Fire mage is too easy?

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Blizzard talked about how they wanted to go back to classes having strengths and weaknesses but fire mages does not have any weakness. There is little point in bringing other casters and thats a bit odd.
When everyone else lost the ability to handle every situation, fire mage got more tools.

This goes against Blizzards own design philosophy. So yes, they should have their damage lower than most other specs to compensate for this.

Depends, classes who have a healing spec have a a lot of extra utility abilities in their dps specs.

Fire is also the least durable of the 3 specs with it's icebarrier being weaker and having no kiting tools. But frost will not be an effective kiter either.
But if all other utility is equal than it should be fire is good on all Archetypes but other specs are great in a few archetypes.
For pvp fire doesnt need a nerf

I do like that mages finally have a spec that is mostly fun and convenience orientated rather than obstacle. The only thing is RoP which is quite a unique and harsh obstacle. But its fune because of how well it coincides with fire cd's. If RoP ever gets nerfed below 40% i will hate it though, even if its mathematicly still good.

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Firemage are terrible in my opinion! :O

[Aggrophobic]

Depends, classes who have a healing spec have a a lot of extra utility abilities in their dps specs.

Fire is also the least durable of the 3 specs with it's icebarrier being weaker and having no kiting tools. But frost will not be an effective kiter either.
But if all other utility is equal than it should be fire is good on all Archetypes but other specs are great in a few archetypes.
For pvp fire doesnt need a nerf

I do like that mages finally have a spec that is mostly fun and convenience orientated rather than obstacle. The only thing is RoP which is quite a unique and harsh obstacle. But its fune because of how well it coincides with fire cd's. If RoP ever gets nerfed below 40% i will hate it though, even if its mathematicly still good.

What "hybrid" has more utility?
Fire has a "heal for 15%" every 15 sec, ice block, a shield and can even get a "cheat death" ability of they feel like it.
While other mage specs might have more, no other caster comes even close to that survivability without sacrificing huge amounts of DPS. The fire mage does not even have to lose a single point of DPS while using all these.

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What "hybrid" has more utility?
Fire has a "heal for 15%" every 15 sec, ice block, a shield and can even get a "cheat death" ability of they feel like it.
While other mage specs might have more, no other caster comes even close to that survivability without sacrificing huge amounts of DPS. The fire mage does not even have to lose a single point of DPS while using all these.

oh wait boomkin druid can heal to full in 3 sec? ele shammy can heal too etc and u have problem with heal-blink and ice block heal ? and yes nerf cauterize, its too op talent!

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The fire mage does not even have to lose a single point of DPS while using all these.

They introduced casting during Ice block?

Ot: Yes, it's too god damn simple, which is why I went back to UH, not as much dps but at least I use more than 4 buttons now.

[Aggrophobic]

oh wait boomkin druid can heal to full in 3 sec? ele shammy can heal too etc and u have problem with heal-blink and ice block heal ? and yes nerf cauterize, its too op talent!

You stop and toss a heal in a fight and you're at the bottom of the DPS charts. It's never ever worth it.

It might be usefull in PvP, for a druid but to even mention elemental in a discussion about PvP is ridiculous.

[LordAmbrosia]

ice block, a shield..... The fire mage does not even have to lose a single point of DPS while using all these.

You stop and toss a heal in a fight and you're at the bottom of the DPS charts. It's never ever worth it.

Please stop and think about what you wrote for a moment.

[tithian]

People reroll all the time to w.e class they believe is the FOTM. Its funnier when they go from one to another and back tho.

For most warlock rerolls in Legion this is not the case. People will generally want to play something close (mechanically) to their old main, and it's either mage, shadowpriest or maybe hunter. In our case we just want to escape the disaster that warlock has become, FOTM has absolutely nothing to do with it, especially for people maining lock for 7-10 years.

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Please stop and think about what you wrote for a moment.

just stop feeding the troll, it should be quite clear by now that he is talking out his a**.

[Lebanese Dude]

What "hybrid" has more utility?
Fire has a "heal for 15%" every 15 sec, ice block, a shield and can even get a "cheat death" ability of they feel like it.
While other mage specs might have more, no other caster comes even close to that survivability without sacrificing huge amounts of DPS. The fire mage does not even have to lose a single point of DPS while using all these.

The heal is contingent on using Blink, which is necessary for maintaining DPS during certain mechanics. You aren't blinking to heal. You blink to escape mechanics.

[Aggrophobic]

The heal is contingent on using Blink, which is necessary for maintaining DPS during certain mechanics. You aren't blinking to heal. You blink to escape mechanics.

You don't need to blink to escape mechanic for the most part. If you did, warlocks would be unable to raid at all. You can use that blink to heal. It's on a 15 sec CD after all.

[Lebanese Dude]

You don't need to blink to escape mechanic for the most part. If you did, warlocks would be unable to raid at all. You can use that blink to heal. It's on a 15 sec CD after all.

You don't, but warlocks have their own set of mechanics to compensate.

Also your argument was about not sacrificing DPS. Blinking to heal is a choice between potentially healing yourself now or avoiding a mechanic later to continue DPS.

[Arthael]

You don't need to blink to escape mechanic for the most part. If you did, warlocks would be unable to raid at all. You can use that blink to heal. It's on a 15 sec CD after all.

well I hope he meant: escape faster*, in that you get to the position you need to be in faster, so you can stand and do your thing.

[Aggrophobic]

You don't, but warlocks have their own set of mechanics to compensate.

Also your argument was about not sacrificing DPS. Blinking to heal is a choice between potentially healing yourself now or avoiding a mechanic later to continue DPS.

You have 2 blinks, 15 CD and you can use them while casting. Not been in a single fight in beta where I need both of them up just to get away and survive. PvE is, as it's always been, very predictable. If you know the fight, you can use blink as a heal, no problem.

If we take a shaman then, they have one slow jump that's also a silence on themsleves while jumping and much worse defensive CD's, no shields, no way of making themselves immune to damage, no way of healing themselves while not sacrificing and even then, their heal is really weak, much worse singe and AOE damage, no way to do damag on the move. The only thing they get that the mage does not get is a totem that lets you run faster but they then lose their only personal movement ability so... yeah.

It's not even a competition. A mage does everything the shaman does but way better. Warlock is in the same boat.

The only other caster thats worth taking is priest and thats just becasue it's execute.

I get that many here play mage and don't want to see it nerfed but really, the fire mage is so ridiculously much better than anything else it's not even funny.

[fearer]

You have 2 blinks, 15 CD and you can use them while casting. Not been in a single fight in beta where I need both of them up just to get away and survive. PvE is, as it's always been, very predictable. If you know the fight, you can use blink as a heal, no problem.

If we take a shaman then, they have one slow jump that's also a silence on themsleves while jumping and much worse defensive CD's, no shields, no way of making themselves immune to damage, no way of healing themselves while not sacrificing and even then, their heal is really weak, much worse singe and AOE damage, no way to do damag on the move. The only thing they get that the mage does not get is a totem that lets you run faster but they then lose their only personal movement ability so... yeah.

It's not even a competition. A mage does everything the shaman does but way better. Warlock is in the same boat.

The only other caster thats worth taking is priest and thats just becasue it's execute.

I get that many here play mage and don't want to see it nerfed but really, the fire mage is so ridiculously much better than anything else it's not even funny.

as people said the problem is not fire mage - the problem is about the other classes becoming so simplistic and boring with not tools at all. Dps tuning is another topic and will probably be balanced the way blizz likes it.

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yep way too strong.
even lesser player can perform well as fire mage.

[fearer]

yep way too strong.
even lesser player can perform well as fire mage.

they do with every class right now. its a design choice blizzard did and not a fire mage rework.

[Aggrophobic]

as people said the problem is not fire mage - the problem is about the other classes becoming so simplistic and boring with not tools at all. Dps tuning is another topic and will probably be balanced the way blizz likes it.

Well, again. Blizzards idea behind the class chnages in Legion was that every class should have strengths and weaknesses. Fire has no weaknesses at all.
If Blizzards vission is fun or not is subjective, fire being better than everything else is not.

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they do with every class right now. its a design choice blizzard did and not a fire mage rework.

yes true, but some specs like affliction will punish lesser players harder. It is still easier, because EVERYTHING got streamlined, but being a good fire mage is like a guarantee as soon as you create the character.

I doubt we will see any bad fire mages with LEGION because you can facerofl the keyboard and still outdamage good players.

( no offense to players who are actually good and play fire mage )

[Ifeanychukwu]

Fire Mage needs nerfing because it's bad design to have one class/spec that is easy to play and outstanding at everything which other players with different classes have to compete against

Blizz talked up having different strengths and weaknesses for different classes, presumably to make it more interesting to build raid teams and to make sure that all classes had a place to shine and be needed

At the moment fire mage has no weakness, it is simply a top performer at everything

Fire mage doesn;t just "play well" (translation, it's piss easy to play) it rewards it's simplicity massively, whereas others classes are harder work to get right and even then don;t reward so much

And the sad thing is I suspect it's all going to go live.

To add to that, if you watched the developer interviews that were done recently the FATBOSS guys and Slootbat himself repeated over and over and over again that mages are going to be THE go to caster DPS in most cases unless you're playing at sub mythic difficulties. Fire is fun and all but I don't think that it should be so good that you're less likely to bring other classes just because they're not as good as a fire mage.