Deaf driver shot dead by US police during traffic stop

[dubious_doomhammer]

So he didnt have a rear view mirror to know to pull over? Either way the cops not at fault for this. Was just an series of bad events for both of them.

So you're saying that being an inconvenience (not stopping), is just cause for execution? really?

[Dug]

So he didnt have a rear view mirror to know to pull over? Either way the cops not at fault for this. Was just an series of bad events for both of them.

You don't know that yet. Not nearly enough details to come to any sort of conclusion.

[madethisfor1post]

Maybe he was trying to use sign language and the cop thought he was throwing up gang signs.

[I Push Buttons]

I want you to understand how much you are trivializing dying as an expected outcome for an encounter with police.

An expected outcome for idiots behaving like idiots.

"In today's news, XX thousands of interactions with police occurred where people used common sense, behaved reasonably, answered some questions, then went about there life... One guy decided he wasn't going to do any of that shit and got shot because of his own actions by an human who also happens to be a police officer and desired to live more than give someone threatening him the benefit of the doubt... THE SYSTEM IS FUCKIN BROKE COPS KILL EVERYONE!"

[judgementofantonidas]

It says an encounter took place. Doesn't everyone know you don't get out of your car unless the officer ask? Second, Deaf or not, do people drive miles without even glancing in their rear-view mirror?

The first thing any officer will tell you is to stay inside of your car unless asked to get out.

[NineSpine]

Nobody is trivializing death. If you look at it from the COPS point of view, you are trying to pull over a guy for speeding. This guys refuses to stop, and when he finally does he is combative. I am not going to sit here and blame cops for every death. There is a such thing as shared fault. If this guy would have pulled over earlier, it would have gone down much differently.

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=70
There are millions of police interactions every year and only a fraction end up in this manner. Which means police are not trigger happy as the media wants you to believe.

US police kill hundreds to over a thousand people annually, while the German police fired 85 bullets in the entire nation of Germany in 2011. The UK has an average of 0-2 police shootings annually.

[Deleted]

The life of a US citizen must not be worth much, if people's lives get ended just like that.

[Raptor With a Saber]

So you're saying that being an inconvenience (not stopping), is just cause for execution? really?

You don't know that yet. Not nearly enough details to come to any sort of conclusion.

"The driver exited his vehicle in the neighborhood and an "encounter took place" that led to a shot being fired, North Carolina State Highway Patrol spokesman Sergeant Michael Baker said in a statement."

It was a series of bad events. Had the man stayed in his car and let the cop approach things would have gone better. What do you want besides saying bad shit happened? Not stopping usually means they have something to hide or are running. Then to get out means they are a threat to the cop or others. It was a bad situation really just accept it.

[Kapadons]

How many police encounters occur each year on average. How many people are shot by police each year. Now tell me the likelihood of being shot during a police encounter. I'll be waiting.

It's very low. No official numbers on actual numbers of police shootings but the closest I found was close to 1000 people last year in America. ( again not official) and this year seems to be on target with that. Tens of millions of people are stopped every year for a traffic stop. Based on those very vague numbers , we can conclude that a very minute amount of people are shot by the police.

[Raptor With a Saber]

The life of a US citizen must not be worth much, if people's lives get ended just like that.

Came to this conclusion over a cop shooting and not the massive insane amounts of citizen killing other citizens mostly ganger bangers whos lets be frank here arent worth much to begin with.

[NineSpine]

"The driver exited his vehicle in the neighborhood and an "encounter took place" that led to a shot being fired, North Carolina State Highway Patrol spokesman Sergeant Michael Baker said in a statement."

It was a series of bad events. Had the man stayed in his car and let the cop approach things would have gone better. What do you want besides saying bad shit happened? Not stopping usually means they have something to hide or are running. Then to get out means they are a threat to the cop or others. It was a bad situation really just accept it.

Having something to hide or running are not causes for summary execution. If getting out of your car means you are a threat, then how do you explain the fact that this guy wasn't a threat and got out of his car?

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It's very low. No official numbers on actual numbers of police shootings but the closest I found was close to 1000 people last year in America. ( again not official) and this year seems to be on target with that. Tens of millions of people are stopped every year for a traffic stop. Based on those very vague numbers , we can conclude that a very minute amount of people are shot by the police.

Yet the German police can somehow do their jobs while firing under 100 bullets in a year.

[I Push Buttons]

"The driver exited his vehicle in the neighborhood and an "encounter took place" that led to a shot being fired, North Carolina State Highway Patrol spokesman Sergeant Michael Baker said in a statement."

It was a series of bad events. Had the man stayed in his car and let the cop approach things would have gone better. What do you want besides saying bad shit happened? Not stopping usually means they have something to hide or are running. Then to get out means they are a threat to the cop or others. It was a bad situation really just accept it.

Dude that's victim blaming, you can't do that in a #CopLivesDontMatter thread.

Be careful or Endus will get you.

[NineSpine]

Dude that's victim blaming, you can't do that in a #CopLivesDontMatter thread.

Be careful or Endus will get you.

At what point was the officer's life in danger?

[PACOX]

And this is exactly why cops are put in a bad light. Because people like you ASSUME shit while in the same post talking about how you don't know all the facts. Its incredible. Its like no one can possibly believe a deaf person can get aggressive.

Guess what, if you run from the cops for 13 miles, I don't care what disability you have, you fucked up, and yea a cop is going to potentially be worried that you're dangerous as a result, so if you do anything aggresive, they're trained to defend themselves regardless of whether a physical weapon is seen or not.

Cops put themselves in their own bad light with scandal after scandal. By tolerating bad cops. Allowing those bad cops to get away with rampant corruption and misconduct. Its sad when you can predict what went down before the videos even come out. And how many of those videos will be "lost" "damaged" "we don't know why is skipped 30 sec".

The deaf man was aggressive? Fucking taze him. Pepper Spray him, wait for backup. Running from the police isn't a death sentence. The police are not judges, juries, and executioners. They don't get to say "well I though he was a piece of shit so I shot him", they aren't allowed to say "well he was argumentative and combative so I shot him", the gun is for when their life is in danger, not when someone gave them a hard time.

they're trained to defend themselves regardless of whether a physical weapon is seen or not.

Trained to defends themselves if fine, most people will agree. But when you're trained to use deadly force just because you're paranoid or can't be asked to try to deescalate a situation then something is wrong with your training.

I rather that we overinvestigate every police shooting to cover the officers ass when they weren't wrong and to cut down on police misconduct than to always to assume that the person shot somehow brought the bullet on themself.

[Dug]

"The driver exited his vehicle in the neighborhood and an "encounter took place" that led to a shot being fired, North Carolina State Highway Patrol spokesman Sergeant Michael Baker said in a statement."

It was a series of bad events. Had the man stayed in his car and let the cop approach things would have gone better. What do you want besides saying bad shit happened? Not stopping usually means they have something to hide or are running. Then to get out means they are a threat to the cop or others. It was a bad situation really just accept it.

No because the details are vague. An encounter can mean anything from a verbal exchange to a physical altercation. Also lots of people leave their vehicles when pulled over (they're not supposed to, agreed) and not all of them meet this fate. So yeah, something bad happened but we don't know exactly why it led to this.

[Bapestar]

A black officer shot a white suspect ? Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

What does that have to do with anything?

[NineSpine]

Cops put themselves in their own bad light with scandal after scandal. By tolerating bad cops. Allowing those bad cops to get away with rampant corruption and misconduct. Its sad when you can predict what went down before the videos even come out. And how many of those videos will be "lost" "damaged" "we don't know why is skipped 30 sec".

The deaf man was aggressive? Fucking taze him. Pepper Spray him, wait for backup. Running from the police isn't a death sentence. The police are not judges, juries, and executioners. They don't get to say "well I though he was a piece of shit so I shot him", they aren't allowed to say "well he was argumentative and combative so I shot him", the gun is for when their life is in danger, not when someone gave them a hard time.



Trained to defends themselves if fine, most people will agree. But when you're trained to use deadly force just because you're paranoid or can't be asked to try to deescalate a situation then something is wrong with your training.

You don't understand. You are talking to fascists. They LIKE that the police execute people for the most minor slight possible. It makes them HAPPY that things like this happen, because it demonstrates to them the existence of an intrinsic authority to kill, which they see as orderly and proper. They are demented. You can't be rational with them.

[Alcsaar]

At what point was the officer's life in danger?

As soon as the driver didn't pull over his vehicle in a timely manner.

[I Push Buttons]

At what point was the officer's life in danger?

At what point does the officer's right to protect himself from a perceived threat cease to exist?

[Danin]

Nobody is trivializing death. If you look at it from the COPS point of view, you are trying to pull over a guy for speeding. This guys refuses to stop, and when he finally does he is combative.

... So you KILL HIM?