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  1. #581
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post

    Sure German tanks 1v1 would have destroyed a British/American tank. But the British and American tanks were being produced in such numbers that I think the saying was "One Tiger could take out 9 Shermans, But the allies always came out with 10.". It was the same with the airforce. Just that the RAF produced equal or better fighters and interceptors than the Germans were producing.
    Actually, at the time of the proposed invasion German tanks were inferior to the best that the British had - just as they had been against the French. The Matilda was immune to German ant-tank guns and had only been stopped at Arras by turning 88mm anti-air guns against them. Any panzers or AT guns that landed would have been unable to handle the Matildas.

    Any invasion of the UK would have been Dieppe, not Normandy. Even if they had designed and built landing craft, the Germans had no training with them and worse, no means of supplying any troops that landed properly. The ports that they could have captured could not handle the thousands of tons of supplies a day needed to keep the invasion force landing and all that it would require was a freighter or two sunk at moorings while unloading and it would go from bad to worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhoof View Post
    Generation hashtag willing to die en masse n wouldn't shit themselves against someone who can shoot back?

    Add that ur enemy is hardcore tough east Europeans who are men n not boys who think war is a computergame.

    Go back to intimidate the 3rd world countries like the chicken hawks that you are.
    Those "hardcore tough east Europeans" had a harder time with the same 3rd World country even though it was right next door....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    russia was not beat badly - some remote areas that they didnt gave to much fuck about were beaten - in that war korea was the real beaten country they taken some areas of russia without significant value - learn the history pls

    They beat you in the war!
    "Nuh-uh, we didn't really want those areas anyway".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhoof View Post
    Generation hashtag willing to die en masse n wouldn't shit themselves against someone who can shoot back?

    Add that ur enemy is hardcore tough east Europeans who are men n not boys who think war is a computergame.

    Go back to intimidate the 3rd world countries like the chicken hawks that you are.
    Ha, cheers for the comedy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adudu View Post
    They beat you in the war!
    "Nuh-uh, we didn't really want those areas anyway".
    Russia lost most of its navy in the war, hard to wave that away....

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    Maybe i should have made this clear, i never suggested that sea lion was feasible - I said that if Hitler had let the Luftwaffe do its thing, an invasion (not sea lion) would have been.
    Careful with the matches boys, the straw may ignite!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Russia lost most of its navy in the war, hard to wave that away....
    Nah, since they didn't want that coastal area anyway they didn't need the navy anymore, so they totally scuttled their ships. In fact the japanese didn't actually kill a single troop. Or something like that I guess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    There were two different claims, A, the UK is capable of feeding it self now (no)
    B, the UK did not need imports during the war - also no.
    You you tried to claim the UK was incapable of feeding itself during the war (wrong) and used a reference from 50 years later to try and back up the claim.


    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    They were against most of what he did
    Because most of the times he overruled them tactically it was a disaster, there are literally dozens of examples of things he did that made things worse for the Germans and ruined their chances of taking country X or forcing country Y to exit the war or cost them thousands of men because he refused to let them retreat from certain death.


    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    I'm guessing you are referencing sea lion
    Well yes because that's what we have been discussing for the past few pages, the planned German invasion of the UK which was cancelled because Hitlers incompetence prevented Germnay gaining air supremacy (Which was good for them really as prctically every historical/military consensus is that it would have been a disaster even wiht air supremacy).


    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    most of what I said here was drawn froma Swedish book about air power and this from the 80's
    And you have more faith in that than the opinion of the experts? O.o


    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    No, the German army had better equipment, and the defences would have been worse.
    Their landing craft were greatly inferior, they had no portable docks (hell they hadn't been invented yet), their equipment was simply not as good as what we stormed France with.

    Their target was somewhere easier to defend which had been heavily fortified (you can't actually storm the sheer cliffs of Dover for obvious reasons, they would have to land elsewhere)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    In 1974 they wargamed Operation Sea Lion with both British and German participants who had fought in the war and the conclusion of all involved that it was a complete disaster for the Germans.
    If you did a wargame of Operation Weserübung (German invation of Norway) or Operation Cerberus (German capital chip run the guntlet of the English Channel) both British and German participants who had fought in the war and the conclusion of all involved that it was a complete disaster for the Germans.

    Both times the British had enough "game pieces" to ensure a easy win, but games are poor at simulating surprise and foge of war.

    Now it do not say that Sea Lion will succeed, only that German was abel to pull some carzy stunt..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Chief View Post
    NATO army is more than a match for Russia, that's all that matters.

    England expanding its army now wouldn't change anything atm, plus their closest ally only has the best army in the world.
    Until the USA does as Europeans always say and 'stays out of Europe's business', there goes more than half of your army, enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    You you tried to claim the UK was incapable of feeding itself during the war (wrong) and used a reference from 50 years later to try and back up the claim.




    Because most of the times he overruled them tactically it was a disaster, there are literally dozens of examples of things he did that made things worse for the Germans and ruined their chances of taking country X or forcing country Y to exit the war or cost them thousands of men because he refused to let them retreat from certain death.




    Well yes because that's what we have been discussing for the past few pages, the planned German invasion of the UK which was cancelled because Hitlers incompetence prevented Germnay gaining air supremacy (Which was good for them really as prctically every historical/military consensus is that it would have been a disaster even wiht air supremacy).




    And you have more faith in that than the opinion of the experts? O.o




    Their landing craft were greatly inferior, they had no portable docks (hell they hadn't been invented yet), their equipment was simply not as good as what we stormed France with.

    Their target was somewhere easier to defend which had been heavily fortified (you can't actually storm the sheer cliffs of Dover for obvious reasons, they would have to land elsewhere)
    In 1939, the UK imported ~70% of their food, and their domestic animal production relied greatly on imported feed. Rationing did not end in the UK until 1954.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    Careful with the matches boys, the straw may ignite!
    yeah that's not a straw man - Don't you know what those are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    You you tried to claim the UK was incapable of feeding itself during the war (wrong) and used a reference from 50 years later to try and back up the claim.
    Dude - A, i was not being literal about the fucking food - Besides as kellhound says, they were importing that too.
    But if Germany had cut of the UK supply lines, it wouldn't have been the food that ran out first - It would have been the war effort.


    Because most of the times he overruled them tactically it was a disaster, there are literally dozens of examples of things he did that made things worse for the Germans and ruined their chances of taking country X or forcing country Y to exit the war or cost them thousands of men because he refused to let them retreat from certain death.
    well he was right most of the time at the start.


    Well yes because that's what we have been discussing for the past few pages, the planned German invasion of the UK which was cancelled because Hitlers incompetence prevented Germnay gaining air supremacy (Which was good for them really as prctically every historical/military consensus is that it would have been a disaster even wiht air supremacy).
    No, i have not been talking about Sea lion.
    BTW, the concept i mocked you for before, is goalpost moving, although i maintain it was me being unclear (by not explicitly saying 'not sea lion')



    And you have more faith in that than the opinion of the experts? O.o
    Well he was (is i think) an expert of aerial warfare - You should maybe read up on the lessons the pacific theatre taught everyone about air power and sea forces.



    Their landing craft were greatly inferior, they had no portable docks (hell they hadn't been invented yet), their equipment was simply not as good as what we stormed France with.
    What part of the Army includes landing craft?
    Didnt i fucking clarify this?
    No, the German army had better equipment, and the defences would have been worse.
    The logistics would be the problem.
    Oh my yes i did.

    Their target was somewhere easier to defend which had been heavily fortified (you can't actually storm the sheer cliffs of Dover for obvious reasons, they would have to land elsewhere)
    You do know the UK has a fairly large coastline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhoof View Post
    Generation hashtag willing to die en masse n wouldn't shit themselves against someone who can shoot back?

    Add that ur enemy is hardcore tough east Europeans who are men n not boys who think war is a computergame.

    Go back to intimidate the 3rd world countries like the chicken hawks that you are.
    Brainwashed Russian? Nato air superiority alone would crush Russia. Not to mention what a few aircraft carriers would do. Nato includes the US, and the US alone would bitchslap Russia like a redheaded stepchild.. Nato are not poor unsuspecting families watching soccer in France that "real russian men" can beat up.

    Not to mention that fighting a war takes money, and Russia are in the hole in that regard as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bantokar View Post
    Brainwashed Russian? Nato air superiority alone would crush Russia. Not to mention what a few aircraft carriers would do. Nato includes the US, and the US alone would bitchslap Russia like a redheaded stepchild.. Nato are not poor unsuspecting families watching soccer in France that "real russian men" can beat up.

    Not to mention that fighting a war takes money, and Russia are in the hole in that regard as well.
    What do you think the reaction at home would be when a bunch of soldiers and a bunch of millions get wasted against s400's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    What do you think the reaction at home would be when a bunch of soldiers and a bunch of millions get wasted against s400's?
    When the conflict is won not much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakis View Post
    When the conflict is won not much.
    So you think our societies can take an old school massacre meat grinder war?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    So you think our societies can take an old school massacre meat grinder war?
    I just gloated a bit at the dick waving contest which we all know will only end one way considering nukes could be deployed.
    This whole thread is kind of pointless except if to indulge in dick waving
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakis View Post
    I just gloated a bit at the dick waving contest which we all know will only end one way considering nukes could be deployed.
    This whole thread is kind of pointless except if to indulge in dick waving
    To impress a chick do the helicopter dick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakis View Post
    I just gloated a bit at the dick waving contest which we all know will only end one way considering nukes could be deployed.
    This whole thread is kind of pointless except if to indulge in dick waving
    Yes that's very true. All this rockets talk is all about overcompensating I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    To impress a chick do the helicopter dick.
    But hold on...
    4th gen or 5th gen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    What do you think the reaction at home would be when a bunch of soldiers and a bunch of millions get wasted against s400's?
    Surgical strikes = No more s400... Why would an air defense waste millions of people and soldiers? And it wouldn´t take millions wasted, Russia would be begging for mercy within a week if NATO went all in (no nukes from either side)

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