Honor Tokens are a fucking terrible joke

[Zyky]

And? You mean how i'm very time-efficient, as well as doing the same thing 96% of the playerbase is currently doing? Okay, but anyway. Stay relevant to the thread or gtfo.

Your attitude is pretty shitty. As for "time-efficient" no, it's called lazy, you get more exp from flying around and actually taking part in killing mobs. As for "96% of the playerbase" I call bullshit on that because I've done invasions on 5 different server clusters and not one of them had a mass amount of AFKers, most of them flew around in packs to hunt elites/bosses.

He's my comment for relevance sake, you're lazy. Get over it and do BGs or don't do them. You don't -NEED- the transmog, you want it. So If you want it, put in the effort to get it. Your whole thread and replies are basically "I'm lazy and I just want stuff handed to me, just like how I afked to level."

[Gorgodeus]

Yes, BUT...even if I lost I got points still right? (I am litterally asking, as I a filthy casual who was just in the BG's long enough to farm what I needed for transmogs). If you lose a BG now, you get shit....ZERO. Which in many players opinions is too harsh of a mechanic to lure in casuals to participate in PVP for the reward of transmogs.

Marks are account bound, so they can be farmed by any of your toons. Players like you that were simply doing the bare minimum to get what you wanted now have to work harder. As it should be. Time to get rid of all these "participation" rewards. Pretty sure you do not get loot off of PvE bosses if you fail to defeat them. PvP should be no different.

[Adramelch]

It would take you slightly more than a month if you won 1 bg per day per alt. To achieve something that's not time-sensitive.

[fled]

Well the problem with offering these for free (losing) when the items cost what, between 1 and 5, it would be open season for bots. At least this way bots stand a much smaller chance at successfully farming these things.

Hey man I am for a price hike + reduced marks for a loss. That way, the time spend in the BG still feels like progress (minimal though it may be) vs. a roll of the dice as is now. Now its not even a grind, its a 50% chance. If you quadrupled the price, but awarded 1 mark for a loss, you could still grind it out.

[Deleted]

Honestly, yes. There were plenty of people who lost Bgs purposely or just spammed chat saying *lose already...* because they still got honor either way. If they spammed 5 BGs and lost really fast on purpose you could get 5 marks through doing that before someone actually won a BG. Im not saying its highly likely, Im just saying that there are people who would ruin the experience for others. Its already happened with honor being earnable through winning and losing.

If people do that excessively, it should have consequences like 3-day-bans. Not when it's e.g. 100:1300 in Arathi and people give up, but when they do it directly in the beginning.

@ topic: The main problem when collecting transmog stuff in my opinion is, that the gear is too costly compared to it before the system change. Some items, which could easily be bought with half or even less the honor you made in a bg, now cost one mark. And due to limited amounts of bank space, most players don't have access to most of the gear, because they couldn't just keep it over all those seasons.
Though I don't see it as a big problem now in the prepatch concerning useful gear. It's a week till the patch, and the invasions already give so much gear so fast to get even your worst twinks to a state, where leveling will be smooth in the beginning.

[La]

Well the problem with offering these for free (losing) when the items cost what, between 1 and 5, it would be open season for bots. At least this way bots stand a much smaller chance at successfully farming these things.

I don't see how it would decrease the amount of bots? Decreasing their chances of winning might be what some people consider a victory, but it won't change the fact that there will still be plenty of bots. But, I guess them winning less really helps in the end.

If the gear was relevant and you got, say, 500 for a win and 0 honor for a loss, then that'd be a problem. That's the same as playing Overwatch and giving the losing team zero experience, because their time and their efforts mean nothing because, hey, you lost and you might of had a bot on your team.

[fled]

Marks are account bound, so they can be farmed by any of your toons. Players like you that were simply doing the bare minimum to get what you wanted now have to work harder. As it should be. Time to get rid of all these "participation" rewards. Pretty sure you do not get loot off of PvE bosses if you fail to defeat them. PvP should be no different.

While I agree with you in principal, remember we are talking about outdated pixels (PVP transmog) vs. character enhancing items (current content PVE boss loot). You could argue, well there is no guarantee of getting legacy boss loot either, and you would be completely right, and I'd have to go away and think about that.

[Gorgodeus]

While I agree with you in principal, remember we are talking about outdated pixels (PVP transmog) vs. character enhancing items (current content PVE boss loot). You could argue, well there is no guarantee of getting legacy boss loot either, and you would be completely right, and I'd have to go away and think about that.

The point is, not everyone does PvP for xmog. They do it to win, and to get more Honor to level up their Honor Talents, and to get Artifact Power. Why should those of us putting forth the maximum effort have to deal with more bots, afkers, and players that are just there for a free ride because win or lose, they get rewarded?

[Putin-Chan]

Just spam WSG on a level 10 feral druid, they're BOA, unless the ability level ups were severely reshuffled, you have the only permanent speed boost, and you have a metric fuckton of heals at that level.

Also, can you go a sentence without saying "cancer?"

[RedNight at MMOC]

If you do not like the PvP system, then do not PvP - no one is forcing you to play it.

[Ramahan]

It also discourages playing.

Not even close! It only discourages Welfare Children, like the OP, who want to get everything without participating. The OP and those like him just want to log in a character, once in a while move that character, and then fap to porn while they AFK earn him gear.
To bad Blizz got smart and set it up so that if you don't help your team win you don't get nothin!

[Tinykong]

so you want even more people going /afk in BG's??

Do you earn Prestige levels, loot boxes and other rewards for afking and losing?

The Marks of Honor are for irrelevant gear.

[munkeyinorbit]

You should just get a token for completing a BG, not winning it. It's old gear no one gives a shit about.

So what op and this guy are saying is that you don't need to earn gear anymore. It is acceptable to just afk it out and expect to be given the gear. THIS is what ruined wow.

[Ghaleon]

Maybe i misread, but is the OP seriously complaining about having to PVP to get PVP rewards?

[DarthMonk79]

Ahhh... so you power leveled a character thru invasions and now have to do something to get transmog gear. You poor baby, you have to work for something in the game. What's retarded is that you think everything should be handed to you on a silver platter. EFFORT = REWARD

[Deleted]

So what op and this guy are saying is that you don't need to earn gear anymore. It is acceptable to just afk it out and expect to be given the gear. THIS is what ruined wow.

i really don't get the logic behind this.

something that took an afternoon to do now takes much much longer to do, and for wanting a middle ground between the two, aka still more work then before, you say "you want welfare". seems legit.

and then you claim its about gear when it's about cosmetics only.

[Typhoria]

You know, if blizz did something like Kael dropping "Feather of Al'ar" *Combine 100 feathers to create Ashes of Al'ar* or something to that nature people would rejoice. Same concept as having to pvp to get old transmogs, both are tedious but at least you can see results when you get a mark.

[vilememory]

You know, if blizz did something like Kael dropping "Feather of Al'ar" *Combine 100 feathers to create Ashes of Al'ar* or something to that nature people would rejoice. Same concept as having to pvp to get old transmogs, both are tedious but at least you can see results when you get a mark.

Drop rate for Feather of Al'ar is the same for the actual mount. Now get it to drop a 100 times!

[CapybaraSlayer]

Man, fuck Blizzard for creating some sort of reward for completing BGs. We should get everything for free.

[PunisherV20]

Well OP instead of insulting you like just about everyone else, I'll offer some advice. 1) don't ever make any sort of complaint thread on these forums. 2) don't enter random BGs solo. Obviously going in with 5 ppl, including yourself, doesn't guarantee a win but it does help a bit.

Now for your post at hand, I agree with you but you can't get marks in a loss as that would make BGs worse off. What I don't like about the marks system is if my team ends up without heals or if I'm stuck with a bunch of middle/road fighting mouthbreathers that's time wasted.