type of experience or talent that he could bring to bear on the problems facing the country, or if there was some type of policy that he espoused that actually made sense. You could excuse away the lawsuits by saying something like, "well every real estate tycoon who runs several multi million dollar properties is going to have some lawsuits, if he didn't also have the most dysfunctional relationship with his own ignorance ever seen in a major party candidate. You could excuse his personal failings in his marriages, if he didn't also put proudly on display the very same hubris, arrogance, and fickle carelessness that must have caused the turmoil in his private life. You could excuse the tax cheating, hell almost everyone does, and the lying about his personal finances, if he didn't also espouse disastrous economic policies like letting the US default on it's debt.

To answer the question at the end of your excellent post; There is no reason. Beyond, perhaps just sheer hatred of the Clintons. But then, that hatred would have to be so encompassing as to almost border on mental illness, at least in my inexpert opinion.

This. Exactly this.

Clinton has her own negatives so if Trump had some of his own negatives it would not matter too much. It'd balance out and I could then see why some people would prefer him over her. But with Trump its negative after negative. The serial trophy wives and cheating, the arrogance, narcissism and thin skin, the utter lack of policy knowledge, the continual batshit insane ideas (you mentioned one of them - defaulting on the national debt), the constant lies and saying one thing to one group and the opposite to another, the racism, bigotry and hurling of insults. It goes on and on. There is just no escaping all of this and the only way I can see people voting for him is that they are so partisan that they are blind to objective reality. Anyone with any modicum of sense will not vote for him which is I why I'm expecting a Clinton landslide.

[Lenonis]

I know I'm about 12 hours late to the party -- but isn't it basically common knowledge at this point that Trump has been trying to maximize his profits from his campaign? He's used Trump facilities where possible and hasn't done so for free.

What's amusing to me is Trump supporters completely gloss over this with a pithy "Hey it's legal" and yet are point to Clinton Foundation donors getting access (also legal) as the height of corruption.

I don't suppose there is any chance of removing at least a little bit of the hypocrisy here?

[Felya]

This. Exactly this.

Clinton has her own negatives so if Trump had some of his own negatives it would not matter too much. It'd balance out and I could then see why some people would prefer him over her. But with Trump its negative after negative. The serial trophy wives and cheating, the arrogance, narcissism and thin skin, the utter lack of policy knowledge, the continual batshit insane ideas (you mentioned one of them - defaulting on the national debt), the constant lies and saying one thing to one group and the opposite to another, the racism, bigotry and hurling of insults. It goes on and on. There is just no escaping all of this and the only way I can see people voting for him is that they are so partisan that they are blind to objective reality. Anyone with any modicum of sense will not vote for him which is I why I'm expecting a Clinton landslide.

The way I see it, there are 3 camps voting for Trump, that share members. The GOP loyalist, the Hillary will destroy the country and Trump will destroy the country. 2 of those are common in all elections, all sides of the isle. The last I have never seen in any election before. I cannot think of a single time there has been a loud minority of support, that relies on his incompetence to destroy the country. I agree that if every person voted based on who the better candidate of the two is, Clinton would win in a landslide. But, I think people have over value the polling of their favorable or competence opinions. Because unlike before, there seems to be a large segment that will vote for him because he is incompetent and unfavorable. I think it will be very close...

[Noxx79]

I hope those making the claims of a powerless president, realize it doesn't help Trump. If you apply the same logic, every prediction from Hillary being a warmonger to her stifling the 2nd amendment are bullshit as well. Combine that with his ignorance, lying and flip flopping being blamed on the media, being equaly done for Hillary. The result is still a very clear choice, a cold and cunning candidate or a bombastic demagogue.

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Not even they, Trump did. Trump went on a Twitter tirade while Obama was already projected to win, as votes were being reported. By claiming fraud and electoral college needs to be revoked, because Romney winning the popular vote should give him the presidancy. Obama ended with a 5 million win in popular vote...

I will always remember Karl Rove on Fox News that night in complete denial over the Romney loss. When Fox news called Ohio for Obama, at that point they were like, "Dude, he lost, c'mon...."

http://www.newsweek.com/real-reason-...n-night-226695

[Vilendor]

What's your point other than confirmation bias?

I don't have a bias, i couldn't care less who wins the elections in the USA and even if i do what does it matter?

As i already said, it's just hilariously funny to watch as an outsider the double standards and pity manipulating techniques
That video is the funniest shit i have seen this week so far

[Nfinitii]

You got cites for this info?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...tles/84995854/

I was looking for a different set of numbers but I couldn't find them, they had more wins and loses but this is close enough.

[some guy]

Seems like a lot of settlements for a guy who claims to never settle lawsuits.