Do You Consider The Term 'Colored' Offensive?

[ElDoorO]

No they weren't.

Yes they were.

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Okay no we didn't. There is no way you can objectively claim that.

Sure I can. Google "irish american slavery".

[Kalis]

Yes they were.

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Sure I can. Google "irish american slavery".

It was indentured servitude, which is not slavery and it did not happen to every Irish person, it happened to mainly the poor who fell foul of the law in Britain - it also happened to non-Irish Brits as well.

Plus the Irish were never lynched in the USA in anything like the numbers that black people were, if at all, nor were they excluded from participation in society to the extent of black people.

To make the claim the the Irish in the USA had it as bad as blacks is preposterous, to say they had it worse is akin to believing in leprechauns.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Sure I can. Google "irish american slavery".

I did this. The first 5 results were:
1 - The Irish Slave Trade: The Forgotten "White" Slaves
2 - How the Myth of "Irish Slaves" Became a Favorite Meme of Racists
3 - Let's Quash the Myth That the Irish Were Ever American Slaves
4 - Slavery Myths: Seven Lies, Half-Truths, and Irrelevancies People Trot Out
5 - How Accurate is the Proclamation that Irish Slavery in America was as Prolific as African Slavery?

Not a ringing endorsement.

[ElDoorO]

I did this. The first 5 results were:
1 - The Irish Slave Trade: The Forgotten "White" Slaves
2 - How the Myth of "Irish Slaves" Became a Favorite Meme of Racists
3 - Let's Quash the Myth That the Irish Were Ever American Slaves
4 - Slavery Myths: Seven Lies, Half-Truths, and Irrelevancies People Trot Out
5 - How Accurate is the Proclamation that Irish Slavery in America was as Prolific as African Slavery?

Not a ringing endorsement.

And there's also pictures to back it up but you're welcome to believe whatever you want to believe. Still true.

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It was indentured servitude, which is not slavery and it did not happen to every Irish person, it happened to mainly the poor who fell foul of the law in Britain - it also happened to non-Irish Brits as well.

Plus the Irish were never lynched in the USA in anything like the numbers that black people were, if at all, nor were they excluded from participation in society to the extent of black people.

To make the claim the the Irish in the USA had it as bad as blacks is preposterous, to say they had it worse is akin to believing in leprechauns.

I disagree. Denying this happened is as bad as whitewashing.

[Kalis]

And there's also pictures to back it up but you're welcome to believe whatever you want to believe. Still true.

It is not true.

The Irish had rights as people even if they were indentured servants - it was basically a form of criminal punishment, which usually had a limited term - whereas blacks were slaves, which made them property and was hereditary.

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I disagree. Denying this happened is as bad as whitewashing.

Denying what happened? The Irish were treated appallingly, claiming they were treated worse than they actually were is historical revisionism.

You can disagree all you want, but your version of history is all about mythologising the Emerald Isle and getting misty eyed at Danny Boy.

[ElDoorO]

It is not true.

The Irish had rights as people even if they were indentured servants - it was basically a form of criminal punishment, which usually had a limited term - whereas blacks were slaves, which made them property and was hereditary.

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Denying what happened? The Irish were treated appallingly, claiming they were treated worse than they actually were is historical revisionism.

You can disagree all you want, but your version of history is all about mythologising the Emerald Isle and getting misty eyed at Danny Boy.

You can deny the history and pictures all you want. That's on you to wash away history in denial.
Your opinion doesn't effect my freedom so it's w/e you want to deny. There's enough evidence to show it happened and as far as I know there weren't any "free" Irish folks who migrated here. Only slaves.

[Kalis]

You can deny the history and pictures all you want. That's on you to wash away history in denial.
Your opinion doesn't effect my freedom so it's w/e you want to deny. There's enough evidence to show it happened and as far as I know there weren't any "free" Irish folks who migrated here. Only slaves.

There were few Irish with the status of slave, if any, so explain exactly how so many in the US claim to have Irish heritage if none of them ever went there.


Britain sold Irish indentured servants - these are not the same as slaves, they had a much higher status, for a start they were regarded as human.

And Scots were sold in the same way.

The Welsh as well.

And the English.

Damn those British and the way they treated the English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh! Oh...wait.


The authorities treated everyone harshly, the poor bore the brunt of it, that was just the way life was then.

However black people were property, they did not have the luxury of freedom after a set period, to compare indentured servitude to slavery is dubious, to claim the Irish had it worse is beyond retarded.

[Felya]

Not on it's own, but it is more offensive than coloured... U make it so much better... U is the the best...

[Enthusiastic Steward]

And there's also pictures to back it up but you're welcome to believe whatever you want to believe. Still true.

Hey, don't get mad at me that I did exactly what you asked and the bulk of what came back didn't say what you wanted it to say.

Second, I didn't say I believe anything, I simply provided the results of doing what you told me to do and stated they didn't appear to support your claim. That's all.

Third, old historical photos can often be used to show whatever you want to show, sourcing is difficult and taking them at face value is risky. You often end up with the same picture in two places with different captions claiming it is from two different places and two different things.

Last, I stand by my previous statement. Irish families were not being torn apart and sold at auction. Irish were not being lynched well into the 1900s. In the segregated south, where the bulk of slavery in America existed, there were not White, Colored, and Irish drinking fountains. Were the Irish discriminated against? Absolutely. Were they cast into bondage on such a scale that the economy of an entire section of the country was so tied up in their life in chains that they were willing to break away from the US and fight a years-long war to maintain their right to keep millions of Irish as property working the fields and fueling their industry? No.

There's enough evidence to show it happened and as far as I know there weren't any "free" Irish folks who migrated here. Only slaves.

So the widely known and studied Great Famine of 1845-52 and subsequent migration of hundreds of thousands if Irish to the New World is a complete fabrication?

[dextersmith]

It depends on who utters it, according to double standards.

[AlphaOut]

I mean, my grandma says colored so it has to be racist. No filter on that woman.

[Revi]

It feels like every word used for people with dark skin is eventually considered racist by some people.

We're bound to run out of descriptive words at some point.

[Tradewind]

I got yelled at here a year ago or something for using the word "coloured."

My defense is if it's good enough for the NAACP to keep using it, it's still good everywhere else.

I know I'd rather be called "coloured" than "black." Most aren't even black, it's brown at best.

[Kalis]

It feels like every word used for people with dark skin is eventually considered racist by some people.

We're bound to run out of descriptive words at some point.

What happens is they recycle terms previously regarded as offensive, so 'coloured' will become the term of choice and 'black' the one regarded as offensive.

We have got to the point where, in America, 'person of colour' is not offensive but 'coloured person' is, even though they are just two ways of saying the exact same thing in English.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

What happens is they recycle terms previously regarded as offensive, so 'coloured' will become the term of choice and 'black' the one regarded as offensive.

We have got to the point where, in America, 'person of colour' is not offensive but 'coloured person' is, even though they are just two ways of saying the exact same thing in English.

I vote we move to ice cream flavors. Whites can be vanilla, blacks can be chocolate, Hispanics can be caramel, Asians can obviously be mint chocolate chip, etc etc

[Kalis]

I vote we move to ice cream flavors. Whites can be vanilla, blacks can be chocolate, Hispanics can be caramel, Asians can obviously be mint chocolate chip, etc etc

I want to be pistachio, so I will probably need to catch some awful disease.

[Bapestar]

Depends on the context in which it is used.

[Felya]

Irish families were not being torn apart and sold at auction. Irish were not being lynched well into the 1900s.

The British wished this was the case...

https://youtu.be/iYH5h-5Dz40

[Enthusiastic Steward]

The British wished this was the case...

https://youtu.be/iYH5h-5Dz40

That's a whole different issue, though relevant in that the anti-Irish sentiment was transplanted to the states and the Irish did face a lot of discrimination. People forget how much hostility there used to be between Protestants and Catholics, and I find that people younger than my generation in the US haven't even heard of The Troubles.

It is telling that of the 43 people who have been president in the US only 1 has been Catholic.

[derpkitteh]

Just outdated.

"African-American" is a bit...much. So I just use "black."

If someone thinks that's questionable I just rebut, "I'm black and proud of it. Should I not be?"

i don't like the term african-american either. blacks have been in this country just as long as whites have, we're all americans. the only way you'd be an african-american to me, is if you're an immigrant from africa, and that could mean you're white or black.

as for colored, idk. i wouldn't say it, i just say black if i even acknowledge their race in any way.